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Mesa M-Pulse600

Too many great posts to quote here. Thanks for a lot of great info.

I had a WB, but felt it wasn't enough power. I wasn't especially aware of the tube grit/growl capabilities (didn't know what I was missing). I replaced it with the MP600. I was teetering between the SVT-3Pro and the 600 and was amazed at how much fatter the 600 sounded. I bought that (just before the A/P switch and Speakons). I love it (gobs of power) but I'm thinking about getting another WB also.

I use an Ampeg 410HE (and sometimes add a 115E), a Fender Jazz, mainly, and sometimes a Fender P. Lately, I keep the gain at 2:30, bass: 2:00, mid and treble at 12:00, 400hz: 2:00, the rest of the eq flat. Any suggestions for settings to get more growl?
 
Too many great posts to quote here. Thanks for a lot of great info.

I had a WB, but felt it wasn't enough power. I wasn't especially aware of the tube grit/growl capabilities (didn't know what I was missing). I replaced it with the MP600. I was teetering between the SVT-3Pro and the 600 and was amazed at how much fatter the 600 sounded. I bought that (just before the A/P switch and Speakons). I love it (gobs of power) but I'm thinking about getting another WB also.

I use an Ampeg 410HE (and sometimes add a 115E), a Fender Jazz, mainly, and sometimes a Fender P. Lately, I keep the gain at 2:30, bass: 2:00, mid and treble at 12:00, 400hz: 2:00, the rest of the eq flat. Any suggestions for settings to get more growl?

Don't be afraid to crank the input gain a touch more... with a passive J or P, you probably need to open it up a touch more to start to push the pre. Also, you might want to roll back the bass control a touch, and push up the volume... the growl is in the mids.

That being said, the MPulse really is more about clean versus the snarl of the BB750 and the nice break-uy of the Walkabout. However, it will grit and grind a touch with the mids pushed a touch more than the bass, and the gain cranked up a bit IME.
 
Don't be afraid to crank the input gain a touch more... with a passive J or P, you probably need to open it up a touch more to start to push the pre. Also, you might want to roll back the bass control a touch, and push up the volume... the growl is in the mids.

That being said, the MPulse really is more about clean versus the snarl of the BB750 and the nice break-uy of the Walkabout. However, it will grit and grind a touch with the mids pushed a touch more than the bass, and the gain cranked up a bit IME.

Thanks, I'll try that. I see a lot of comments about the MPulse being relatively clean.
 
Ken, I thought it was interesting that the MPulse 600 and Markbass F1 (which seem like they would be tonal opposites) both sound great though the Epi UL410 (II) and Berg HS210 cabs. Tonewise, how does the MPulse 600 compare to the Eden WT800 (assuming B or C models which can bridge into a 4 ohm load)?
 
Ken, I thought it was interesting that the MPulse 600 and Markbass F1 (which seem like they would be tonal opposites) both sound great though the Epi UL410 (II) and Berg HS210 cabs. Tonewise, how does the MPulse 600 compare to the Eden WT800 (assuming B or C models which can bridge into a 4 ohm load)?

You are right... both great and both very different... with the F1 being tight, percussive, a little hi fi in the top end, and rather transparent sounding overall, and the MPulse being fat, warm, a little wooly (in a good way) and a deep bass response that can really shake the room.

I actually prefer the F1/UL410(II) to virtually anything else I've ever heard for my personal sound (that is my primary gigging rig at this point). My buddy TBer Mikebass was just over here and heard it, and I think he liked it:D

I have not directly compared the MPulse600 with the WT800, but I've spent a ton of time with each. Volume-wise, into 4ohms, my feeling is they are about the same, given my experience directly comparing the WT800 bridged into 8ohms and the LMII into the same 8ohm cab. The Eden's sound great, but the wattage always seemed to be overstated... not as badly as some of the SWR stuff, but the 800 or 1000 watts of the WT800 don't totally blow away the newer 500 watt smaller heads, much less the mighty MPulse600 to my ear.

