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My Dirt Bender - Another Jounal

As it happens, inspired by this discussion I was playing around comparing the Barbershop to the Silver Bee yesterday. I agree with your take, the Barbershop has a flatter “neutral” EQ and fuller lows…it really does feel, at the risk of using a somewhat controversial term, “transparent”. Consequently, it has wider application than the Silver Bee. I think the Bee is better in a dense mix, or for accentuating “lead bass” type parts…it helps give some definition and snarl.

Same here.

My approach is to test pedals with loops: bass only, with drums, full mix. I can also hit the inputs with the same bass line and dynamics at different volumes to get a better idea how the Drive reacts and at what threshold.

Obviously it’s a given when people say “transparent” they mean “when playing electric bass through it” and usually “when playing typical bass lines”. If you get into extended range techniques, chords and soloing up high on a 6-string with active treble boosted it could be different.

To wit, all these circuits have a notch filter effect on same frequency range; at times quite severe absent a clean blend dominant in the output.

Usually it’s really only noticeable in the range of snare ‘snap’ and cymbals.

Playing bass, agreed the Barbershop is quite transparent and passes more low-lows than the Silver Bee. Barbershop generally has a bit tighter punch too, depending how much Drive and Sag are in effect.

With higher Drive settings the Barbershop tends toward a challenged power stage sound, especially with Sag, as per its design goals presumably, while the Silver Bee approaches more of a fluttering speaker or flapping pants leg vibe.

Wth drums in the mix, and low-lows aside, the Silver Bee is more true to the signal. Subjectively people could easily prefer either one, and for the same reasons.

The real magic of Bjorn’s circuits, and why so many popular variations exist - specifically tuned to nuances of different instruments and styles - is that he is first a musician and starts with the end user and specific stylistic applications in mind, down to consdering bass cab tweeters. In other words, these work for many because he nails the baked-in goals.

The major variation is where in the mids the notch sits, and how extreme it is. For “bass” as it’d be EQ’d into a band mix, these can be made to sound essentially identical. Put a snare-hat pattern through them and no EQing will equalize the sound.

Fact that the Silver Bee tidies up the low end a bit is exactly why it’d arguably be preferable in most mixes. It’s a killer light drive and HPF - two super popular grails - all in one. The speakers and room resonance more than fills things out. Same reason the 8x10 sealed SVT cab still rules.
 
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Same here.

My approach is to test pedals with loops: bass only, with drums, full mix. I can also hit the inputs with the same bass line and dynamics at different volumes to get a better idea how the Drive reacts and at what threshold.

Obviously it’s a given when people say “transparent” they mean “when playing electric bass through it” and usually “when playing typical bass lines”. If you get into extended range techniques, chords and soloing up high on a 6-string with active treble boosted it could be different.

To wit, all these circuits have a notch filter effect on same frequency range; at times quite severe absent a clean blend dominant in the output.

Usually it’s really only noticeable in the range of snare ‘snap’ and cymbals.

Playing bass, agreed the Barbershop is quite transparent and passes more low-lows than the Silver Bee. Barbershop generally has a bit tighter punch too, depending how much Drive and Sag are in effect.

With higher Drive settings the Barbershop tends toward a challenged power stage sound, especially with Sag, as per its design goals presumably, while the Silver Bee approaches more of a fluttering speaker or flapping pants leg vibe.

Wth drums in the mix, and low-lows aside, the Silver Bee is more true to the signal. Subjectively people could easily prefer either one, and for the same reasons.

The real magic of Bjorn’s circuits, and why so many popular variations exist - specifically tuned to nuances of different instruments and styles - is that he is first a musician and starts with the end user and specific stylistic applications in mind, down to consdering bass cab tweeters. In other words, these work for many because he nails the baked-in goals.

The major variation is where in the mids the notch sits, and how extreme it is. For “bass” as it’d be EQ’d into a band mix, these can be made to sound essentially identical. Put a snare-hat pattern through them and no EQing will equalize the sound.

Fact that the Silver Bee tidies up the low end a bit is exactly why it’d arguably be preferable in most mixes. It’s a killer light drive and HPF - two super popular grails - all in one. The speakers and room resonance more than fills things out. Same reason the 8x10 sealed SVT cab still rules.

Great post, well said. :thumbsup:
 
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Interesting read, great for commuting. I'll add a few impressions of the dirt pedals I've tried this year.

