Unfortunately the MF-101 is discontinued and second hand units cost a fortune.
Could you perhaps suggest an alternative? Thanks!
Could you perhaps suggest an alternative? Thanks!
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Moogerfooger MF-101 Lowpass Filter Pedal alternative
- Thread starter Phaidrus
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There is this one:
BARBANERA Low Pass Filter
Depending on where you are located added shipping and import taxes can get you in the range of a used 101.
It’s definitely a lot smaller than the Moog.
but you have to be patient:
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/barbanera.1593421/#post-27181014
I almost forgot:Behringer Previews Entire Line Of ‘Boogerfooger’ Knockoffs
That was in March and I haven’t heard any news since then.
BARBANERA Low Pass Filter
Depending on where you are located added shipping and import taxes can get you in the range of a used 101.
It’s definitely a lot smaller than the Moog.
but you have to be patient:
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/barbanera.1593421/#post-27181014
I almost forgot:Behringer Previews Entire Line Of ‘Boogerfooger’ Knockoffs
That was in March and I haven’t heard any news since then.
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1. old Ibanez Bass Synthesizer (it isn't, it's a deep envelop with 2 distortions I never use) you can set a low start freq. on the sweep, and choose between 2 speeds. I use "slow". The Maxon is good too.
2. Joshwah. New, easy to dial in, doesn't have as low a freq. available, but for mid sweeps it's excellent. You can dial in a hint of overdrive also which makes it cut through a band mix better. I, personally, couldn't like the source audio Spectrum even though I tried because they are local. Not thick enough.
2. Joshwah. New, easy to dial in, doesn't have as low a freq. available, but for mid sweeps it's excellent. You can dial in a hint of overdrive also which makes it cut through a band mix better. I, personally, couldn't like the source audio Spectrum even though I tried because they are local. Not thick enough.
Thanks! I'm located in Europe, so there would no import taxes when ordering the Barbanera. Looks interesting but yeah, there's a long waiting list. And Behringer have been quiet about their Moog clones, perhaps they're too close (to the originals) for comfort.
Had a look on Reverb and the 101s start at about 500 €/$ and go all the way to double that or more. Quite a bit of upcharge considering it costed about 250 bucks back in 2018.
Xerograph Deluxe is a good shout. To me the big thing here is expression out, so the Joshwah and most others won't get you there.
It's a little different, but since you're in Europe the FTELETTRONICA Meatball clone might be a good fit. I don't have one but I have a Meatball clone and I prefer it to any other filter, and I've had most of the well-regarded ones.
It's a little different, but since you're in Europe the FTELETTRONICA Meatball clone might be a good fit. I don't have one but I have a Meatball clone and I prefer it to any other filter, and I've had most of the well-regarded ones.
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Here's where I got the idea. He's splitting his signal and one line goes to the Moogerfooger for a super fat sound while the other goes to some other effects for an "effects" sound (Bassball, Delay, etc). He switches between the two with the Boss Live Selector pedal. So it's the super fat sound of the Moogerfooger I'm looking for.
DubSpencer&TranceHill on Instagram: "Masi explains in german :-) sein ausgetüfteltes Board das immer wieder optimiert wird. Reduce to the max! #dubmusic #bass #bassplayer #bassfx #fx #fxboard #dubspencerandtrancehill #livedub"
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@Eric Cioe
Here's where I got the idea. He's splitting his signal and one line goes to the Moogerfooger for a super fat sound while the other goes to some other effects for an "effects" sound (Bassball, Delay, etc). He switches between the two with the Boss Live Selector pedal. So it's the super fat sound of the Moogerfooger I'm looking for.
DubSpencer&TranceHill on Instagram: "Masi explains in german :-) sein ausgetüfteltes Board das immer wieder optimiert wird. Reduce to the max! #dubmusic #bass #bassplayer #bassfx #fx #fxboard #dubspencerandtrancehill #livedub"
If you are not opposed to digital and not afraid of editing on a phone/computer than probably the Source Audio Spectrum/C4 can get you there.
I’m not good at recreating sounds, I buy stuff I find interesting and see what I can get out of it.
I have a Xerograph and it’s great but also quite rare and expensive here in Europe.
I’m not good at recreating sounds, I buy stuff I find interesting and see what I can get out of it.
I have a Xerograph and it’s great but also quite rare and expensive here in Europe.
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He's got a nice bass too... I would prefer a Prunes & Custard to the Bass Balls, they sound like a manic elf to me, pretty funny. But it's in context to the music I'm sure. I forget to mention the Catlinbread Many Worlds which has an envelope phaser, up or down sweep, that's what I use to get the fixed (or low sensitivity) dub sound like his moog did. Prunes & Custard before Many Worlds works great too because they have clean through and different freq. centers. I haven't found any bass demos for it though.
Thanks. How would you set the Catalinbread Many Worlds to get this heavy dub sound?
I wonder if Behringer going quiet on their MF clones has anything to do with Moog being sold to a conglomerate that likely has deeper pockets for lawsuits.
@Phaidrus I currently have an MF101 and it does lots of things that other filters I've owned can't quite touch, but for the specific MF tone in that Instagram video (just a fat fixed filter sound without drive or sweep) I think the Source Audio C4/Spectrum or Iron Ether Xerograph would be more than capable, heck even my EHX Enigma could probably do it fine as he appears to just be using the 2-pole filter mode vs the slightly rarer (in pedal form) 4-pole mode.
I haven’t used a Nano Qtron, but ideally you need a Frequency control of some sort to dial in the LPF to the right frequency. If you turn the Drive on the Nano all the way off in LP mode maybe it can do a fixed filter at some frequency, but I don’t know for sure. Ideally look for filters that have a Frequency control and/or an expression input
The fat tone the bass player in the video at the top of this thread is getting out of the MF-101 is quite impressive. So I'm looking for possible alternatives as the moog is discontinued and used units cost at least 500 bucks. So hopefully this dubby (but not synthy) tone is not unique to it.
The classic Moog synth filter sound is a 4-pole ladder filter that has a particularly chewy fat vibe to it. The Moog filter topology is unique in itself, and you can hear that when comparing two synths with similar waveforms and 4-pole filters, though the main thing is the 4-pole filter aspect that makes a fatter and synthier tone- probably 90% or more of filter pedals only have 2-pole filters while 4-pole is more common in synth gear. Part of the tone is also the ability to drive the filter with the Moog’s unique built-in preamp that adds some pleasant hair around the edges and mild compression and helps the filter open up more. I also find the sweep of the Moog in “Slow” mode to really sound unique and feel particularly good to me.
Oddly the clip the OP wants to emulate actually employs none of these as far as I can tell- I believe he is using the 2-pole filter mode, with the Drive turned low and no discernible filter sweep. Still sounds great in those settings but a little less unique to a Moog IMO
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