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Metallica...what went wrong

#123
ster said:
The type of metal Metallica played (thrash, speed–whatever) is based on angst, rebelliousness, disillusionment etc. Once they made millions and got a little older, they no longer lived the hardcore lifestyle which is IMO essential to great rock or metal. Big comfortable houses in super-nice areas, fancy cars, good food and vacations around the world doesn’t produce good metal.

Like Jack Black said in The School of Rock, “You’re not hardcore, unless you live hardcore."
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The only type of music where more money is really desired is rap or hip hop since its whole image and lyrics are based upon having riches. Pop also in general i suppose since the pop artist is expected to often seem larger than life (Michael Jackson, Madonna, Lady Gaga, etc)

I think for most other genres , success will eventually rob you of your drive and creativity (punk, blues, metal, country, folk, you name them, the more the genre is tied to some sort of perceived genuineness, the worse it i ). I mean i don't fault a band for wanting to make money, but when you've been living in mansions long enough and your life is just luxuries, what do you eventually remember of the real world? How can you even relate to everyone else? And if you cant how can you expect your music and lyrics to?

At some point you have to start faking it, and not many are good fakers. There should be a law in music, once you made it to x amount of millions, you have to retire..... :-p Like a end goal. "In other news, Metallica today has made their 100th million, they are now by law required to break up and never make another record again." (obviously that would have happened years ago)
 
#127
inthevelvet said:
I don't know of any band that's been able to keep that "new band hunger" for 30 years. Pretty tall order. Bands can still make some good music, but to be able to recreate what made the first few albums so incredible 30 years on would be hard. and even if they did people would just complain they weren't growing at all. Success at that level has its drawbacks.
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It sure does. Either you run out of ideas, risk being a self-parody trying to replicate past songs or that youthful exuberance, the pain and anger that fueled your creativity has been blunted by all of the adulation and riches you received. I think aging metal and hard rock bands suffer the most from this.
 
#128
fmoore200 said:
Maybe popular hip hop of today, but classic hip hop was about partying and having a good time at one end of the spectrum (Digital Underground) to social commentary (EPMD, Public Enemy).
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I know, i have all these on tape somewhere. I was into hip hop and rap when i was 12 (i'm not saying this as a judgement either, i don't mean, only twelve years old can enjoy hip hop or rap, i just mean that as a fact, back when i was 12, i was into hip hop and rap). Yes i was 12 and listening to a song like Freaks of the Industry on Digital Underground's Sex Packets. My grasp of english was just good enough to understand what they were saying, but thank god my parents never was. Young MC's Stone Cold Rhymin' is still one of the best "good time" hip hop record made. Bust a move was just one song among a full record of songs just about as catchy. I can still rap the whole of PE's Bring the noise and a few others. Not something many people who know me now know....
 
#130
You don't want to hear that. There's the accent for one that would really ruin it...

I mean white middle class french canadian doing Chuck D? Please....that would jut be embarassing to record and for everyone else to watch. I respect public enemy and my fellow tb'ers too much for that.
 
#137
Metallica has ceased to be relevant because they have ceased to be honest. As adults in their late 40's, the whole adolescent heavy metal thing no longer courses through they veins, they merely caricature the sentiment. IMO, James should have disbanded them after the Black Album and pursued a career in Outlaw Country music (he would be amazing in that genre).
 
#140
I just wish the relationship with Bob Rock was the Black Album and then "Nice working with ya. Bye now." And that Death Magnetic was released right after it. They have released what is arguably the best metal album of all time and also some of the biggest '*** is going on with this band' albums of all time. First 5 albums is all I need.
 

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