My low gain/grunt pedal of choice has been the Wampler Belle as of lately. It has a lot of clarity and a nice character, I use it first after modulation (wah, flanger), before compression and other dirt and it has been always-on for the last couple of months. Also sounds great in a live mix.

For mid gain (but not just distortion yet) I've been using a Jam Pedals LucyDreamer and -a recent arrival- the Trex Bass Juice. They both both seem to be similar, yet the voice is different. It's nice to have both. They have a normal channel and a boost channel, and a blend knob. I rarely use the boost channel. Between both channels they cover a huge range of dirt. They both play great with the Belle.

I didn't bond with any of the pedals on the Darkglass range.

Also have a SolidGoldFX Beta V around. It's the second time I own that pedal. I feel like I have to tweak it constantly and I'm always close to the sound I want but I'm never able to nail it. Will leave soon.

Tried a Fuzz Goddess Bass Driver, what a POS of pedal.

Okko Motor Bass had too much gain, for that all full-on Lemmy type of sound.

Jam Pedals Tube Dreamer, I found this one a bit harsh.

Tronographic Rusty Box. This is one pedal I'd still own if the quirks of the design didn't bug me as much as they do. Nice preamp and drive combo.

Earthquaker Plumes has some interesting sounds on it, and the pedal cuts really well in the band mix. But it also cuts a lot of the bass so I ditched it.

Barbershop. I have a Modele B, and also used the v1 with guitar many moons ago. I like it, but it does cut bass.
 
Quick detour:

I don't think I've written anything about this beast here yet:
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It's made by Fjord Fuzz, and it's aptly named Fenris.
To quickly brush up your Norse mythology, Fenris is a wolf that would not stop growing. The gods were so terrified of him, they brought him to Asgard and chained him in a cave. Come Ragnarök, he will free himself and devour Odin.

This thing is a beast. There is nothing subtle to be found here. It is a fuzz, and it does not come with a clean blend. Low end loss is not a problem here. You can dial in starved sounds that lack certain frequency parts, and there are brighter sounds with lack of bass, sure. But you can also dial in more bottom end than your speakers will enjoy.

What caught my eye about this pedal was that Fjord Fuzz says they based it on a Super Fuzz circuit, but replaced the preamp bit with that of "The good old Tape Echo Machine". I was hunting for a Chase Tone Secret Preamp at that point and was experimenting with fuzz pedals for synth applications, so I thought it might be a nice addition and pulled the trigger.
The controls on this thing are anything but intuitive. Instead of words, or single letters, they used symbols.

"dB" is volume and the raygun is gain. This is the easy bit.

The Halfmoon and the inverted heart symbols control a notch filter, halfmoon does the mix, inverted heart the frequency. Then there's a BIAS for the octave marked with a triangle, and finally, there is a shroom that will control the BIAS Gate.
Does it sound like a gated octave fuzz? No, not really. At least not in the classical sense.
Does it sound like a beefed up Super Fuzz? Occasionally, but also, not really.

It sounds, plays and feels like a wild animal that is not exactly "hard to tame". It is impossible to tame.
This thing is feral. You can just ride along and hope for the best.

It clearly is a bass capable fuzz, if not a bass fuzz. But it excels at getting you a dirt sound that is above and beyond, and sounds a little bit kaputt, but with a massive low end if you so desire.
I could see some use in that if you're playing contemporary doom or sludge and already have a drive sound and a heavy drive sound, but need something extra for the really hard parts.

This is not for the faint of heart. This is for those that want a second fuzz, because their Big Muff variant is too soft.
 
Back on topic:

I remember that there have been some iterations of the Barbershop.
There is the v1 in the large enclosure and the v2 in the smaller one, but IIRC, they did something to the v2 at some point. Internal trim pot to control something? All I remember is that I had one of the early v2 versions and thought to myself that if I ever sell this and get another one further down the line, I make sure it is the later one with whatever it is that I thought it lacked. Any experts here to tell me what that was and how to identify which is which?


One thing I'd like to add concerning Barbershop vs. Silver Bee:
I had the feeling that the Barbershop, in a manner of speaking, drags the dirt into the signal chain while the Silver Bee pushes it. You can feel it on the attack of a note.
The Barbershop tries to let that initial sound clean and true, and then gets overwhelmed by the effort and starts to distort.
 
