Mesa Boogie TT800 hum

[N4860]

The point was that negative feedback is 95% of feedback. Don't be so defensive.

I wasn't trying to be defensive, I was just honestly curious about your comment. I get what you're trying to say, but really, I think that you're wrong about the feedback being 95% negative. There is so much love for the SW amps on this forum. Sure, if you only read the threads where someone is posting about a problem, it will probably be negatively skewed. However, there are a ton of threads NAD threads where people post plenty of positive feedback, not to mention the specific club threads.

 

[dbase]

So, I was right after all. it wasn't the caps

 

[N4860]

IME you can't argue with that...very few people take time to stop to say thanks or offer a word of encouragement, but most can always somehow make the time to whine on endlessly. Not an accusation, just an observation from my own life experiences.

You're right, I just looked it up and 95% of the posts about the Mesa Subway series are indeed all negative experiences. I could have sworn that I saw some people post about liking those amps.

 

[Doufuss]

Used mesa subway series heads have a reputation of having issues and/or dying out like that.

Customer service is your best bet unfortunately.

Best of luck!

Can you cite any reports or even any anecdotal evidence of your assertion? If you can't, you should post a retraction.

 

[DJ Bebop]

So, I was right after all. it wasn't the caps

Sometimes changing out old caps help

 

[agedhorse]

You're right, I just looked it up and 95% of the posts about the Mesa Subway series are indeed all negative experiences. I could have sworn that I saw some people post about liking those amps.

The point being made is that it’s common somebody will post something negative all over the place with tremendous passion and when folks read it they assume that it’s a “common” problem based on the way it’s presented when in fact it’s really a rare occurrence (especially with the number of amps out there).

 

[N4860]

The point being made is that it’s common somebody will post something negative all over the place with tremendous passion and when folks read it they assume that it’s a “common” problem based on the way it’s presented when in fact it’s really a rare occurrence (especially with the number of amps out there).

I know, I understand the point. I conceded that 95% of the feedback is negative.

 

[Jazzdogg]

The most common causes of current (and this voltage drop) on the grounding conductor is reversing the ground and neutral on a receptacle, installing a jumper on an ungrounded branch circuit from the neutral to ground and illegal bonding of neutral to ground on a sub panel.

I've seen these electrical problems often enough in clubs that I know it's true!

 

[g-dude]

Ahh... this.

@agedhorse I got a call back from MB and arranged a repair ticket. Then I saw the suggestion from @g-dude - I just tried a new plug-in on a different wall, and bingo, hum gone.

The only reason I even thought to suggest this is personal experience from my guitar days where sometimes the power was so noisy, I had to buy a noise clamp pedal (forget the official name, but it basically only allows signal through if it is louder than the floor you set).

 

[g-dude]

Nor have I, and I have actual data!

The most common problem we see on Subway amps is when they get dropped. That’s obviously not the fault of the amp, BUT some players think so.

You mean that’s not what is meant by “drop the bass”?

 

[DJ Bebop]

The point being made is that it’s common somebody will post something negative all over the place with tremendous passion and when folks read it they assume that it’s a “common” problem based on the way it’s presented when in fact it’s really a rare occurrence (especially with the number of amps out there).

For instance, if one posted that they had an old used amp they tried to get repaired and the Customer Service doesn't help them. That can be negative, specialty if not all the info is there. Is the amp still in production? If not is there support parts to even make a repair? For example, there's a guy around here the still supports Genz Benz equipment, I don't remember who But some equipment out of production can't always be supported. It can be a shame but is it a fault? If something has a bad design flaw should it be supported to the point of continuing to be made? I don't know.

 

[Slevage]

The most common causes of current (and this voltage drop) on the grounding conductor is reversing the ground and neutral on a receptacle, installing a jumper on an ungrounded branch circuit from the neutral to ground and illegal bonding of neutral to ground on a sub panel.

Illegal doesn’t mean much to the home owner or handy man doing non-permitted work.

