Metallica...what went wrong

[fmoore200]

You got that right. I'm more pissed off at the state of the world now at age 35 than I ever was as a teen.

Yeah, but historically music is marketed (and bought by) youth, no?

Besides, us old timers can't write good tunes about what upsets us (ie my pension is going to the crapper, my dental plan sucks, and no matter how hard I pull in my bootstraps I can't achieve social mobility) that translate well to a youthful audience who has no experience with those things.

 

[DeathFromBelow]

Expect them to write good music? Sure.

Expect them to write the SAME music? That is both silly and presumptuous.

Where did anyone say they were expecting them to write the same music?

 

[DeathFromBelow]

Yeah, but historically music is marketed (and bought by) youth, no?

Besides, us old timers can't write good tunes about what upsets us (ie my pension is going to the crapper, my dental plan sucks, and no matter how hard I pull in my bootstraps I can't achieve social mobility) that translate well to a youthful audience who has no experience with those things.

Hehe, well that's not really the things that upset me. At least not the things I want to convey through creative expression.

And who says music is just for the young? Music should transcend age (and all other conventions). And it frequently does.

 

[samtastic]

Bob rock happened. The wrong producer can have a dramatic influence on the overall sound and feel of an album.
Death magnetic was their best album since justice.

 

[Korladis]

I've always identified with Dave.:|

You've been such an incorrigible, belligerent drunk that you were fired from from a band of chronic alcoholics?

 

[Unrepresented]

You've been such an incorrigible, belligerent drunk that you were fired from from a band of chronic alcoholics?

I haven't kicked a dog, if that's a prerequisite too.

 

[Korladis]

Hehe, well that's not really the things that upset me. At least not the things I want to convey through creative expression.

And who says music is just for the young? Music should transcend age (and all other conventions). And it frequently does.

I didn't cite them because they're not a clear case of improvement as they get older, but more a case of the newer albums being different but still very, very good, but I've highly enjoyed Neurosis' evolution as a band, and I think their music is still quite powerful and their lyrics are still great.

 

[fmoore200]

Hehe, well that's not really the things that upset me. At least not the things I want to convey through creative expression.

And who says music is just for the young? Music should transcend age (and all other conventions). And it frequently does.

I'm sorry to break the news to you, but we haven't gotten good feedback about your latest tune "swollen prostate" and we've decided to drop you from the label. It was a difficult decision, but I'm sure you'll do well. We just couldn't adjust to your more "adult" themes.

 

[DeathFromBelow]

I didn't cite them because they're not a clear case of improvement as they get older, but more a case of the newer albums being different but still very, very good, but I've highly enjoyed Neurosis' evolution as a band, and I think their music is still quite powerful and their lyrics are still great.

Yep, Neurosis are certainly a prime example of a band that just keeps evolving and delivering the goods! And they're no spring chickens anymore.

 

[DeathFromBelow]

I'm sorry to break the news to you, but we haven't gotten good feedback about your latest tune "swollen prostate" and we've decided to drop you from the label. It was a difficult decision, but I'm sure you'll do well. We just couldn't adjust to your more "adult" themes.

Lol, step away from the bong!

 

[Icey101]

I only liked that movie they made where they posted yellow sticky notes up and explored their feelings for each other,realised they couldnt stand each other, then came back together and got a new bass player

 

[DeathFromBelow]

I only liked that movie they made where they posted yellow sticky notes up and explored their feelings for each other,realised they couldnt stand each other, then came back together and got a new bass player

Yeah, that was awesome.

 

[Matthew_84]

I don't know... I first heard Metallica with Enter Sandman, and I was about 10. I never heard anything like that at the time and I remember that moment like it was yesterday. I became a fan of Metallica after the Black album...I didn't like Load as much and didn't bother with Reloaded or St. Anger, but I felt like Robert rejuvenated the band and bought Death Magnetic... I personally like it better than the Black Album. I then went back and got everything before The Black Album, and while i believe that everything before the Black Album was better than it, I still feel Death Magnetic is their greatest album.

I think a lot of people dislike them because they believe they sold out. It's ridiculous. They worked their butts off to record albums, promote them, and tour to make money, to be able to happily live off of their passion for music. I find it hard to believe that any hard working musician wouldn't do the same. I like my job, I make decent money, but if I ever had that opportunity I'd sign the contract in a heartbeat. It is really hard being a metal or punk musician; those genres are for rebelling, so they're constantly playing with a double-edged sword.

 

[AaronVonRock]

Yep, Neurosis are certainly a prime example of a band that just keeps evolving and delivering the goods! And they're no spring chickens anymore.

Neurosis is a perfect example of a band that was better and more ferocious when they were younger. Listen to their first 2 albums when they were a hardcore band. When they changed their sound on the next 3 albums, they were still ferocious. For the last 12+ years, they have 9 minute songs with 7 minutes of wank and 2 minutes of spank.

 

[FenderPeg]

Meh. With Dave kicked out you got 4.5 good Metallica albums plus (insert link to Megadeth equivalent of this thread that determines official TB consensus count of antebellum albums) three? good Megadeth albums.

8ish good albums by two bands is better than the hope that Metallica wouldn't have gone downhill with him anyway, right?

True, but I have never really cared for Megadeath. I just thought Dave got the shaft how they left him hanging with no money outta town and told to grab a bus, then laughed about it in cliff em all. No one deserves that but it must have made for some deep angry desire to produce something.

 

[ster]

The type of metal Metallica played (thrash, speed–whatever) is based on angst, rebelliousness, disillusionment etc. Once they made millions and got a little older, they no longer lived the hardcore lifestyle which is IMO essential to great rock or metal. Big comfortable houses in super-nice areas, fancy cars, good food and vacations around the world doesn’t produce good metal.

Like Jack Black said in The School of Rock, “You’re not hardcore, unless you live hardcore."

 

[mellowinman]

Well, due to this thread, I listened to a few songs from different eras of this band, and I still came to the same conclusion I always did; these guys' songs are just plain silly and weak.

No offense.

OBEY YOUR MASTER

 

[brownie_bass]

Where did anyone say they were expecting them to write the same music?

Everyone talking about them not being as angry anymore.

 

[Bassisgood4U]

What went wrong? Cliff died in that wreck. They slowly went more and more blues rock. It used to be chords and harmonies, now it's just blues riffs.

 

[fmoore200]

The type of metal Metallica played (thrash, speed–whatever) is based on angst, rebelliousness, disillusionment etc. Once they made millions and got a little older, they no longer lived the hardcore lifestyle which is IMO essential to great rock or metal. Big comfortable houses in super-nice areas, fancy cars, good food and vacations around the world doesn’t produce good metal.

Like Jack Black said in The School of Rock, “You’re not hardcore, unless you live hardcore."

Joe Walsh made a pretty awesome record about luxury