I think the difference between the V1 and the V2 Barbershop was that the hpf in the V1 was at 40Hz vs 20Hz in the V2, but I’m a little hazy on that front. Early V2s also had internal trimmers to adjust the transistor biasing, but these were removed in later versions. Nevertheless, due to parts variations and slight differences in the factory biasing, as well as drifting component values over time, there are often subtle differences between pedals. Real corksniffers have tried several different Barbershops before settling on a favourite (a bit like guitarists back in the day who used to play through multiple fuzz pedals of the same type before settling on the one they preferred), although there might be an element of confirmation bias at play….

@AxisBoldAsLove is a bit of an aficionado when it comes to the Barbershop
 
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I read (here in the Jounal?) about "artwork on the inside" of BJFe pedals, so I had a look inside this one.
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It seems to picture a Bear holding a basket of berries.
In German, Bear translates to Bär.
Berry translates to Beere, which in turn sounds so close to Bär that multiple puns exist, especially since the plural (Bären and Beeren) is even more similar.

Now I looked up the Swedish translations:

English: Berry
German: Beere
Swedish: Bär




English: Bear
German: Bär
Swedish: Björn
 
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Anxiously awaiting to see if this near-mythical pedal can compensate for the near-cardinal sin that @el murdoque calls "side jacks"!

I've been known to tolerate them if and only if the result more than makes up for the pain of side-jacking a pedal.

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Here you see it pictured with its side jacked friends that somehow made the cut even though they also have the same terrible design flaw. IIRC, the BB Preamp (that hides in the lower tier of my Schmidt Array and is therefore not pictured) has the same problem.
For a passionate side jack hater, I have accumulated quite a stock of tolerance to endure so many of them in my presence.
 
Ah, I nearly forgot!

I played the Blueberry, too!
Should anyone sit on the edge of their seat and anxiously chew fingernails, absolutely unable to deal with the anticipation, here's some relief up front: I absolutely adore it!
Now, with that out of the way, prepare to get washed away by a tide of words.

I plugged it into my test bench and fired everything up, then played a bit on the Bongo to get used to the clean sound and adjust my ears, then I hit the foot switch and tried the knobs.
Upper left, labeled V: Make a guess. Yes. Volume. No surprises here.

Upper right, labeled D: I'm gonna go with "Drive". Still passes signal with the knob at 0, but increases the
crunchy bits when turned CW, also slightly raises the volume. This is a drive knob, at least I hope I got that one right.

Lower left, labeled B: Now we're getting to the less obvious. Just from listening, I would suggest that this knob decides how much low end is fed into the clipping stage - or how hard the low end is allowed to make the clippers clip. When you have everything about halfway up and then sweep through the B knob while playing an open E, it acts a bit like a gain knob, CCW is clean and CW is distorted. The distortion gets a bit unpleasant within the last quarter of the turn, quite fizzy and artificial sounding.

Lower right, labeled T: Since I had some email correspondence with Björn and he said that the 4 knob BBs have a treble knob that is boost only and out of the circuit when fully CCW, and none of the other knobs did anything like that, I'm gonna go with Treble. It is not super obvious and a far cry from that knob that turns up the topmost range to amplify finger noise and such, it is indeed quite subtle in my setup.

Twisting the knobs a bit, I quickly found a sweet spot with the drive set fairly high, the B knob set to around 11 o'clock and the T knob maxed. There is a solid amount of dynamic response, but ... let me try and explain it like this: One of the most touch sensitive pedals I ever played is the Origin DCX Bass. This reminds me of polished steel (the kind used in hospital gear). Highly accurate, like a scalpel (to remain in the hospital context). While the dynamic response of the Origin feels like cutting tissue with a scalpel, the dynamic response of the Blueberry feels like fist-punching a sponge. Or maybe a bunch of very ripe blueberries wrapped tightly in a bag made of the finest silk ( Disclaimer: I have cut tissue with a scalpel, but I've never actually put a bunch of over ripe blueberries into a silken bag and punched it with my fist. I would like to, though).
The range of gain that is available is somewhat limited with the pedal placed early in the chain and fed an instrument level signal. The Bongo with it's 18V preamp punches hard enough, but with my Le Fay I could easily max out the drive knob to get 'there'.
How does it sound? It sounds great. You're looking for that subtle hint of drive, reminiscent of a tube amp that is turned way up - when you want a super loud clean sound and have to sacrifice a bit of clarity to gain that last bit of volume before it breaks up completely - this quality that is achieved through the power amp tubes rather than overdriving the preamp stage? Yeah, you can expect some of that.
The low end refuses to drop out, but there is something happening in the mids.
They get agitated like a bunch of kids who woke up at 5:30 on Christmas morning and know that it's too early to wake the parents but it's too late to go back to sleep. So they lie in their beds, quietly trembling, counting off the seconds. This brings forward the whole of the tone and if you match your boring old clean signal and the glorious Blueberry signal by ear alone, you might go a little low on the BB signal and then think the lows are dropping a bit.
For a complete and exhausting description of all the treble stuff, a single word is sufficient: Smooth.

