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Megadeth or Metallica?

Which do you prefer

  • Megadeth

    Votes: 33 60.0%

  • Metallica

    Votes: 22 40.0%
  • Total voters
    55
#72
ggoat!!! said:
Oh c'mon. Lars Ulrich sucks nowadays and it's not just his lack of ability but his attitude that it is beneath him to actually practice...however, you can't deny his influence by his recorded work in the 80's, especially Justice.

His playing on that, to a LOT of people, was drastically different than what they were used to hearing. His fills and use of double bass in odd places was HIGHLY influential, and he was GOOD at it then. Were there "better" drummers? Absolutely. Were there faster? Crazier? Tastier? Sure. To all of those...but to state that Lar's RECORDINGS were the "worst" is being ignorant. His recordings back then were AMAZINGLY influential...if not for the playing alone, but also for his DRUM SOUND.
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A) Lars has a horrible snare.
B) Lars has crappy timing.
C) I can barely listen to Justice for two reasons: Lars and Jason. Lars because of A, B and the fact that every time I listen to the album I hear mistake after mistake (at least I hope they were mistakes), and Jason because of his non-existence.
D) Though people may have been after his kick tone, that doesn't make him an influential player, or anyone to list as an idol. He still sucks in the important areas, like timing. He's never really been "GOOD at it"; always very mediocre for a famous player.
E) I understand that you're a massive Metallica fan, as you've shown here quite clearly, but Lars still sucks. James is great, Cliff was amazing, Kirk is okay (not great), but Lars is just terrible. Mustaine is also great, Marty Friedman is ridiculously great, Ellefson is very good and Nick Menza is light years beyond Lars. This will always stand true.

Props to Metallica, however, in being as good as they were with a couple mediocre musicians. It takes skill to mask that and stay on top of the game to even real metalheads.
 
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#73
Definitely said:
A) Lars has a horrible snare.
B) Lars has crappy timing.
C) I can barely listen to Justice for two reasons: Lars and Jason. Lars because of A, B and the fact that every time I listen to the album I hear mistake after mistake (at least I hope they were mistakes), and Jason because of his non-existence.
D) Though people may have been after his kick tone, that doesn't make him an influential player, or anyone to list as an idol. He still sucks in the important areas, like timing. He's never really been "GOOD at it"; always very mediocre for a famous player.
E) I understand that you're a massive Metallica fan, as you've shown here quite clearly, but Lars still sucks. James is great, Cliff was amazing, Kirk is okay (not great), but Lars is just terrible. Mustaine is also great, Marty Friedman is ridiculously great, Ellefson is very good and Nick Menza is light years beyond Lars. This will always stand true.

Props to Metallica, however, in being as good as they were with a couple mediocre musicians. It takes skill to mask that and stay on top of the game to even real metalheads.
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No, you've missed the point. I'm absolutely NOT a "massive Metallica fan." I hate EVERYTHING after Justice, and get bored quickly with that album. I find Kill Em All is ridiculously juvenile and strangely un-heavy nowadays, and Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets are drenched in a bit too much reverb that it makes them difficult to listen to nowadays.

Yes, Lars' snare sound sucks nowadays and his overall sound is weak and deflated. Yes, his timing is always off...but it's not bad on Justice. Regarding Justice, I've heard the version with Jason turned up, and I can clearly see why they turned him DOWN. He is horribly sloppy and completely lacks nuance. His tone sounds like a weedeater ripping through a chain link fence. He destroyed the tight rhythm guitar on that album...so they turned him down. Good choice. VERY good choice.

Yes, Lars sucks now...Kirk plays like he has had multiple strokes and has 4 broken fingers. James is useless as a singer and a frontman nowadays; his rhythm guitar can still be OK. But watching them live now is like watching a car rust in Nebraska.