 

[DJ Bebop]

Just living in reality, other amp manufacturers don't have the same issues as Mesa does and they don't charge a premium.

I understand Mesa has a bottom line but it is just wrong to sell a defective product.

What is the "ISSUES" you keep saying Mesa has?

 

[N4860]

For instance, if one posted that they had an old used amp they tried to get repaired and the Customer Service doesn't help them. That can be negative, specialty if not all the info is there. Is the amp still in production? If not is there support parts to even make a repair? For example, there's a guy around here the still supports Genz Benz equipment, I don't remember who But some equipment out of production can't always be supported. It can be a shame but is it a fault? If something has a bad design flaw should it be supported to the point of continuing to be made? I don't know.

I mentioned I had a bad experience but I didn't go into details, but if anyone wanted me to, I would be happy to share. This also has nothing to do with an amp being out of production or if it is still supported. When I had my amp repaired, it was still in production and being serviced.

I also said I am still interested in the brand because I have enjoyed the equipment otherwise, especially my cab, so I'm not sure my comment can be categorized as 95% negative and only 5% positive. The repair mistakes are in the past so I'm not dwelling on it anymore as long as I can be reasonably sure that the future gear has been remedied of these issues, and from what agedhorse has said, it appears these are no longer issues. I've read plenty of threads here now about the subway series and they generally have great reviews which is why they are on my radar for a new amp so I was somewhat surprised when it was suggested that the threads I have been reading are overwhelmingly negative feedback.

 

[DJ Bebop]

I mentioned I had a bad experience but I didn't go into details, but if anyone wanted me to, I would be happy to share. This also has nothing to do with an amp being out of production or if it is still supported. When I had my amp repaired, it was still in production and being serviced.

I also said I am still interested in the brand because I have enjoyed the equipment otherwise, especially my cab, so I'm not sure my comment can be categorized as 95% negative and only 5% positive. The repair mistakes are in the past so I'm not dwelling on it anymore as long as I can be reasonably sure that the future gear has been remedied of these issues, and from what agedhorse has said, it appears these are no longer issues. I've read plenty of threads here now about the subway series and they generally have great reviews which is why they are on my radar for a new amp so I was somewhat surprised when it was suggested that the threads I have been reading are overwhelmingly negative feedback.

I may not have been directing this at you but so be it
Now that you brought it up, did your amp get repaired?
And to refresh our memories what model?

 

[Jon McBass]

Just living in reality, other amp manufacturers don't have the same issues as Mesa does and they don't charge a premium.

I understand Mesa has a bottom line but it is just wrong to sell a defective product.

What?? On what planet is this a reality?

 

[MultiScaleMale]

Just living in reality, other amp manufacturers don't have the same issues as Mesa does and they don't charge a premium.

I understand Mesa has a bottom line but it is just wrong to sell a defective product.

Huh? Ok, I'll bite. What's your amp of choice?

 

[jeff7bass]

Nobody starts a thread saying, "Day 837 and my amp is working great. No noises, no buzzes, no hum."

That would be cause for banning.

 

[DJ Bebop]

Just living in reality, other amp manufacturers don't have the same issues as Mesa does and they don't charge a premium.

I understand Mesa has a bottom line but it is just wrong to sell a defective product.

A lot of amp manufacturers don't have 5-year warranties either.
Folks like Bic lighters too. I prefer a refillable one. I have my dad's butane lighter, it's 55 years old

 

[agedhorse]

Just living in reality, other amp manufacturers don't have the same issues as Mesa does and they don't charge a premium.

I understand Mesa has a bottom line but it is just wrong to sell a defective product.

Exactly what “defective product issue” about a Subway amp are you talking about? You need to back your claim up with facts, which I know with 100% confidence you can not.

With every product by every manufacturer there will be an occasional defective amp. This is why manufacturers have warranties. We cover our amps for 5 years, as long or longer than any other manufacturer, and we support our amps for as long as parts are available (we are still supporting amps that are 40+ years old at the factory).

What exactly is your problem with either me or is?