I only tested solo playing, with my active and passive six strings, the BB first in chain, so some of what I'm describing here may change when I toy around with placement and mix the bass with other instruments, but that remains to be seen.

So, a velvety smooth low gain drive that has the midrange shaken up like a piñata on Pete Rose's birthday party. What makes it special? Well, special'er than that? I have amassed a modest amount of cork sniffer's delight drive pedals since I started this here Jounal, so what has this Björn Juhl soldered together on a long Swedish winter night that cannot be easily replicated in garage boutique workshops around the globe?
Remember I said it's like punching a sponge? There is that juicy, spongy feel of how it responds to how you hit and release a note. Even with no audible distortion, the note you hit somehow transforms and it feels like there is MORE of it. You hit it harder, it squeezes out more of the sweet juice. But it's actually more like standing in front of an infinite line of freshly packed silken berry packs, because every time you punch, you get the feeling of punching that bag for the first time. No sloppy seconds.
The very thing I was drooling over when playing the Fake Plastic Trees, that is absent in most other pedals is to be found here again. Did I say the very thing? That is absolutely not true. The FPT feels completely different to the fingers, but that idea, that quality is there, and it's the same amount of it, even though it manifests in a different way. Your fingers dig a new channel to your ears and connect in an unfamiliar, yet pleasant way.
You feel your dynamics shift and transform based on what you hear and you want to squeeze the perfect amount of saturation out of every note. When playing for a few minutes without toying around on the settings,
the feeling gets familiar and the response is more than predictable, and it becomes second nature playing that pedal.
Switch it off and you feel like you come from the German Autobahn (that road with no speed limit whatsoever) and have to drive city limits again.




I'm off to the garage now - looking for scrap wood. I need to build two shrines. One for the BlueBerry Bass OD and one for Björn Juhl.
 
There are top jack 125B Minis.

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(but you probably know that already haha)

I'm also a fan of the Fenris too (well all Super Fuzzes I think). I have the Fenris on my dedicated bass board and a 76 MkII and Witchfinder on my big board. Super Fuzz into Super Fuzz with Super Fuzz in parallel opens a gate to hell.

Yeah, I do know that. Do you want to trade yours?
I thought so.

The Mini is hard to get as is, but it's been a while since I've seen one with top jacks for sale.

However, I do also own a Noise Space Audio Piggy and that does a lot of what the Mini does. With top jacks :-)

But if you're really doing Super Fuzz into Super Fuzz with a parallel blend of Super Fuzz I'm not talking to you. I'm calling the Police. I heard that churches in a 6,66 mile radius catch fire. You could hurt people.
 
Ah, I nearly forgot!

I played the Blueberry, too!
Should anyone sit on the edge of their seat and anxiously chew fingernails, absolutely unable to deal with the anticipation, here's some relief up front: I absolutely adore it!
Now, with that out of the way, prepare to get washed away by a tide of words.

I plugged it into my test bench and fired everything up, then played a bit on the Bongo to get used to the clean sound and adjust my ears, then I hit the foot switch and tried the knobs.
Upper left, labeled V: Make a guess. Yes. Volume. No surprises here.

Upper right, labeled D: I'm gonna go with "Drive". Still passes signal with the knob at 0, but increases the
crunchy bits when turned CW, also slightly raises the volume. This is a drive knob, at least I hope I got that one right.

Lower left, labeled B: Now we're getting to the less obvious. Just from listening, I would suggest that this knob decides how much low end is fed into the clipping stage - or how hard the low end is allowed to make the clippers clip. When you have everything about halfway up and then sweep through the B knob while playing an open E, it acts a bit like a gain knob, CCW is clean and CW is distorted. The distortion gets a bit unpleasant within the last quarter of the turn, quite fizzy and artificial sounding.

