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Mesa/Boogie Official Club Thread

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#921
old rig - 400+/2x15/2x10
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current - M2000/1x15/2x10
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as far as a main rig - once I went boogie, I never went back.

I am experimenting w/a JCM 800 Bass series head/cab right now tho.

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#923
gillento said:
Hi you all,

I just joined the Mesa gang. After playing for more than 20 years, I just got my first Mesa.
I sold my Ampeg V4BH to get a Fathom from fellow tber 'jetofuj' on recommendation of Tom Bowlus.

After a first short twiddling session I am very pleased with this amp.
I am sure it will pass the band/live mix test.

It will drive 2-3 Aguilar GS112s.
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Well, here its is:

I had Eminence DeltaLites 2512 Series II in two of the Aggies.
Now I am back to 2 original speakers and one Delta.
It just sounds better that way with the Fathom.
I was kind of surprised, as both the amp and the GS112 are known to be a bit midshy.
But I like it better that way, whereas normally I am all about low mids.

(sorry for the phine pic!)
 
#924
OK, back from first band rehearsal with the Fathom + 2x GS112 (OEM speakers).

As I anticipated, this combination does not work for me at all!!!
mid shy amp + mid shy cabs =
Rather a classic situation: what sounds great on their own gets buried in the mix.

Next week I'll be trying one of the cabs with the DeltaLite speaker and as an alternative a friend's db112.

I really want to keeep this amp as it weighs only half a db751...
 
#925
gillento said:
OK, back from first band rehearsal with the Fathom + 2x GS112 (OEM speakers).

As I anticipated, this combination does not work for me at all!!!
mid shy amp + mid shy cabs =
Rather a classic situation: what sounds great on their own gets buried in the mix.

Next week I'll be trying one of the cabs with the DeltaLite speaker and as an alternative a friend's db112.

I really want to keeep this amp as it weighs only half a db751...
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Yeah, I got rid of my GS112's for that very reason a while back.

Interestingly however, I've recently used my Fathom/M6 with a somewhat scooped speaker set and it was my first opportunity to use one of the voicing settings. I'd be VERY interested to hear your opinion of the Fathom/M6 with the GS112's using Voicing #4 (narrow mid boost). I did that with the somewhat scooped set recently and it came alive in a big way.
 
#926
Vic said:
Yeah, I got rid of my GS112's for that very reason a while back.

Interestingly however, I've recently used my Fathom/M6 with a somewhat scooped speaker set and it was my first opportunity to use one of the voicing settings. I'd be VERY interested to hear your opinion of the Fathom/M6 with the GS112's using Voicing #4 (narrow mid boost). I did that with the somewhat scooped set recently and it came alive in a big way.
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I tried both mid boost voicings (#4 & #5), even with the mid pot cranked to 3 o'clock. Lows and highs were a bit cut.
The bass I used was my Sadowsky PJ with a slight bass boost, using alternatively 75% P or "typical Jaco J" PU.

Even these settings sounded more or less mid scooped.

What speaker did you use?
 
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I gotta agree with Vic here. I used to own a pair of GS112s and definetly mid shy, modern scooped sound. Don't own them anymore. To my ear the M6 is not mid shy though. I believe bassgear did a test on this with all the filter selections so you can see how it looks on the scope. I have used my M6 with my EPI UL 410 several times and I would say it is more scooped then flat and have used setting 3 with great success, but when I need the extra punch I take it to 4. I would guess with the extra booty of the GS112s and the full low end on the M6 that you should follow Vics suggestion of using #4 and I would go so fars as to dail the bass down to about 10 and see if that doesn't help. Don't give up yet.
 
#928
gillento said:
I tried both mid boost voicings (#4 & #5), even with the mid pot cranked to 3 o'clock. Lows and highs were a bit cut.
The bass I used was my Sadowsky PJ with a slight bass boost, using alternatively 75% P or "typical Jaco J" PU.

Even these settings sounded more or less mid scooped.
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WOW!!!