Again, you missed the entire point of my post...which was to point out that Lars, at the time of release back in the 80's, was HUGELY influential back then for the reasons I listed in my above post. And, while I HATE those clicking bass drums, at the time, EVERYONE wanted to have that sound. That's called being an INFLUENCE. I didn't say I was a huge Metallica fan, but I was around gigging in bands then, and there is NO DOUBT the little douche's influence on the scene then, before he totally went to poopie.

Pay attention next time, please.
 
#75
ggoat!!! said:
No, you've missed the point. I'm absolutely NOT a "massive Metallica fan." I hate EVERYTHING after Justice, and get bored quickly with that album. I find Kill Em All is ridiculously juvenile and strangely un-heavy nowadays, and Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets are drenched in a bit too much reverb that it makes them difficult to listen to nowadays.

Yes, Lars' snare sound sucks nowadays and his overall sound is weak and deflated. Yes, his timing is always off...but it's not bad on Justice. Regarding Justice, I've heard the version with Jason turned up, and I can clearly see why they turned him DOWN. He is horribly sloppy and completely lacks nuance. His tone sounds like a weedeater ripping through a chain link fence. He destroyed the tight rhythm guitar on that album...so they turned him down. Good choice. VERY good choice.

Yes, Lars sucks now...Kirk plays like he has had multiple strokes and has 4 broken fingers. James is useless as a singer and a frontman nowadays; his rhythm guitar can still be OK. But watching them live now is like watching a car rust in Nebraska.

Again, you missed the entire point of my post...which was to point out that Lars, at the time of release back in the 80's, was HUGELY influential back then for the reasons I listed in my above post. And, while I HATE those clicking bass drums, at the time, EVERYONE wanted to have that sound. That's called being an INFLUENCE. I didn't say I was a huge Metallica fan, but I was around gigging in bands then, and there is NO DOUBT the little douche's influence on the scene then, before he totally went to ****.

Pay attention next time, please.
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You've done nothing but vouch for Metallica against anyone's ill sayings about them, hence why you came across as a bit of an eager fanboy. I apologize.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that Kirk plays that badly, or that I hated the clicking bass drums. I personally don't mind them, and Kirk's a good guitarist, just sloppier than some and I don't like his style much on solos. James's voice has taken a hit, but all the great older singers do.

As for ...And Jason For All, I thought it was great. The playing wasn't sloppy, IMO, and I loved the mid-heavy tone (reminds me of Over Kill). It's not for everyone, but I personally wish the original had preserved it. Someone admitted in an interview that they turned it down as a band initiation, I don't remember whether it was James or Lars.

I apologize for apparently missing your point on Lars's influence, although I believe I did talk about his sound and timing being nothing influential in response to your argument that his tone and new approach had a huge influence.
 
#76
I try not to post negative stuff on peoples' threads, so take this with a grain of salt.

I just want to point out that I have always despised both of these bands, and believe me, a lot of people assume because I am a rocker, if they play enough really loud songs by one or the other, I will just love it.

Not one note by either band sounds good to my ears.

And that's all I will ever say.

Sorry.
 
#78
Well, obviously, there's no completely objective answer. It's pretty tough to dispute that Metallica is by far the bigger, more popular, and more influential band. They're about 3/4 of the Big Four when it comes to what most of the world knows or thinks, and how the genre has been defined for the masses. And I think it's also safe to say they have more of what most consider to be classic, defining albums.

But which is better? There's no answer to that. Which do you like more? Everyone has their own answer.

My take is that, between the two bands, Megadeth has the single best song ("Peace Sells") and the single best bass riff (same song). It succeeds as thrash while also being accessible, it makes some pointed observations about real life, and it somehow fuses the energy of both thrash and punk.

Beyond that, both bands have their ups and downs, but Metallica has been more significant to me personally, and have put together several masterful albums that are pretty much genre-defining from start to finish.

So if I had to take only one song from both of them to a desert island, it would be "Peace Sells". If I had to take an album or three, it would be 'Garage Inc.', 'Ride the Lightning', and 'Master of Puppets' before anything from Megadeth.
 
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