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NCD - BNA Audio Greenboy Dually

I had a comment along the lines of "They only way to make this cab look better is to put these guys next to it..." :ninja:

But then I would have to post pictures of how my 1515/66/1 transforms from show piece to made of solid gold simply by placing me next to it.

Have at it ! I used to be a pretty boy. Now I walk in this battle scarred carcass with pride. I am living proof that you can have a whole lot of fun in life while skirting organ donations and hair transplants ! :hiding:
 
Looks super. Congratulations.

Just don't think I'd be brave enough to give anyone free reign over appearance and cosmetics.

Only one thing I wouldn't be 100% comfortable with. That's the strap handles. Think I'd want recessed metal.

Giving up creative control is not generally easy for me. It was easy with Mark as I didn't see any silliness with design cosmetics. He knew that I loved the cab that he did for Chris, so he didn't stray too far from that design.

If I hadn't let Mark do his thing, I would probably be rocking black on black. Frankly, I was ready for something a bit different. Not better or worse, just NOT black.

I love the look of the cab. And had Mark told me where he was heading in advance, I would have been terrified.

As for the handles, they are a non issue. Steel reenforced strip in them and the cab is far lighter than a Sunn 215S.

I wasn't willing to add 4 more pounds to the cab going recessed. Even when I have to pick up cabs and carry over rough surfaces, someone helps me and we're holding the cab not the handles.

The other issue is that the new band will maybe play out twice per month tops. I don't do 200 shows a year.

I did have to drag it upstairs by myself. The handles were fine and far more stout than they appear. Should one ever break, I will drive straight to Mark and ask him to get out his roto zip.
 
@ Mark-
See? I told you so!:)

Haha! Thanks, Joseph.

Regarding handles, John asked me to do what I'd do for myself, and that's what I do for myself. I get the temptation to do steel recessed handles, and those are great handles, but the cab is so light, you don't really need them, and they add weight. If you look at the corner handle, it's also not the big beefy type you'd see on an SVT cab, but since this cab weighs roughly one third of a typical SVT, I prefer the smaller corner handle.

If I were a total weight weenie, I'd get rid of the wheels, skids and corner handle, put one strap handle vertically mounted on one side, and carry the thing in, suitcase style. I remember some old school 215 cabs that did that years ago...seemed logical enough and those cabs weighed a lot more than ours do :)
 
Looks super. Congratulations.

Just don't think I'd be brave enough to give anyone free reign over appearance and cosmetics.

Only one thing I wouldn't be 100% comfortable with. That's the strap handles. Think I'd want recessed metal.

Having someone give us free reign over design is actually more stressful! That's why I asked John a thousand questions, to get to know him, and do something I'd be fairly certain he would like. Turns out, John and I are the same age and grew up about 30 minutes apart in SoCal, and probably went to a lot of the same gigs. The real bonus is we became buddies and I'm certain will stay in touch for a very long time to come. That was the real upside of this transaction.

BNA, or BAD, jHawk, Mike Arnopol, etc., are perfectly happy to build exactly what you have in mind if we're able to do so.
The one thing we won't do is go outside of greenboy's design parameters, but as far as options, colors, hardware, etc...it's your cab and we'll make whatever you want :)
 
Update.....

I have about 8 hours on the Dually now playing in the mix at rehearsal. I left so hopped up last night that I had to run down Mark and thank him again for the build. I wish I could post what I texted him here, but I had to use a whole lot of expletives to convey my feelings.

I have played a P, two different Jazz basses, and the Lakeland Hollowbody with La Bella flats on it during the last couple of practices. Frankly I just couldn't get the cab to sound bad short of intentionally doing some ridiculous EQ ing.

I still can't get over clarity. Note articulation is amazing yet never sounds sterile.

One of the most surprizing things is that right hand technique changes really shine with this cabinet. I feel like it's opened up a whole new set of playing dynamics for me.

Pick tone is easily the best the I ever heard. First time in my life that I didn't have to do major EQ changes when grabbing a pick for a song.

8th note pumps sound so remarkable and move so much air that if you stop playing them, the drums seem to thin in the mix. I learned this by accident and started screwing with our drummer by dropping every note sincopated with a particular tom. :hiding: At the end of a song, I had him making horrible faces at the tom and finally grabbing a drum key to retune. When I finally told him what I was doing, we both laughed so hard, I thought I was going to have an accident.

I haven't been able to identify anything that I don't like about it. I finally have the tone that I have been chasing. It's warm, focused, articulate, dynamic, but never sounds sterile. I went from feeling like like I had to give up warmth or bottom to be clearly heard in the mix, to just plugging in and playing and hearing every single note that I play, both the good ones and the few bad ones as well.