Tonewise, the WT800 has a slight 'suggestion' of a tube in the pre... a little bit of warmth and bloom in the low end. The MPulse screams 'tube' to my ear... HUGE low end, super warm mids, and a crunchy top end if you want it. The Eden heads are much more voiced to the mids than the very wide, open tone of the MPulse. The Mpulse tone controls also provide IMO a lot more useable tonal variation than the Eden tone circuit, which to me sounds great virtually flat, and seems to get worse the more knobs you twist. IMO there... the Eden stuff just isn't my tone anymore... not really crisp, fast, transparent SS like the Markbass or Thunderfunk, but also not big, vintage tube and fat like the Mesa.

IMO... of course many love the Eden tone, and they still sound great matched with an Eden cab.
 
Since I recommend these heads all the time to those looking for a modern tube tone without the size and weight of an all tube head, I figured I might as well get one myself! I had an earlier version a number of years ago, and it was one of the few pieces of gear I was actually sorry I sold after the fact.

Since a few TBers PM'd questions about this head since I purchased it this weekend, and since the new model has a few changes from the earlier models, I thought I'd post a picture and provide some feedback.

The amp weighs about 28 pounds, two rack spaces, wattage is listed as 625 into 4ohms (2ohms OK but not recommended... which always drives me a little nuts). I believe what they are basically saying is that the amp is overdesigned for 4ohm operation, but not really designed to push 2ohms all night every night).

The tone is, to me, like a 600 watt Ampeg B-15... very warm, but not meant for the SVT snarl... more fat and big... similar in design goal to the DB750 IMO.

The input section has been changed to a single input with active/passive switch. There had been some problems with the active input causing some issues when not used regularly, so they just took it out. The newer models also now have dual speakon speaker outs.. very nice improvement over the 1/4".

The primary tone controls are active bass and treble (55hz and 723hz shelving... unusual shelving start points, especially the treble control, which provides more upper mid growl than sparkle), and what they describe as a passive mid control (which is 'boost only' which always kind of confused me). The bass and treble are flat when centered at noon, and the mid control seems about flat at around 9 o'clock. If you use just these controls, the amp has a feel and tone very close to the Alembic F-1 to me at moderate EQ settings, although the bass boost is MUCH more powerful.

The five band semi-parametric mid control is powerful, and I like the center detents on each control, which makes it easy to quickly 'recenter' the setting and 'start from scratch'. Not sure why the bass, treble and mids don't have detents though.. that would be an improvement.

The compressor is about the best in the business, and the documentation says it is based on the THAT 4301P Analog Engine integrated circuit. Whatever that is, it is smooth and infinitely adjustable (threshold and ratio).

There is a typically overdesigned Mesa footswitch included, which can be used for tuner mute, solo boost (set by a separate master volume), semi-parametric EQ in/out, and compressor in/out. The footswitch is about the size of my Markbass F1:D

The rear panel is wonderful... pre/post DI with volume and ground switch, 'slave' amp driver with volume (this is wonderful if you are one of those guys who sometimes uses a huge power amp for large gigs), and an effects loop (parallel only, I believe).

The amp is an honestly rated 600 watts into 4, and is about the same volume as most of the popular amps of that power level (Epi502, Markbass LMII, Thunderfunk). However, it has the capability of HUGE tubey low end... massive.... and also a very convincing 'all tube' mid growl and warmth. The treble response is warm and polite, although you can get a little sparkle with the highest semi parametric band... but that's not what this head is about.

The build quality is amazing... the design and feel are very 'Harley Davidson'... all metal switches, smooth metal knobs, beautiful brushed aluminum front plate, etc. The fan is moderately loud, but not a problem.

There are two tubes in the amp (12ax7's), and Mesa claims the second tube which 'drives the MOSFETS' is what makes the MPulse sound so tubey versus other hybrid designs. Whatever the reason... it's TUBEY... more wide, clean and open than the Walkabout, and not as growly or mid punchy as the BB750.