Lower right, labeled T: Since I had some email correspondence with Björn and he said that the 4 knob BBs have a treble knob that is boost only and out of the circuit when fully CCW, and none of the other knobs did anything like that, I'm gonna go with Treble. It is not super obvious and a far cry from that knob that turns up the topmost range to amplify finger noise and such, it is indeed quite subtle in my setup.

Twisting the knobs a bit, I quickly found a sweet spot with the drive set fairly high, the B knob set to around 11 o'clock and the T knob maxed. There is a solid amount of dynamic response, but ... let me try and explain it like this: One of the most touch sensitive pedals I ever played is the Origin DCX Bass. This reminds me of polished steel (the kind used in hospital gear). Highly accurate, like a scalpel (to remain in the hospital context). While the dynamic response of the Origin feels like cutting tissue with a scalpel, the dynamic response of the Blueberry feels like fist-punching a sponge. Or maybe a bunch of very ripe blueberries wrapped tightly in a bag made of the finest silk ( Disclaimer: I have cut tissue with a scalpel, but I've never actually put a bunch of over ripe blueberries into a silken bag and punched it with my fist. I would like to, though).
The range of gain that is available is somewhat limited with the pedal placed early in the chain and fed an instrument level signal. The Bongo with it's 18V preamp punches hard enough, but with my Le Fay I could easily max out the drive knob to get 'there'.
How does it sound? It sounds great. You're looking for that subtle hint of drive, reminiscent of a tube amp that is turned way up - when you want a super loud clean sound and have to sacrifice a bit of clarity to gain that last bit of volume before it breaks up completely - this quality that is achieved through the power amp tubes rather than overdriving the preamp stage? Yeah, you can expect some of that.
The low end refuses to drop out, but there is something happening in the mids.
They get agitated like a bunch of kids who woke up at 5:30 on Christmas morning and know that it's too early to wake the parents but it's too late to go back to sleep. So they lie in their beds, quietly trembling, counting off the seconds. This brings forward the whole of the tone and if you match your boring old clean signal and the glorious Blueberry signal by ear alone, you might go a little low on the BB signal and then think the lows are dropping a bit.
For a complete and exhausting description of all the treble stuff, a single word is sufficient: Smooth.

I only tested solo playing, with my active and passive six strings, the BB first in chain, so some of what I'm describing here may change when I toy around with placement and mix the bass with other instruments, but that remains to be seen.

So, a velvety smooth low gain drive that has the midrange shaken up like a piñata on Pete Rose's birthday party. What makes it special? Well, special'er than that? I have amassed a modest amount of cork sniffer's delight drive pedals since I started this here Jounal, so what has this Björn Juhl soldered together on a long Swedish winter night that cannot be easily replicated in garage boutique workshops around the globe?
Remember I said it's like punching a sponge? There is that juicy, spongy feel of how it responds to how you hit and release a note. Even with no audible distortion, the note you hit somehow transforms and it feels like there is MORE of it. You hit it harder, it squeezes out more of the sweet juice. But it's actually more like standing in front of an infinite line of freshly packed silken berry packs, because every time you punch, you get the feeling of punching that bag for the first time. No sloppy seconds.
The very thing I was drooling over when playing the Fake Plastic Trees, that is absent in most other pedals is to be found here again. Did I say the very thing? That is absolutely not true. The FPT feels completely different to the fingers, but that idea, that quality is there, and it's the same amount of it, even though it manifests in a different way. Your fingers dig a new channel to your ears and connect in an unfamiliar, yet pleasant way.
You feel your dynamics shift and transform based on what you hear and you want to squeeze the perfect amount of saturation out of every note. When playing for a few minutes without toying around on the settings,
the feeling gets familiar and the response is more than predictable, and it becomes second nature playing that pedal.
Switch it off and you feel like you come from the German Autobahn (that road with no speed limit whatsoever) and have to drive city limits again.




I'm off to the garage now - looking for scrap wood. I need to build two shrines. One for the BlueBerry Bass OD and one for Björn Juhl.

Yeah…knew you wouldn’t be disappointed. It certainly exceeded my expectations.
 
