That’s just it. I love bad movies, but I know they’re bad. That’s what makes it
I don’t try to justify them. There’s a big difference between ‘They saved Hitlers’ Brain’
and.Fellini’s ‘Satyricon’.
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Musical Immaturity - Is it that common?
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I don’t try to justify them. There’s a big difference between ‘They saved Hitlers’ Brain’
and.Fellini’s ‘Satyricon’.
Oh well I'm glad to hear that your knowledge of and taste in music has reached such a level of objective perfection that you have neither the need nor the desire to learn anything more then.
You know what you like and anything you don't like is "crap", and there's nothing more to learn. If there is, it's not going to change your opinion. Shame really because at 66 you're still relatively young if you have a passion for music.
Perhaps you have totally misunderstood my original comment but you are definitely agreeing with it, whether you realise it or not.
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Go pick on somebody else to pick a fight with. It is obvious that your reading comprehension is giving you so much trouble.
AMEN! Yeah there was music from the late ‘70s to ‘80s that I poo-pooed due to ignorance. That same music is now at the top of my list. Some of us take longer to mature
Live & Let Live should apply, but I get tired of folks blasting their Music loudly for no reason.
I can't recall where I was, but recently I was in a parking lot where some dude was apparently waiting for someone & he had the Music blaring so loudly that everyone was staring at his vehicle.
I thought that was cool, when I was 14!
I can't recall where I was, but recently I was in a parking lot where some dude was apparently waiting for someone & he had the Music blaring so loudly that everyone was staring at his vehicle.
I thought that was cool, when I was 14!
I’m in my 50s now. Sadly, I can’t remember a time of widespread mutual respect and tolerance. In my formative musical years, the 80s, there seemed to be this dichotomy; you either obsessed over virtuosity, and became dismissive of lesser talent or, to be cool, took a confrontational punk-like attitude, scoffed at good musicianship.and championed “feeling.” Both attitudes were intimidating, creating a very competitive atmosphere where players tried to prove who was the greatest. Whatever genre, whatever instrument, it was there. Amongst some of my contemporaries, this negativity is still alive and well.
I’ve been trying to shake my biases as I get older, as I’d like to be wiser. As for maturity, hopefully it will evolve as I continue to follow the advice of John Paul Jones. To paraphrase a quote from an interview, he said that musicians should always seek diversity, and carefully listen to as much as they can. You will always get something out of the experience, even if it’s “Don’t do that!”
I’ve been trying to shake my biases as I get older, as I’d like to be wiser. As for maturity, hopefully it will evolve as I continue to follow the advice of John Paul Jones. To paraphrase a quote from an interview, he said that musicians should always seek diversity, and carefully listen to as much as they can. You will always get something out of the experience, even if it’s “Don’t do that!”
I would guess it's part of the more general problem of finding it easier to denigrate others than actually achieve something. When the ego is threatened by someone else's success many people will respond by trash talktalkiing the tall poppy as this is much easier than improving.
Great last two sentences. The kids these days would have said "Don't yuck someone else's yum"
I think this attitude really hit the peak during the early years of bands like REM and other alternative bands in the early to mid 1980's.
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Is it immaturity, ignorance, closed-mindedness? Not cool in your social circles to like certain artists or genres? A combination of all?
Ah yes, the Mobile Disco. They appear all over the world. Often spend more money on the sound system than the car is worth.
Sign of the social media age? I dunno, seems like hating certain music has been with us for quite a while. I don't see any events like this happening today.
Quite right. I think people are way too quick to blame social media and screen time for things that have in fact been around for a long time.
Is it safe to hate Nickelback?
While I try y best to keep an open mind about music, hearing some of the trite lyrics in the music my 7-year-old daughter likes causes headaches. Sure the tunes are catchy, but the lyrics are just...well, they're just not good to my ears. But she likes those songs, so we play them in the car.
I think for me, though, it's about relating to the music and lyrics. I cannot relate to a lot of the lyrics in rap/hip hop, so it makes it tough for me to be come immersed in the music. I don't hate it at all--if that's your jam, blast it loud! I simply don't get it just as there are plenty of people who don't get why I love Pink Floyd.
And as to music relation, I have a harder time appreciating electronic music than I used to. I think that's from studying theory and taking proper lessons with a teacher to become a better bass player. Again, I don't hate electronic music, I just don't see--at the surface level--the same level of musicianship required to press buttons on a computer interface as I do fingering chords and strings, or keys on a piano. I haven't dabbled in electronic music, so I don't know if my assumption has any basis in reality (it probably doesn't).
Regardless, there is some electronic music I enjoy--I love M83 and Massive Attack-- so they're doing something that moves me that others don't.
