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My HORRIBLE Alleva-Coppolo experience...

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joe vegas said:
the fact that this thread is making its way to the top of google searches seems to be getting the young-uns all squishy-giggly..

it's becoming about that, about the artificial novelty and lip-smacking fetish of google stats and placements... really no different than the gleam in a well-paid PR person's eye when they see their pop-star client's calculated antics rocket to the top of a search. life as google analytics.

well, at least those two notorious houseguests, "hilarious"® and "ridiculous"®, havent' been invoked yet.

maybe better to spend our remaining time on earth practicing our instruments, and let jimmy and the OP sort this serious issue out. follow-ups by both of them are sure to come, in this story-of-the-decade.

i'm an AC owner, i have his prototype 6, and it's an excellent bass. many others believe his build quality and sound to be superb. that's why guys dig his stuff.
some guys have had problems with some of his stuff. that's pretty well documented as well.
the OP has definite issues with his particular instrument, without question. Jimmy likely has thoughts on the situation as well. here's hoping the situation can be resolved soon.
meanwhile, an anxious watches and waits.
and checks the google stats with hand-rubbing glee.
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What ever dude( rubbing hands gleefully )
 
#665
ggvicviper said:
Addison, one more thing...

Call it minor, but if you're gonna do more videos of your playing after this, would you mind not flipping your viewers the bird?
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YouTube Description said:
Uploaded on May 2, 2010

Some dude on the internet told me there's no way I could ever play this song (or anything on Hemispheres, for that matter), so I took a couple of hours and learned this... just to prove him wrong. That's who I'm flipping off at the end. :-)
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Probably not too common of a thing in his videos, though I haven't seen any others.....:hiding:
 
#668
FWIW, while there are problems all over this bass, clearly depicted in the photos, the image that bothers me the most is the second photo of the back of the lower horn. That lower horn was never properly shaped in the first place. This is not a buffing or finish sanding problem. This is a problem with how the lower horn was rough-shaped, which should have been caught at any of several steps that followed. Disturbing.
 
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Hope this doesn't seem too far out of context, but the mention that Mr AC recently added a CNC machine brought to mind a situation I had a few years ago.

I made custom knives by hand for a few years, was doing pretty well, and decided to improve my products with the addition of a 3 axis CNC mill. The learning curve was a bit steeper than I'd anticipated, and shut me down to the point that I designed a new model of knife, both because of the increased potential of the CNC technology, and the fact that I couldn't take the time to digitize and program the parts I'd been making by hand. The new knives were exceptional (in my opinion) and received a lot of praise from the knife collecting community.

However, my sales dropped considerably. In asking for opinions among the other makers and collectors, the consensus was that while the new knives were pretty good, even better than my hand made ones, they weren't handmade, and therefore of lesser value. Lesson learned, the hard way, though I continued to put out a quality product until I gave it up entirely.

I'm wondering if Mr AC has had similar issues, and that in the changing of location and the move to CNC, is so distracted by major problems we couldn't be aware of, that a big mistake like this was allowed to happen.

Best wishes for a satisfactory resolution to this, for all parties involved.

Tom
 
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Interesting. I've discovered that "hand-made" does not always equal better. In fact, it usually means imperfect, which some people like. I'm a bit of a perfectionist, and I'll take machined precision over handmade any day.
 
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tr4252 said:
I'm wondering if Mr AC has had similar issues, and that in the changing of location and the move to CNC, is so distracted by major problems we couldn't be aware of, that a big mistake like this was allowed to happen.

Best wishes for a satisfactory resolution to this, for all parties involved.

Tom
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It's definitely possible to "gouge" a part using a CNC if the programming isn't spot on.

I feel so bad for this man...hope things are made right.
 
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tr4252 said:
Hope this doesn't seem too far out of context, but the mention that Mr AC recently added a CNC machine brought to mind a situation I had a few years ago.

I made custom knives by hand for a few years, was doing pretty well, and decided to improve my products with the addition of a 3 axis CNC mill. The learning curve was a bit steeper than I'd anticipated, and shut me down to the point that I designed a new model of knife, both because of the increased potential of the CNC technology, and the fact that I couldn't take the time to digitize and program the parts I'd been making by hand. The new knives were exceptional (in my opinion) and received a lot of praise from the knife collecting community.

However, my sales dropped considerably. In asking for opinions among the other makers and collectors, the consensus was that while the new knives were pretty good, even better than my hand made ones, they weren't handmade, and therefore of lesser value. Lesson learned, the hard way, though I continued to put out a quality product until I gave it up entirely.

I'm wondering if Mr AC has had similar issues, and that in the changing of location and the move to CNC, is so distracted by major problems we couldn't be aware of, that a big mistake like this was allowed to happen.

Best wishes for a satisfactory resolution to this, for all parties involved.

Tom
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Very relevant situation, and I wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy's story is similar.
 
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vision said:
Very relevant situation, and I wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy's story is similar.
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true but the real issue here is that the OP got a messed up bass for 5K and was told that the item was correctly represented and that he is SOL on getting a refund. Does not matter if the builder is learning how to use a CNC machine or bought a new fangled Japanese saw, he is handling his customer wrong.
 
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vision said:
Very relevant situation, and I wouldn't be surprised if Jimmy's story is similar.
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Yup. Again, this builder could largely redeem himself with an apology, an explanation and......a refund. That would be the "class act" thing to do. Doing nothing would be the "shoot yourself in the foot" thing to do. Ball is in AC's court. The gallery is looking on.
 
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joeyl said:
true but the real issue here is that the OP got a messed up bass for 5K and was told that the item was correctly represented and that he is SOL on getting a refund. Does not matter if the builder is learning how to use a CNC machine or bought a new fangled Japanese saw, he is handling his customer wrong.
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Exactly, and that's the point we need to keep reiterating here.
 
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