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Motion to Rename HPF and LPF

#141
KPopOnBass said:
It's a small thing, but I find the terms High Pass Filter and Low Pass Filter confusing. Every time I hear the terms, I have to think through what they're doing. I propose going back in time and popularizing them as Low Cut Filter and High Cut Filter! You know, name the filters after what they filter instead of what they don't filter.

I'm not an idiot (abundant life-choice counterexamples aside) and I have, like, totally serious degrees in engineering and stuff. I can figure out what these pedals do. They just need better names, IMHO. Just me? :laugh:
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I'm sorry you find the names confusing.
The concept of hi-pass vs low-pass is clear to me, so I don't think their names need to be changed.
I'm very bad at spelling words, but I don't expect the way some words, but I don't expect others to different spellings to accommodate me.
 
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#146
Derek Williams said:
There is no rule that states filters should be named based on what is passed through, and what is removed. If anything, a HPF and LPF are more descriptive than most filter names, as they actually explicitly state what is passed through. If that is counter intuitive to you... :rolleyes:
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I'm not sure who would make such "rule",
But many text books are written to help us design and analyze HPF, LPF, Notch filters, crossovers …..,,,,,,
 
#147
Slevage said:
I'm not sure who would make such "rule",
But many text books are written to help us design and analyze HPF, LPF, Notch filters, crossovers …..,,,,,,
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The rule would be made and enforced by the language police of course. Making sure our filters are properly named according to grammatical law.

Do we really need a text book to explain to us that a high pass filter allows highs to pass, and not the opposite? We don't need to know how to create an actual HPF circuit to understand what a HPF knob on a pedal does.
 
#148
I love that language evolves, it's one of the great things about our species. For example going out in your vest, pants and suspenders means very different things in the UK and US. The English language is completely different to what it was even just a couple off of hundred years ago.

But. Does that give us licence to change terms because they are not well understood?

Computers programs are filled with language (and icons) that have roots in analog pre-computer ways of working, or early computing days. Floppy disc icons for save, cut, copy and paste commands. Not to mention leading, kerning, tracking, uppercase, lowercase, dodging and burning etc.

FWIW the line 6 helix uses the terms low cut and high cut in its eq blocks rather than hpf and lpf. Perhaps it's dumbed down for our skinny stringed brethren. Helix groups always used those terms too, I hardly ever see anyone use hpf or lpf.
 
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#150
Slevage said:
I'm not sure who would make such "rule"
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#152
OP here. I love TalkBass (now to be known as ReadWriteReplyBass) so much! The best way to connect with other bass players instead of practicing bass. :laugh: I appreciate all of you who see no need to change and want to slap me, as well as those who agree with expensively changing everything in the world to accommodate one small thing I find mildly irritating. :roflmao: And some good food for thought on how to think about filters.

Plain Old Barry said:
Pictures help! :D
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They do help! I literally drew little graphs like that by the knobs on my HPF/LPF pedal!

Ken R said:
The crap you are about to receive for even suggesting this will make you shake your head.
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I... have never ever woken up to this many notifications before. :roflmao:

dbsfgyd1 said:
If you enjoyed the counter intuitiveness of that nomenclature, try you hand at option trading..LOL!!!
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Oh lawd! I had to learn some of that stuff a couple years ago to pass an industry certification test related to risk management. SO confounding. Put or call? Long or short? Forward or spot? Does my iron condor cover the spread or am I just going bankrupt?

Jason Hollar said:
As long as there are graphics I'm good:
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Those look great! What pedal is that? Just curious.
 
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#153
MVE said:
What really drives me nutz is "far-sighted" and "near-sighted".

Dont those terms make it sound like you can see some things… better???

like, shouldn't it be "far-NOT-sighted" and "near-NOT-sight"?!?!?
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Near-sighted does mean that you see up close better than distance. But that can change as you hit 40 and presbyopia kicks in, then you can see at near, but have to hold things a bit further away. It is definitely counter-intuitive to the way we use language, but it does work as LPF and HPF do as well. Though, the Moog LPF is an envelope filter, not a high cut, so that is also kind of confusing.
 
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AlvarHanso said:
Near-sighted does mean that you see up close better than distance. But that can change as you hit 40 and presbyopia kicks in, then you can see at near, but have to hold things a bit further away. It is definitely counter-intuitive to the way we use language, but it does work as LPF and HPF do as well. Though, the Moog LPF is an envelope filter, not a high cut, so that is also kind of confusing.
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The Moog filter is very confusing! You're expecting to run some highs, but SQUELCH! Not saying Moog effects ain't cool as the day is long, though.
 
#155
MVE said:
What really drives me nutz is "far-sighted" and "near-sighted".

Dont those terms make it sound like you can see some things… better???

like, shouldn't it be "far-NOT-sighted" and "near-NOT-sight"?!?!?
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Farsighted means you can see far and not near.

Nearsighted means you can see near and not far.

Astigmatism and presbyopia aside.

These things may not be what you first think when you hear them, but the reasoning behind the terms is pretty straightforward.
 
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KPopOnBass said:
OP here. I love TalkBass (now to be known as ReadWriteReplyBass) so much! The best way to connect with other bass players instead of practicing bass. :laugh: I appreciate all of you who see no need to change and want to slap me, as well as those who agree with expensively changing everything in the world to accommodate one small thing I find mildly irritating. :roflmao: And some good food for thought on how to think about filters.


They do help! I literally drew little graphs like that by the knobs on my HPF/LPF pedal!


I... have never ever woken up to this many notifications before. :roflmao:


Oh lawd! I had to learn some of that stuff a couple years ago to pass an industry certification test related to risk management. SO confounding. Put or call? Long or short? Forward or spot? Does my iron condor cover the spread or am I just going bankrupt?


Those look great! What pedal is that? Just curious.
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It's the Genzler Re/Q … I don't own one yet but thinking it looks pretty useful.
 
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#158
Derek Williams said:
The rule would be made and enforced by the language police of course. Making sure our filters are properly named according to grammatical law.

Do we really need a text book to explain to us that a high pass filter allows highs to pass, and not the opposite? We don't need to know how to create an actual HPF circuit to understand what a HPF knob on a pedal does.
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I agree. Just giving credibility to the terms. There'd be many text books to correct if the OP's proposal takes hold.
 
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#159
Adamixoye said:
Farsighted means you can see far and not near.

Nearsighted means you can see near and not far.

Astigmatism and presbyopia aside.

These things may not be what you first think when you hear them, but the reasoning behind the terms is pretty straightforward.
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Im technically near-sighted.

But if people ask me I say, Im far-not-sighted.

It might sound stupid but it makes a lot more sense.
 

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