Yeah…knew you wouldn’t be disappointed. It certainly exceeded my expectations.

I was really wondering if the people here in this thread did not pile it a little too high. I mean I already come with a high bar, but that was significantly raised in the last few days - and yet. Phew, what a great little device.

I wonder what it would have been like if I'd bought it very early, on page 1 or 2 of the Jounal. Would I have gone "okay, this is it" and quit?

I like to think that there is a "cork sniffing" aspect to it, an acquired taste. You can give a great wine that is worth a fortune to a person that has no real experience with wine (apart from getting hammered on the cheap stuff during college parties) and they will drink it and go "Yup, that's a fine wine".
You could give that wine to someone who dedicated their last decade to wine tasting - and they would weep tears of joy, drinking the same stuff.
 
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The Mini is hard to get as is, but it's been a while since I've seen one with top jacks for sale.

However, I do also own a Noise Space Audio Piggy and that does a lot of what the Mini does. With top jacks :)

I've been eyeing the Piggy and other clones, I think it'd be nice to have two Minis, one early in the dirt chain, and one later. Maybe another for my small board too hah.
 
I was really wondering if the people here in this thread did not pile it a little too high. I mean I already come with a high bar, but that was significantly raised in the last few days - and yet. Phew, what a great little device.

I wonder what it would have been like if I'd bought it very early, on page 1 or 2 of the Jounal. Would I have gone "okay, this is it" and quit?

I like to think that there is a "cork sniffing" aspect to it, an acquired taste. You can give a great wine that is worth a fortune to a person that has no real experience with wine (apart from getting hammered on the cheap stuff during college parties) and they will drink it and go "Yup, that's a fine wine".
You could give that wine to someone who dedicated their last decade to wine tasting - and they would weep tears of joy, drinking the same stuff.

I think you probably appreciate it more having sampled a wide variety of other dirt already. That way, you can enjoy its subtleties and how well it satisfies the design objectives. Your alcohol analogy is spot on, it’s a bit like finally tasting a top shelf whisky or wine after spending years drinking a variety of others of varying quality…it has a whole extra layer of complexity that your palate has by this time acquired enough experience to truly appreciate.
 
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I've done another run, this time with a backing track.
Interestingly, my estimates were completely off when I played in a mix:
I am used to having a bedroom tone that lets you enjoy all the subtle nuances of a barely there drive, but once it is introduced to a mix, it's completely swallowed and you need to crank the gain higher to have the drive tone audible. Not so the Blueberry.
The way the drive sits (remember everyone talking about how the mids are special?), makes it stand out in the mix and you're more likely to dial it back a little bit instead of cranking it harder.
My Le Fay has a tone that I often describe as wooden and organic. The Blueberry does enhance that character and makes it woodier and more organic.
 
I've done another run, this time with a backing track.
Interestingly, my estimates were completely off when I played in a mix:
I am used to having a bedroom tone that lets you enjoy all the subtle nuances of a barely there drive, but once it is introduced to a mix, it's completely swallowed and you need to crank the gain higher to have the drive tone audible. Not so the Blueberry.
The way the drive sits (remember everyone talking about how the mids are special?), makes it stand out in the mix and you're more likely to dial it back a little bit instead of cranking it harder.
My Le Fay has a tone that I often describe as wooden and organic. The Blueberry does enhance that character and makes it woodier and more organic.

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I've done another run, this time with a backing track.
Interestingly, my estimates were completely off when I played in a mix:
I am used to having a bedroom tone that lets you enjoy all the subtle nuances of a barely there drive, but once it is introduced to a mix, it's completely swallowed and you need to crank the gain higher to have the drive tone audible. Not so the Blueberry.
The way the drive sits (remember everyone talking about how the mids are special?), makes it stand out in the mix and you're more likely to dial it back a little bit instead of cranking it harder.
My Le Fay has a tone that I often describe as wooden and organic. The Blueberry does enhance that character and makes it woodier and more organic.

mans soon you will decry things like the source audio aftershock… you will go ooo it’s 99% of the way there. And in a blind test probably can’t spit the difference… but the feel and extra layer of goodness sometimes just wins out with a boutique pedal that’s tailored to perfection… it’s like the mastotron… nothing feels or sounds EXACTLY like it except a mastotron (or a clone of one in a proper regular vertical box ;) )…
I dare say you are now ruined and cannot go back now your palate has been experienced