The only thing I have given up is my ability to easily hide mistakes. That party is over. This has just forced me to buckle down to ensure that I play my very best. Who knew that the cab would would push me to improve focus and technique and that I would so enjoy the challenge.

While I haven't heard the Barefaced, this is easily the best 215 that I have ever heard. And it flat crushes the 810 cabs. Same with the few 12's that I heard.

If you're looking for a 215, order a Dually. It is a remarkable cabinet that is truly proof of just how far bass cab technology has improved.

Thank you Greenboy, Faital, and BNA !
 
This is spot on with my experience with greenboy's designs. Here are a few key points for me.

Update.....

I have about 8 hours on the Dually now playing in the mix at rehearsal. I left so hopped up last night that I had to run down Mark and thank him again for the build. I wish I could post what I texted him here, but I had to use a whole lot of expletives to convey my feelings.

I have played a P, two different Jazz basses, and the Lakeland Hollowbody with La Bella flats on it during the last couple of practices. Frankly I just couldn't get the cab to sound bad short of intentionally doing some ridiculous EQ ing.

I still can't get over clarity. Note articulation is amazing yet never sounds sterile.

One of the most surprising things is that right hand technique changes really shine with this cabinet. I feel like it's opened up a whole new set of playing dynamics for me.

Pick tone is easily the best the I ever heard. First time in my life that I didn't have to do major EQ changes when grabbing a pick for a song.

8th note pumps sound so remarkable and move so much air that if you stop playing them, the drums seem to thin in the mix. I learned this by accident and started screwing with our drummer by dropping every note sincopated with a particular tom. :hiding: At the end of a song, I had him making horrible faces at the tom and finally grabbing a drum key to retune. When I finally told him what I was doing, we both laughed so hard, I thought I was going to have an accident.

I haven't been able to identify anything that I don't like about it. I finally have the tone that I have been chasing. It's warm, focused, articulate, dynamic, but never sounds sterile. I went from feeling like like I had to give up warmth or bottom to be clearly heard in the mix, to just plugging in and playing and hearing every single note that I play, both the good ones and the few bad ones as well.

The only thing I have given up is my ability to easily hide mistakes. That party is over. This has just forced me to buckle down to ensure that I play my very best. Who knew that the cab would would push me to improve focus and technique and that I would so enjoy the challenge.

While I haven't heard the Barefaced, this is easily the best 215 that I have ever heard. And it flat crushes the 810 cabs. Same with the few 12's that I heard.

If you're looking for a 215, order a Dually. It is a remarkable cabinet that is truly proof of just how far bass cab technology has improved.

Thank you Greenboy, Faital, and BNA !

Im glad to have new people experiencing these cabs and coming away with the fever. Even with all the science and tech talk to explain why greenboy's designs are amazing, the proof is in the audible pudding.
 
Awesome looking cab, and I'm sure it sounds phenomenal as well!

A bit off topic here, but what is the road case you have your amp in? I'm having a real tough time finding the perfect case for my Mesa M9 and that looks cool. Specifically the fact that it doesn't have the clips attached to the main body (they remove with the front and back pieces).
 
Currently, the three space Hartke is in a four space Gator. They don't use clips but backing plates with threaded holes.

I have never been a fan of any of the thermo plastic rack cases. They are just plain ugly.....which is why I begged Mark to build me a matching case to house the Kilo.
 
Currently, the three space Hartke is in a four space Gator. They don't use clips but backing plates with threaded holes.

I have never been a fan of any of the thermo plastic rack cases. They are just plain ugly.....which is why I begged Mark to build me a matching case to house the Kilo.

And he surely will :)
 
Congrats on the cab, looks great.

One thing I'm curious about. I've read much of the info/thoughts etc on many of these new Gb cabs & it all makes sense,
but I read, even in this thread, how this cab will slaughter an 810 etc....
We're talking 2 x 15"s & a new, lightweight, ported & braced wooden cab.
How does it do this "kill an 810£ biz?
Is it a combination a excellent cab design AND 2 of these remarkable new "super" neo 15" speakers?
Is it more one than the other? The great new speakers?
Would this cab still kill with old JBL D140's in it for example( provided it was an adjusted design for the driver etc)
Would these Faitals or 3015 Eminence hugely out perform an older -EV/JBL/Eminence 15" ???

Again, congrats to both builder & buyer on a sweet cab.
 
Congrats on the cab, looks great.