For those who are looking for a relatively modern tube tone with lots of bells and whistles in a relatively small, light package... this amp is the bomb.

Here's a pic:

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Edit: Sounds killer with the Epi410UL (II) and also the Aguilar DB112's... warm tube but articulate!

DAMN YOU, DAMN YOU KEN JUNG! Now I really want one. Talk about an amp being right up my alley.
 
Ken, I thought it was interesting that the MPulse 600 and Markbass F1 (which seem like they would be tonal opposites) both sound great though the Epi UL410 (II) and Berg HS210 cabs. Tonewise, how does the MPulse 600 compare to the Eden WT800 (assuming B or C models which can bridge into a 4 ohm load)?

I just switched back to an M-Pulse from the 800B, so I'll chime in here in a little bit. :)
 
I've got an M-pulse 600 and a Navigator + WT1000 rack. I love both, they're very different.

The 600 is deep, uber tubey, 3-D, somewhat mid scooped when flat, and has a great big rock sound. I use it with my 12" cabs. It has a great sound and works for all styles, but I like it best for pickstyle and open-textured fingerstyle (big, supportive whole notes down to eighths), for raggae, and for big aggressive slap sounds. Equally great with all my basses.

The Eden is very mid-focussed, with a closed, dense, punchy basic sound. I use it with a 410XLT (and various others in the past). That combo yields a deadly focussed fingerstyle sound for complex grooves, and a nice fat n' twinky slap sound. If I'm playing something tricky with my fingers, that eden sound is the best for immediate feedback about where the notes are, and the punchy roundness makes it sit in the mix like a champ. I don't like this rig for pickstyle, and I don't like it all that much with a P-bass. Great with a Jazz or my 55-94. The Nav has the absolute coolest DI ever, it is tube buffered, sounds great, and you can assign it the compression but not the EQ. Every DI should have that!

Overall, these are my two favorite rigs after having tried many many things. I also have ampeg preamps to put in front of the Eden power and speakers, which I like a lot and sort of splits the difference.
 
what cabs would you guys reccomend for the best results ?

I'm very impressed with the Aguilar DB112x2 match-up with this head.... fat, full but still punchy and with lot's of upper end clarity.

I also have high hopes for the Bergantino AE410.. the new neo 410, which my guess is will be voiced tighter and punchier in the mids than the 410UL (just guessing... I'll know tomorrow!).
 
Aguilar GS412 (the 1x12s are good too, but not as good) or any Mesa Powerhouse cabinet.

+1 on the Powerhouse cabs. I finally took my WB head out of the Scout 12 cab and ran it through a pair of PH cabs, 410 and 210, holy moly, it's huge. I run the eq flat except for a slight mid boost, gain at noon, master at noon, and competing against, (or with), two guitars, keys, and drums, I'm in the mix perfectly. In a word, snappy. I'm putting off another amp purchase as this set up is a true champ. Though a 600 would be nice, I don't feel the need for any more power, and the WB's grit is perfect for me. Great thread, btw, thanks to all for the info and feedback.
 
+1 on the Powerhouse cabs. I finally took my WB head out of the Scout 12 cab and ran it through a pair of PH cabs, 410 and 210, holy moly, it's huge. I run the eq flat except for a slight mid boost, gain at noon, master at noon, and competing against, (or with), two guitars, keys, and drums, I'm in the mix perfectly. In a word, snappy. I'm putting off another amp purchase as this set up is a true champ. Though a 600 would be nice, I don't feel the need for any more power, and the WB's grit is perfect for me. Great thread, btw, thanks to all for the info and feedback.

+1 to the Powerhouse also. They sound great, but the bigger ones are just massively heavy and also large (really deep).