Dang, I remember the GS's being scooped, but that's significant as heck. Definitely post up with the DB's. From what I've heard (no personal experience) that should match up much better.
 
#929
Saluki said:
... I would guess with the extra booty of the GS112s and the full low end on the M6 that you should follow Vics suggestion of using #4 and I would go so fars as to dail the bass down to about 10 and see if that doesn't help. Don't give up yet.
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I won't !!!
I'll try to further cut the lows, and boost the mids even more.

I will be experimenting with a db112 and a DeltaLite loaded GS next week.
 
#931
Vic said:
I'm guessing changing the driver in the GS won't really make a huge difference, but I am interested to hear what your results are.
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Well, using a DeltaLite 2512 II definitely gives a more balanced sound. I really like these drivers in the GS.
My MB SA450/2xGS112 (DeltaLites) sounds great (but can't do 2 ohms).

I guess I have to re-convert one additional GS back to Deltas.

I'll report back in a week.
 
#932
Not getting any hits on the thread I started, so i'll try here.
Have any of you compared the PH cabs, mainly the 215, to the Berg NV cabs?
I have a Berg NV425 paired with my Titan V12, but am wondering if a switch to the Mesa PH215 would be worthwhile.
Thanks for any input.
 
#934
rayzak said:
Not getting any hits on the thread I started, so i'll try here.
Have any of you compared the PH cabs, mainly the 215, to the Berg NV cabs?
I have a Berg NV425 paired with my Titan V12, but am wondering if a switch to the Mesa PH215 would be worthwhile.
Thanks for any input.
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I can't directly answer your question, but I do know those NV cabs are awesome, and if they're giving you the tone you want, stick with it. GAS is a terrible thing, it makes us always want something else. But if you got something that works, don't try to fix it.
 
#936
B.C. said:
Ok, I've been wondering about these, how is it?
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It just did its first gig last night. I'm very impressed. I'm not very good at describing tone, but it was very quick and responsive. Gain was set a bit past noon, maybe 12:30. Bass, mid & treble all at noon. Graphic EQ bypassed. No compression. Voice filter on 4 (midrange boost centered at 370Hz).

Those settings gave me a very tight low end, obviously a midrange hump, and very smooth highs. We played in a mid-sized club, and I never had the volume past 9 o'clock. I'm up against 3 very loud, distorted guitars, a hard hitting drummer, two vocalists, and keyboards. A rather dense mix. This amp seems freakishly loud for its power rating. I liked what I heard so much, I don't know if I'll ever engage the graphic EQ. It was that good.

Keep in mind this was its first gig, and I'm still in the honeymoon phase. :) But again, I'm really impressed with what I heard and felt. My tone was fantastic, and the notes were hitting with a great deal of authority. I don't think I've ever had it so easy finding the tone I was looking for.
 
#939
Horny Toad said:
It just did its first gig last night. I'm very impressed. I'm not very good at describing tone, but it was very quick and responsive. Gain was set a bit past noon, maybe 12:30. Bass, mid & treble all at noon. Graphic EQ bypassed. No compression. Voice filter on 4 (midrange boost centered at 370Hz).

Those settings gave me a very tight low end, obviously a midrange hump, and very smooth highs. We played in a mid-sized club, and I never had the volume past 9 o'clock. I'm up against 3 very loud, distorted guitars, a hard hitting drummer, two vocalists, and keyboards. A rather dense mix. This amp seems freakishly loud for its power rating. I liked what I heard so much, I don't know if I'll ever engage the graphic EQ. It was that good.

Keep in mind this was its first gig, and I'm still in the honeymoon phase. :) But again, I'm really impressed with what I heard and felt. My tone was fantastic, and the notes were hitting with a great deal of authority. I don't think I've ever had it so easy finding the tone I was looking for.
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Sounds like my experience with (Vic's) Fathom/M6.

Its hard to say which one I want. I am not a compressor user, but the graphic eq might be nice...

Decisions.... :)
 
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