One thing I'm curious about. I've read much of the info/thoughts etc on many of these new Gb cabs & it all makes sense,
but I read, even in this thread, how this cab will slaughter an 810 etc....
We're talking 2 x 15"s & a new, lightweight, ported & braced wooden cab.
How does it do this "kill an 810£ biz?
Is it a combination a excellent cab design AND 2 of these remarkable new "super" neo 15" speakers?
Is it more one than the other? The great new speakers?
Would this cab still kill with old JBL D140's in it for example( provided it was an adjusted design for the driver etc)
Would these Faitals or 3015 Eminence hugely out perform an older -EV/JBL/Eminence 15" ???

Again, congrats to both builder & buyer on a sweet cab.

I guess it depends on your definition of "kill" :)
I've owned a lot of 810 cabs in my day and have played hundreds of backline 810 cabs and I'd take a Dually over any of 'em.

Even though I build Dually's and Bassics there are others who have more informed things to say on the subject, as I mainly play the Fearless cabs these days. Most of my gigs are either upright or doubling gigs so I find the 3way designs more useful to what I'm going for.

When I was a younger, electric only player, I was a huge fan of the EV 15's and still am. As much as I love the old EV's and JBL's, the answer to you question is a big yes. The Faitals (or even 3015's) out perform them on every level, IMO. Better lows, WAY more SPL handling and the Dually weighs at least half of the typical 215 cabs of yesteryear. I have a couple electric gigs coming up where I plan on really giving my Bassic workout.

Greenboy designs the best bass cabs in the world, IMO and the Dually and Bassic are no exception. So yes, between the superior enclosure design and these new 'Super 15's' is the reason so many players would say it 'slaughters' an 810, especially for dispersion. Set up both, have someone play while you walk around the room and I'm certain a great 215 will sound more consistent. This isn't to put down 810 cabs. You may not agree at all and that's fine. For me, the Dually sounds much better than an SVT cab, has way better dispersion and weighs roughly one third. Me and my back really like that!

I'm just thrilled that the biggest rave reviews I get are from my customers. Cannot tell you how good it feels to make something for a fellow musician that helps them achieve their 'tone goals.'
 
I need to re-shoot these but these sound incredible together...

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Did the 4.5 hour trip to Nashville and back in one day. I am all hopped up on the New Gear junk.

Thought I would post about my experience ordering a custom cabinet. This was my first order, and I thought some people find my experience helpful if you're on the fence about going custom versus high-end production.

A little background about me. First, I am a no-talent local hack. Bong, bong, bong player with no real chops per say. I have a couple of positive traits. First, I have a decent ear. Second, I worship drummers that can keep good time and will kill myself to lock in and live in the pocket. Finally I have good time.

Played 10's for the last 20 years or so but found myself pining for 15's. I wasn't sure if I wanted to make the switch so I bought a 1972 Sunn 215s. After taking it to one band rehearsal, I was told to never return with 10's again! rofl. I had have to baby the cab for fear of setting it on on fire with the Kilo. All this lead me to start reading everyone's reviews on Greenboy and fEARful cabs.

I play pretty simple music. I don't need orange juicers right now. I am kind of an old school guy and love me some old school tone without mud. Further, I don't miss the farty days yore.

With that said I stumbled across Mark Robertson's (BNA Audio) build for Chris. It took my breath my breath away. After reading about other's experiences with BNA, I decided to contact him and place an order.

I knew I wanted a Super twin 15. I also knew that I didn't need a six or a juicer. I explained to Mark that I had very simple tone and sonic needs.

I was torn between 3015's or Faital 15PR400's. After reading JohnK's Faital report, I asked what Mark thought. Mark agreed that while the 3015's are very impressive, I would be an idiot if I failed to give the nod to the Faitals.

Other than that, I made a decision to let Mark handle the aestetics. While I loved Chris' cabinet, I didn't want a carbon copy. I explained to Mark that I was comfortable giving him free reign to finish out the cab any way that he wanted, with one exception. No hot pink. I guaranteed that I would purchase sight unseen.

My reasoning behind letting Mark do his thing was simple. Custom builders will happily accept orders and build every detail to your spec. The problem with this process is that the builder doesn't have any emotional buy-in. Sure, you will receive a fantastic sounding cabinet, but in the end, the builder has no emotional buy-in. OTOH, give the builder the latitude to make some creative decisions and you get his/her very best work!

Poor Mark was both giddy and horribly stressed about the process. He was giddy about the finished product but wasn't sure if I would would love it, or just find it acceptable/satisfactory. It seems that Mark is deeply passionate about wanting every single customer to be ecstatic about their purchase. His sincerity and passion are both refreshing and contageous.

