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NCAA Football - 2011

#421
Eublet said:
No, I don't admit that at all. I admit that he sucks in front of the media, and his mouth gets away from him. I agree that he made a huge mistake in saying that, and that it has caused him a lot of grief. However, I also believe that he had actually NO intention of being the coach at Alabama at that time. The records of what was going on with Mal Moore traveling to Miami after that, plus all the recounts of how the deal was done, support this. He was a coach working on finishing his NFL season, and was ticked off at the media for constantly asking him about Alabama rumors when no interviews or discussions had been had. That's a far cry from lying to intentionally decieve someone.
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The recounts of how the deal was done show his agent talking to Alabama BEFORE he made his statement.

Eublet said:
You remember Tubberville? Remember he said he wouldn't leave Ole Miss unless it was in a pine box? Next year he was the coach at Auburn. Was he a liar?
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Of course he was a liar.
 
#422
Smokin' Toaster said:
I think it's clear now that if Nick Saban was molesting children, Eublet would insist that the children were whores and had it coming to them. It's quite a common attitude in the Bama nation.
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Slow down bro. Eublet is good people, so please don't insinuate such a disgusting thing on someone. Really, saying things like that is uncalled for, football aside.

-Mike
 
#423
MJ5150 said:
Slow down bro. Eublet is good people, so please don't insinuate such a disgusting thing on someone. Really, saying things like that is uncalled for, football aside.

-Mike
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Right you are. I will soften and depersonalize it as shown below:

If Nick Saban was eating children, many in the Bama nation would insist that the children had it coming to them. It's quite a common attitude in the Bama nation.
 
#426
aborgman said:
The recounts of how the deal was done show his agent talking to Alabama BEFORE he made his statement.
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That's Jimmy Sexton, who represents most everyone. He's always talking to people and starting deals. It's common place. I'm good friends with a sports agent...really good friends. He's not nearly the calibur with Sexton, but this is common place. Agents are always working deals even before the coaches are approached. It's the way it works. They're fattening their own pocketbooks also.

Seriously, this was a media frenzy. Most coaching shifts aren't. If you think Saban's departure is any different from any other, I think you should reconsider. Look at Chizik's departure. He even talks about it in his new book. It was horrible, but since Chizik was a nobody at the time, coming from a nowhere school, and going to Auburn which isn't a powerhouse traditionally and doesn't garner the media attention, it went under the radar. People change jobs, and give 2 week notices. It's how things go. In football, that makes them liars and all sorts of other things I suppose. I just don't see it that way. Never have.
 
#427
MJ5150 said:
Wow, really bro? It's just football. Or maybe you're just talking smack and I'm taking your comments too seriously?

-Mike
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Spent any time in Alabama among Alabama fans? Did you notice that Eublet is saying that he won't call Nick Saban a liar, and his words were not a lie, and "everyone does it", and overrecruiting is perfectly fine?

It's not a game with them. It's a Religion, and they are the crusaders. The rules apply to the others, not the Crimson Tide.
 
#428
Eublet said:
That's Jimmy Sexton, who represents most everyone. He's always talking to people and starting deals. It's common place. I'm good friends with a sports agent...really good friends. He's not nearly the calibur with Sexton, but this is common place. Agents are always working deals even before the coaches are approached. It's the way it works. They're fattening their own pocketbooks also.

Seriously, this was a media frenzy. Most coaching shifts aren't. If you think Saban's departure is any different from any other, I think you should reconsider. Look at Chizik's departure. He even talks about it in his new book. It was horrible, but since Chizik was a nobody at the time, coming from a nowhere school, and going to Auburn which isn't a powerhouse traditionally and doesn't garner the media attention, it went under the radar. People change jobs, and give 2 week notices. It's how things go. In football, that makes them liars and all sorts of other things I suppose. I just don't see it that way. Never have.
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A big 'ol roll tide excuse for every fact.

Let me sell you a bass, swear I'm going to send it, then not send it and spend your money. It won't be lying, cause I'll just yell ROLL TIDE!!! That willl make it OK, right? If it will make it better for you, I'll put on a Nick Saban mask while I take oath after oath that I sent the bass. Happens all the time. Everybody does it.
 
#431
aborgman said:
Because the very concept is unethical.

Just because one agrees to allow someone to screw them doesn't mean it ain't a screwin'.
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This makes no sense. If a kid really wants to play at Alabama under Nick Saban, and he's not going to get a scholarship offer unless he agress to grayshirt, how is he getting screwed? It's his choice to make. He can deny it and go to another school he would less prefer if he wants. If Alabama doesn't offer him the gray shirt, he has no choice at all. I don't see how this could be construed as getting screwed? :confused:
 
#435
Eublet said:
This makes no sense. If a kid really wants to play at Alabama under Nick Saban, and he's not going to get a scholarship offer unless he agress to grayshirt, how is he getting screwed? It's his choice to make. He can deny it and go to another school he would less prefer if he wants. If Alabama doesn't offer him the gray shirt, he has no choice at all. I don't see how this could be construed as getting screwed? :confused:
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Well - generally grey shirts don't know they're getting grey shirted at the time they sign their LOI... and once it's signed, they're stuck.

The school can back out on them at any time, but once they sign the LOI they're committed.


Stuff like this is the more common scenario:

Harrison Jones was ready for his first year of college football.

The tight end from Memphis, the younger brother of Alabama starting guard Barrett Jones, signed with the Crimson Tide the first week of February. He arrived at Alabama and moved into the dorm the last week of May.

He earned three A's in the classroom this summer. He also excelled in the summer conditioning program.

Having muscled up to 250 pounds on his 6-foot-4 frame, Jones was ready to hit the field for the start of fall camp.

Instead, he got blindsided.

Because another 2010 signee, Blake Sims, received his academic clearance from the NCAA at the last minute, the Alabama roster was in danger of exceeding the limit of incoming signees.

So Jones was asked to delay his enrollment until January. He had to move out of the dorm, and he won't be on an athletic scholarship until next semester. He can't practice with the team, work out with the team or travel with the team.

Alabama informed Harrison Jones before he signed that a grayshirt was a possibility, but he didn't have a lot of options when Alabama asked him to do it at the last minute.

He couldn't become a walk-on and stay on the team that way because he was a recruited student-athlete. He couldn't become a redshirt and stay on the team that way because he would count against the 25/85 scholarship numbers, which wouldn't solve Alabama's problem.
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LSU backed itself into a corner when it signed 27 players in February and all 27 qualified academically, three of them very late.

One LSU signee who was asked to grayshirt, lineman Elliott Porter, declined the offer and asked for his release to transfer. LSU had the decency to grant the release, while hoping he would reconsider, but Porter had planned to play for the Tigers for a long time.

He'd been on campus all summer. His plans changed through no fault of his own.
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#438
Eublet said:
Says it all right there. That's when it became the recruit's choice.
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Sorry - but telling a kid "you might get greyshirted after you sign on, enroll, and practice for 3 months if someone better happens to academically qualify" is just plain dirty.

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Never mind the fact that Nick Saban averages about 3 medical scholarships per year, which is about the average for the ENTIRE Big10 combined.
 

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