How about a DB750 ... that will warm it up pretty fair I'd imagine....
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Markbass F1 First Impressions
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How about a DB750 ... that will warm it up pretty fair I'd imagine....
Ok.. I'm leaving.
Chef
In Memoriam
I'd say the WW has just a hint of elderberry in the finish, compared to the LMII, which is just a little more chocolatey.
I had too. It's "make fun of Ken Day."
Mark it on your calendar for next year.
I had too. It's "make fun of Ken Day."
Mark it on your calendar for next year.
I deserve every bit of it
. I'm in an A/B comparison frenzy today, and am starting to hear the difference between power cables, my 12 versus 15 foot instrument cables, and whether the cat is in the basement or not
I am trying to avoid high end cables.
I really don't want to notice such a difference I start buying $150 instrument cables!
Chef
In Memoriam
You can use persians instead of acousti-foam squares, in a pinch.
and whether the cat is in the basement or not
- Apr 3, 2003
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- Editor-in-Chief, Bass Gear Magazine
That's odd. I thought every day was 'make fun of Ken day.'
I must admit, I'm a pretty easy target when I get into 'gear mode'.
Speaking of that, I'm funkin' the Celinder through the HT210s/F1 rig 'as I type', and it is just too cool sounding
I finally gigged the F1 tonight (a few tunes only) through two Ampeg SVT 2x10 cabs. No effects... just plugged my Sadowsky and Geddy Lee Jazz into the F1.
Wow. The sound is so damn good. Crisp, clear and loud. This is absolutely a head that can compete with most 20-40lb back breakers on a good sized gig.
I have only owned this amp since Saturday afternoon, so I am still playing around with the settings.
Other things I noticed...
- It is much more treble-y than my Ampeg
- I miss simple controls like Bass, Treble and Mid
- I am having problems understanding (on the fly) what changes to my sound will occur by adjusting VLE and VPF.
- I really think that the controls for low, mid low, high and mid high should ALWAYS be set flat or fairly close as they do not act like normal bass and treble controls.
Obviously my above items are due to me not RTFM (READING THE F****** Manual!) and being a 20 year Ampeg player.
This amp will be amazing once I figure it out but don't expect to buy one and gig an hour later. Time needs to be spent understanding the capabilities and limitations of the F1.
The size and weight are mind boggling to guitards which is funny. The F1 was passed around as a converstion piece for a few minutes before we started playing.
Wow. The sound is so damn good. Crisp, clear and loud. This is absolutely a head that can compete with most 20-40lb back breakers on a good sized gig.
I have only owned this amp since Saturday afternoon, so I am still playing around with the settings.
Other things I noticed...
- It is much more treble-y than my Ampeg
- I miss simple controls like Bass, Treble and Mid
- I am having problems understanding (on the fly) what changes to my sound will occur by adjusting VLE and VPF.
- I really think that the controls for low, mid low, high and mid high should ALWAYS be set flat or fairly close as they do not act like normal bass and treble controls.
Obviously my above items are due to me not RTFM (READING THE F****** Manual!) and being a 20 year Ampeg player.
This amp will be amazing once I figure it out but don't expect to buy one and gig an hour later. Time needs to be spent understanding the capabilities and limitations of the F1.
The size and weight are mind boggling to guitards which is funny.
The F1 was passed around as a converstion piece for a few minutes before we started playing.
I think you have alluded to this before, but I don't understand how having two mid controls vs. one mid makes it that much more dificult to the point you are missing the 3 bad eq. The Pre on the F1 and LMII is pretty straight forward.
As far as the filters go, The VLE is basically a treble rolloff, like a tweeter attenuator or a tone control on a Fender. The VPF basically cuts out the mids and and raises the treble and bass to give you a midscooped sound.
Chef
In Memoriam
I am missing the standard bass and treble controls. Not the the mid controls as much.
On an Ampeg, if the treble/tone is set to "0", you get almost no top end. Conversely, if you roll the bass off to "0" you get almost no bottom end.
An Ampeg reminds me of the controls on a Fender Jazz. Bass/treble can be adjusted simply and on the fly.
Don't get me wrong... I love the amp but as someone new to Markbass products, the controls are completely foreign to me.