On Thursday, I received a text saying that my new baby was done and to start driving early Saturday morning.

Mark told me to me to meet him over at his friend's photography studio. They were working on beauty shots for 4 different cabs, including mine.

After that we grabbed some lunch and talked about real life and bass life. One of things that I noted about Mark is that he spends most of his time complimenting those people that he respects....Greenboy, Don Barry, Mike Arnopol. Here is guy building these incredible cabs, but he prefers to talk about other builders and all the cool things that they are doing. A very humble guy.

After being prodded a bit, Mark shared his music journey. I was specifically interested in his jump TO upright. If you ever chat with Mark, ask him about it. It may be one of the best stories ever in terms of who he is as a human being.

Next, we ran over to the music studio to meet another TB'er. His real name is Tom. I do not know his TB name. He was there to pick up not one, but two cabs. Greedy Bastich! I helped schlep cabs although picking up his Bassic 15 was ridiculous. It is not only easy to one hand, but I felt like I could throw it across the yard.

I sweet-talked Tom in to letting me fondle his Lakie 5502. I have been pining for one but was concerned about neck feel. Let's just say that Tom is responsible for helping me to put another dent in my disposable income. My wife thanks you, Tom!

Sadly we cut in to Mark's pre-rehearsal time for a pick up gig. We just told him to just give 'em a whole lotta 1-5 and toss in some tasty right hand tidbits every now and then to wow the crowd.

All in all, I just can't say enough about Mark's professionalism and concern to give people the highest quality product possible.

As a human being, I find myself bummed out that he lives so far away. We got along so famously that my wife and I intend to return to do a night on the town with Mark and his wife. I know that my wife will go ga-ga doing the lower Broadway shuffle. Mark said he would be honored to host.

In my opinion, there has been no better time in history for we bass players. We mere financial mortals can buy boutique cabinets.

If you're in the south and looking for a super cab, call Mark and pick his brain. If you live elsewhere, do some homework and find out if Mike Arnonopol, Don Barry, JHawke, or any of the cutting edge small builders are in your area.

I am only going to toss up one pic of the cab. Perhaps Mark will be kind enough to post up the beauty shots when he receives them. In the mean time, he is working on a matching cab for the Kilo. And he is going to help me locate an upright to help corrupt me further.

Thanks Mark !

Oh, I guess I need a DISCLAIMER:

The OP did not receive any compensation or renumeration for this post. He spoke from the heart about Mark, BNA the some of the other custom builders. Had Mark done a crappy job, the OP would have happily talked smack.

In addition, the OP not only paid full retail, but was so ecstatic with the final product that he threw another 90.00 on the fire to compensate the builder for Paypal fees, unseen costs, and a show of appreciation for putting his blood, sweat and tears into building the OP's Dually.

Finally, the OP does acknowledge a budding bromance with Mark at BNA.

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Nice looking cab! :)
 
8th note pumps sound so remarkable and move so much air that if you stop playing them, the drums seem to thin in the mix.

I too found this to be true. Being from the metal genre with a 66, When ever we are doing a unison muted chug running with the kick drums and I drop out, everyone starts looking at the PA as if it dropped out or the kick mic fell down.

*My drummer runs triggers and a mic'd kickdrum and our practices*
 
Copy that. Understand.
I like the SVT 810 & agree on pretty much all you state above. The cabs you're building impress me greatly.
I like 15"s a lot also & anything weighing 1/3rd etc... all the better.
Thanx for the honest reply.

I wouldn't expect anyone to think I don't have a bias here, since I get paid to build these cabs and my only defense is I wouldn't have ever gotten into this if I didn't have such a strong belief in greenboy's designs.

I would also say, I don't think it's a 10's vs 15's thing at all. In the past couple years of going down the rabbit hole in researching these newer innovative designers I can't really relate my 'findings' on enclosure design to a specific driver size. When someone says they 'prefer' a 10" driver to a 15" driver, I think what's really being said is they've consistently preferred a certain 810 cab over a certain 215 cab, which contributes to the false assumption that all 10's sound a certain way and all 15's sound a certain way, and all enclosures, for that matter. Turns out, this is a much more complicated subject :)

Then to bring in topics like sealed vs ported, which I think is another sea of misinformation, but if someone genuinely feels they prefer one over the other, I would never argue the point. The most important thing here is that a musician feel a connection to their gear, because when they do, they play better and enjoy themselves more. Honestly, as a musician myself, I don't want to have to explain why I think something is 'better.' I just want to provide it for those who agree that it is better for them :)

BTW John...that Lakland is freakin' rad...quite the dream rig you've built for yourself :)
 

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