That being said, they have a 4ohm very high powered 115 with tweeter they just added to the line, and it looks SMOKING! It's hard to find a full range 115 cab in a 4ohm version that can handle enough power to be a stand-alone cab. Pretty darn nice... haven't heard it yet, but I bet it's smokin'!
 
They sound great, but the bigger ones are just massively heavy and also large (really deep).

This is pretty much the reason I haven't switched over to Mesa Cabs too. The Aguilar GS412 is hard to beat in terms of sound quality, weight, and portability...especially since I'm roadie-less at the moment. But they do sound great. I have this weird mental thing that I'm trying to get over where I like pairing heads and cabs of the same brand. I think it's a mild form of OCD. I think what probably stops me also is that Mesa Cabs are relatively expensive, even on the used market.

Side note, there seems to be a resurgence of popularity with this head...with good reason :)
 
I used to have an M-Pulse 600 that was apparently newer than your first one (Ken) and older than your current one. It had the active/passive switch on the front instead of dedicated inputs for each, but it did not have speakon jacks. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like they did those updates separately... At least on mine...???

Mine had the blue'ish purple power indicator on the front. I've heard some of the newer ones are red... which.... as we all know, makes your amp not rock as hard :p

One thing worth mentioning is that this head has the smoothest mids and upper mids I've ever played. Even the treble was smooth. I'm not much of a sparkley treble guy, so this was definitely a plus for me. With the M-Pulse 600 I could EQ in WAY more in those ranges than any other head I've ever owned. As a result the string-to-string balance when using this head was really even across the board even with the compressor disengaged. Engage the compressor and all of the basses I ran through it balanced amazingly well.

If there were a way to combine the lows, low-mids, gain structure and power sections from GK 2001RB with the mids, upper-mids, treble and compression of the M-Pulse 600... Needless to say I would be in absolute tonal heaven. ...now why doesn't TB have a smiley for a Homer Simpson'esque drool and "mmmmmmmmmm"???? :D
 
I used to have an M-Pulse 600 that was apparently newer than your first one (Ken) and older than your current one. It had the active/passive switch on the front instead of dedicated inputs for each, but it did not have speakon jacks. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like they did those updates separately... At least on mine...???

Mine had the blue'ish purple power indicator on the front. I've heard some of the newer ones are red... which.... as we all know, makes your amp not rock as hard :p

One thing worth mentioning is that this head has the smoothest mids and upper mids I've ever played. Even the treble was smooth. I'm not much of a sparkley treble guy, so this was definitely a plus for me. With the M-Pulse 600 I could EQ in WAY more in those ranges than any other head I've ever owned. As a result the string-to-string balance when using this head was really even across the board even with the compressor disengaged. Engage the compressor and all of the basses I ran through it balanced amazingly well.

If there were a way to combine the lows, low-mids, gain structure and power sections from GK 2001RB with the mids, upper-mids, treble and compression of the M-Pulse 600... Needless to say I would be in absolute tonal heaven. ...now why doesn't TB have a smiley for a Homer Simpson'esque drool and "mmmmmmmmmm"???? :D


+1 to the above. Mesa does seem to do a sort of 'creeping' update.. changing one little thing at a time. Mine still has the purple type power light.
 
I took a look at an older (last year, maybe even 2005) NAMM picture showing a Mesa Venture (basically the MPulse 600 in a combo case) stacked on top of a Powerhouse 1x15. I think the Venture was a 2x10 version, so it was a 2x10 + 1x15 combination.

Anyone of you 600 users using the MPulse 600 to drive a 2x10 + 1x15 stack.. particularly all Mesa cabs ? I'd think that would just be a killer combination and pretty versatile too, although probably pretty heavy.

Also. FWFW, I am not a huge connoisseur of custom covered gear, but in the pic I'm referring to, the Venture and the Powerhouse 1x15 were done in a deep dark red rhino-vinyl ... looked pretty cool to me.

BTW, I am a current Walkabout user looking into adding a 600, or more likely a Venture, to my rig to provide a bit more clean headroom to my larger/louder gig sound.