BTW... I will be replacing my Ampeg with the F1 for gigs as I thought it sounded that good. I just need to play around with it for a while.
It isn't a simple and helpful explanation if you have been used to having bass and treble controls only for over 20 years (and maybe a 3 band EQ).
That is my point. I know that it will make total sense to me after a few hours of fiddling around with the settings, but right out of the box, the F1 can be challenging to optimize.
Originally Posted by Smallequestrian
As far as the filters go, The VLE is basically a treble rolloff, like a tweeter attenuator or a tone control on a Fender. The VPF basically cuts out the mids and and raises the treble and bass to give you a midscooped sound.
That is my point. I know that it will make total sense to me after a few hours of fiddling around with the settings, but right out of the box, the F1 can be challenging to optimize.
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Originally Posted by Smallequestrian
As far as the filters go, The VLE is basically a treble rolloff, like a tweeter attenuator or a tone control on a Fender. The VPF basically cuts out the mids and and raises the treble and bass to give you a midscooped sound.
There are no bass and treble controls on the F1 per se.
Low, high, mid low and mid high do not act like standard bass and treble controls IMO. It seems that this amp was designed to be run flat or with very small variations.
The VLE is hard to get used to out of the gate as it seems to reduce highs and boost mids (low only?) as you turn it up.
The VLF definately scoops the mids and should be a great asset for slapping.
Again.....not nitpicking, but normally when I need more bass, I turn up the bass and when I need less treble, I turn down the treble.
I LOVE THIS THING but need to get used to the controls.
BTW... the manual doesn't help. No recommended settings and very vague descriptions of what the controls really can do.
Replace the words low and high with bass and treble and it should behave the same. Need more bass, crank the lows up, etc...
When getting to know this amp or any other amp to start with all your controls flat. (i.e. 4 band eq at 12 o'clock and the filters all the way to the left.)
Then adjust each eq band one at a time so that you can properly understand what each control is going to give you.
Once you find a sound you like then you can start messing with the filters.
I think they really did design this amp to sound best while flat (I think most amp makers do). With that being said, you can leave the EQ flat and mess only with the filters, just remember, a little goes a long way on the filters. Many people find the VLE past 11 o'clock to be way too much.
You guys are making me want one.
What, exactly, tends to be the problem with the DI (I use DI a lot at home)?
What, exactly, tends to be the problem with the DI (I use DI a lot at home)?
I forgot to mention that I DI-ed to a mixing board tonight directly pumping a powered 800W sub and the sound was a little distorted (through the sub, the sound through the 2 2x10 Ampegs sounded great. Nothing that likely can't be fixed but DI-ing out of a SansAmp was less messy.
Again, nitpicking, but I work with some really stupid soundmen.
My posts are just pointing out shortcomings IMO and my dislikes/likes. If anyone wants simple reviews of the F1, here they are..... A+, *****, Excellent.
Couldn't agree more.
Low = bass
High = treble
Low Mid = Low Mid
High Mid = High Mid
It's that simple. Frequencies and levels are all in the manual.
I also agree that the best way to get familiar is to tweak each control separately while all other controls are set flat.
The preamp is really very straight forward, with the exception of the two filters which have been described very well in other posts. Each one is easy to understand, however there's almost endless possibilities combining the two together.
I don't think that they design the amp to be at its best set flat. I think they try (successfully) to get the most transparent sound when flat - that is, delivering your natural bass sound as pure as possible. The controls are there to compensate when different factors are involve - room size/band set up.. etc.
I don't think that they design the amp to be at its best set flat. I think they try (successfully) to get the most transparent sound when flat - that is, delivering your natural bass sound as pure as possible. The controls are there to compensate when different factors are involve - room size/band set up.. etc.[/QUOTE]
I use them to compensate when different factors involve - room size/band set up/band size/size of band members/who needs to "get a room"/how many are sharing a room/who has been setup/or stood up/or how long we wait outside the room while one of the bandmembers is getting "setup".
I use them to compensate when different factors involve - room size/band set up/band size/size of band members/who needs to "get a room"/how many are sharing a room/who has been setup/or stood up/or how long we wait outside the room while one of the bandmembers is getting "setup".
See?
This is how you quote.
It seems chadds you didn't get any last night, ah?
