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My guitar Player is Drowning Me
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I'm no stranger to loud music, powerful amps, large cabs, thundering drummers, or deaf guitar players. Diming the amp is never the solution. Their ears can adjust to me.
We were pretty much top drawing band at The Crazy Horse.
The place legally seats like 240. Our record attendance there was over 700 people in one night.
National acts playing The Bayou would come to see us because of the line down the street waiting to get in.
5 medlied 40's 200 minutes of music every night, 6-7 nights a week.
The place legally seats like 240. Our record attendance there was over 700 people in one night.
National acts playing The Bayou would come to see us because of the line down the street waiting to get in.
5 medlied 40's 200 minutes of music every night, 6-7 nights a week.
Sartori,
Fine, you like to play loud. I get it. You are allowed to like what you like.
Here's where we part ways. Lets go back to the OP's original problem. (Does anyone remember that after all the rest of this BS?) The OP is not in an incredibly loud band. Not all of the band has the gear to even play all that loud. He has an incredibly loud guitar player and drummer. Two guys in that band seem to not give a rats booty whether or not they can even hear the rest of the band. Clearly, if the OP can't hear himself, they can't either. By not backing off, they are proving that they simply don't care what the entire band sounds like. They only care what they individually sound like. To plow through at "stadium volumes" during rehearsal, when (at present) the bass player can't keep up with those volumes, proves that they are on an ego trip. Period.
Sure, if the OP wants to stay in the band, he needs to come up with the gear to keep up. He's working on it. For those two douchebags not to back down in rehearsal until the OP can catch up volume wise proves they have the musical maturity of my 5 year old daughter. She has a guitar. She holds it and bangs it as loud as she can. #$%& music. She just wants to be loud. (In her case, it's cute......... because she is five years old.) For those guys, it isn't cute. It is proof that they are going to do what pleases them no matter how that affects the rest of the band. Are they getting anything accomplished at those rehearsals? Are they tightening up the band if they can't even hear everyone in the room? (Answer: No. Of course not.)
So, play loud if you want. Go nuts. But if some members of the band couldn't care less what the rest of the band is doing, that is a musical maturity problem. As long as you are all working as a unit, fine. If not, what exactly are you accomplishing? (Answer: exactly nothing)
As for whether or not something can be "wrong" in music...... Let one of your very own band members play about 450 WRONG NOTES during one show, and then come back and tell us how awesome it was because he was doing his own thing. Let him go off on a "jazz odyssey" while the rest of you are playing a well-organized song and then come back here and tell me what isn't "wrong".
Fine, you like to play loud. I get it. You are allowed to like what you like.
Here's where we part ways. Lets go back to the OP's original problem. (Does anyone remember that after all the rest of this BS?) The OP is not in an incredibly loud band. Not all of the band has the gear to even play all that loud. He has an incredibly loud guitar player and drummer. Two guys in that band seem to not give a rats booty whether or not they can even hear the rest of the band. Clearly, if the OP can't hear himself, they can't either. By not backing off, they are proving that they simply don't care what the entire band sounds like. They only care what they individually sound like. To plow through at "stadium volumes" during rehearsal, when (at present) the bass player can't keep up with those volumes, proves that they are on an ego trip. Period.
Sure, if the OP wants to stay in the band, he needs to come up with the gear to keep up. He's working on it. For those two douchebags not to back down in rehearsal until the OP can catch up volume wise proves they have the musical maturity of my 5 year old daughter. She has a guitar. She holds it and bangs it as loud as she can. #$%& music. She just wants to be loud. (In her case, it's cute......... because she is five years old.) For those guys, it isn't cute. It is proof that they are going to do what pleases them no matter how that affects the rest of the band. Are they getting anything accomplished at those rehearsals? Are they tightening up the band if they can't even hear everyone in the room? (Answer: No. Of course not.)
So, play loud if you want. Go nuts. But if some members of the band couldn't care less what the rest of the band is doing, that is a musical maturity problem. As long as you are all working as a unit, fine. If not, what exactly are you accomplishing? (Answer: exactly nothing)
As for whether or not something can be "wrong" in music...... Let one of your very own band members play about 450 WRONG NOTES during one show, and then come back and tell us how awesome it was because he was doing his own thing. Let him go off on a "jazz odyssey" while the rest of you are playing a well-organized song and then come back here and tell me what isn't "wrong".
Sure at some point being loud is selfish but when does the OP get his share?
The OP expressed a want to be louder and you people are telling him go home and play with himself.
Maybe he's friends with the drummer and guitarist and likes their "selfish musical maturity" level?
I sure hope he can enjoy making music after all of this grandstanding.
The OP expressed a want to be louder and you people are telling him go home and play with himself.
Maybe he's friends with the drummer and guitarist and likes their "selfish musical maturity" level?
I sure hope he can enjoy making music after all of this grandstanding.
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i also love instrumental bands
there seems to be two camps on this thread (which has been hijacked): those from both the loud/quiet jam point of view that say jam however you want as long as the band is on the same page with communication being key. the other camp is the "do what i do because my opinion is fact". i do not like the second camp.
Some things just don't make scientific sense, regardless of how much support there is for them.
To each his zone.
To each his zone.
Big Brother touched on it yesterday. This roast is cooked. There is no point in going on, except to say, 'Go forth and prosper'.
Understand this.
Out of 100's of thousands of bands, less than 1% succeed even after landing a contract with label support.
1%
For every amateur wannabe, you are up against artists who do want it bad enough and are willing to bust their butts
against all odds to make it.
They may start with whatever gear they can throw together, but as the act matures, everyone in that band is expected
to have professional and reliable gear and a professional attitude to go with it.
You can listen to people consumed with impressing beginners with gotcha smart ass rips or someone
who had 7 labels show up at their first New York showcase when he was 19.
Out of 100's of thousands of bands, less than 1% succeed even after landing a contract with label support.
1%
For every amateur wannabe, you are up against artists who do want it bad enough and are willing to bust their butts
against all odds to make it.
They may start with whatever gear they can throw together, but as the act matures, everyone in that band is expected
to have professional and reliable gear and a professional attitude to go with it.
You can listen to people consumed with impressing beginners with gotcha smart ass rips or someone
who had 7 labels show up at their first New York showcase when he was 19.
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