Now I'm trying to see if I am as musically immature as I feel after writing the above.
While I try y best to keep an open mind about music, hearing some of the trite lyrics in the music my 7-year-old daughter likes causes headaches. Sure the tunes are catchy, but the lyrics are just...well, they're just not good to my ears. But she likes those songs, so we play them in the car.
I think for me, though, it's about relating to the music and lyrics. I cannot relate to a lot of the lyrics in rap/hip hop, so it makes it tough for me to be come immersed in the music. I don't hate it at all--if that's your jam, blast it loud! I simply don't get it just as there are plenty of people who don't get why I love Pink Floyd.
And as to music relation, I have a harder time appreciating electronic music than I used to. I think that's from studying theory and taking proper lessons with a teacher to become a better bass player. Again, I don't hate electronic music, I just don't see--at the surface level--the same level of musicianship required to press buttons on a computer interface as I do fingering chords and strings, or keys on a piano. I haven't dabbled in electronic music, so I don't know if my assumption has any basis in reality (it probably doesn't).
Regardless, there is some electronic music I enjoy--I love M83 and Massive Attack-- so they're doing something that moves me that others don't.
Now I'm trying to see if I am as musically immature as I feel after writing the above.
"Now I'm trying to see if I am as musically immature as I feel after writing the above." (TylerJ)
The fact that you wrote what you wrote sort of indicates you are not musically immature, at least no more than most of us are, no one's perfect.
I've always tried to listen to all types of music, but like everyone I have preferences, I think it's in part a personality thing, some things just appeal more than others. If some people only like one kind of music, one make of car, etcetera, all happiness to them, as long as they don't get all belligerent with people who don't share their views.
It seems humanity in general just can't get over the insecurity, or whatever it is, that makes us fear, distrust, even hate, the different. We can be as tribal as any group of animals defending our territory, even though we aren't dealing with issues of survival most of the time.
Man the barricades, get out the pitch forks and torches, someone likes/doesn't like tort, can't hear the difference between nitro and poly, likes Primus, or doesn't agree that some obscure jazz bassist isn't the "best ever" bassist.
Though in general most folks are pretty tolerant here, if you want tribal and aggressive try discussing tone wood, nitro v poly, ceramic v alnico, and just about anything else on most 6 string forums and see what you get.
The fact that you wrote what you wrote sort of indicates you are not musically immature, at least no more than most of us are, no one's perfect.
I've always tried to listen to all types of music, but like everyone I have preferences, I think it's in part a personality thing, some things just appeal more than others. If some people only like one kind of music, one make of car, etcetera, all happiness to them, as long as they don't get all belligerent with people who don't share their views.
It seems humanity in general just can't get over the insecurity, or whatever it is, that makes us fear, distrust, even hate, the different. We can be as tribal as any group of animals defending our territory, even though we aren't dealing with issues of survival most of the time.
Man the barricades, get out the pitch forks and torches, someone likes/doesn't like tort, can't hear the difference between nitro and poly, likes Primus, or doesn't agree that some obscure jazz bassist isn't the "best ever" bassist.
Though in general most folks are pretty tolerant here, if you want tribal and aggressive try discussing tone wood, nitro v poly, ceramic v alnico, and just about anything else on most 6 string forums and see what you get.
The herd thing is also really off-putting.
I don't get it, but a lot of folks think it's cool to hate them or Creed.
Almost not at all in Thailand, however.
I don't recall ever seeing & hearing a Thai driver playing their Music so loud that it disturbed folks in other vehicles or an entire parking lot.
Bus Drivers do sometimes play their Music too loud, which makes it a PITA to try to communicate with the purser.
Once a friend & I (both expats) were driving around with RUSH blaring & the stares we got were something else, LOL!
It was if we were the only folks in the Land of Smiles to ever blast the stereo with their windows down.
Yeah, we were being immature, but we were also drunk! (Thailand is on the opposite side of the Earth, but it might as well be on another planet)
Now this I have seen in Thailand, they actually have competitions:
but I never met one of these beasts on the streets, then again I lived in a relatively rural part of the kingdom for most of my time there
Thais have a thing called Greng-Jai, which basically means to be respectful of others.
There was a small blurb about it on one episode of The Big Bang Theory.
Literally translated it means 'fear soul', to be fearful of disturbing another soul.
This evening it was a young person in the park. We're having a walk in the park & some young dude drives by blaring Music with his windows down & probably over the speed-limit (15 mph).
I mostly have immature music arguments with my brother for fun. Like I don't care if you're a Will Smith fan, but I will never let go the fact my bro bought "Big Willy Style" when it came out.
I was surprised to see one knob blasting rap to folks in central Ubud Bali several years ago.
That turned more than a few faces.
