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Muddy Bass Sound - Please HELP

Ok hopefully this is the right area to post. My first time posting.

Little bit of a backstory - Been in a band (Pop Punk/Pop Rock trio) for the last 4 years and love the music the guitarist is writing. However, the drummer plays so loud. This leads me on to my post.

I use a 4 string Fender Player Jazz bass (Rotosound 105-45 gauge) and a Mark Bass CMD 121H 400W 1 x 12 Bass Combo. I also do own a Fender Vintera 50s P bass and still have the same issue. Both basses are passive.

I have the neck and bridge pick up up about half way and the tone put up about a 3rd.

Due to the drummer being so loud I have to pretty much crank up the gain and volume pots on my amp to 90% (5 on a clock). I've had to turn bass pot all the way down because if I turn that up it sound even worse, I have turn turning volume and gain down when turn the bass up pot up ( to about 8/9 on a clock) it still sounds so muddy. I've explained that we are playing way to loud because if turn down the gain (10 on a clock) and volume (10 on a clock) and put the bass pot on to 8 on a clock it sounds so much better and clearer. I have the Low mid, high mid and high pot set no more than 11.

I really can't afford to buy a more powerful amp so I don't have to push it so hard. Is there any suggestions/advice for me to try with my equipment. Any pedals that might help with my EQ more.

I know the more I turn up the volume on my bass I am pushing the signal more to it threshold, the same with the amp. I have tried turning my pickups to about 75% and turned down the gain and volumeto about 3/4 on a clock. Still get the same issue.

My understanding of gain is that it not a volume control. It controls how much of the input signal can pass through, and the volume control will determine how much to amplifi that signal depending on what you have it set as.
 
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Hi, and welcome to TalkBass!
I understand you currently can't afford a more capable amp. Would adding an extension speaker be an option? This often helps to add more volume and presence. Yes, you could ask the drummer to play more softly but really it comes down to your amplification.
IMO, a 1x12 combo on it's own is inadequate in a pop punk/rock setting but I'm not familiar with your MarkBass. Others with more experience with that amp will chime in soon. Don't worry about your basses. They're not the problem.
 
Hi, and welcome to TalkBass!
I understand you currently can't afford a more capable amp. Would adding an extension speaker be an option? This often helps to add more volume and presence. Yes, you could ask the drummer to play more softly but really it comes down to your amplification.
IMO, a 1x12 combo on it's own is inadequate in a pop punk/rock setting but I'm not familiar with your MarkBass. Others with more experience with that amp will chime in soon. Don't worry about your basses. They're not the problem.

ah, I read OP wrong. I thought a combo plus extension cab was already being used. Definitely add an extension cab.

A 1x12 speaker will not be loud enough with loud drummer no matter how many watts you pump in to it. Try putting your combo on a chair until you can get a second cab. You will hear yourself better.
 
I apologize if you're already on top of these;

1. Get a good set of earplugs. It took me forever to find a set that fits me well, but I can hear everything so much better.

2. Throw your cab on the other side of the room. If you have weird bass traps in your room it's gonna be exacerbated by putting the cab behind your knees.

If those don't help at all -

Turn up your bass. Rolling it back is useful under some circumstances, but if you can't keep up then start there.

I hate to say it, but if your band can't reel it in you need an extension cab. If you don't mind some weight you can get a decent option cheap-ish, but with a 112 you need a band that's cognizant of your limitations. Otherwise you need a bigger stick.

I would recommend having your whole band work on getting quieter. You'll be a tighter band for your troubles.

Good luck.
 
Get a HPF (high pass filter) - it cuts everything below the frequency you set. Makes your amp sound much louder and less muddy since you won't be using most of the amp's power pushing muddy frequencies below 50hz for example. Tightens up your tone too.

This one's great and also has a LPF:
https://www.broughtonaudio.com/product-page/low-high-pass-filter
 
Do you have a preference for Mark Bass? It looks like there are definitely other combo amps in that price range (GK/Blackstar/Fender) with 2x10 or 1x15 speakers. Maybe you can trade or sell it for something else? And remember watts do not equal loudness. So it could well be that a 200W amp with a 15' speaker is louder than a 400W amp with a 12' speaker, though speaker size is not the only variable.
 
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Due to the drummer being so loud I have to pretty much crank...

What context(s) is this in? Rehearsal, performances, both? Are you just talking about stage volume?

Assuming that you're talking about amp only situations and that you have vocals, what's your PA setup? Aside from all of the valid suggestions, if you are running vocals through a reasonably capable pair of tops ("reasonably capable" being full-range speakers that aren't tiny...such as typical current 12" 2-way speakers), you can add the bass to the mix and get just the boost you need. Back off of what you're doing that's causing the issues and add enough in the PA to get you over the top.

People seem to forget or discount this as a possibility or option and somehow come to believe that PA speakers generally "can't handle bass" unless there are subs or a sub involved, which is nonsense.

Anyway, depending on your PA situation, this may be another avenue that costs nothing other than the time to make the connection and settings...your amp has a good, clean DI.