Ric5
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- I like 5, 8, 10, and 12 string basses
Nech dive makes a bass harder to play ... I want to make my bass easier to play whenever possible.
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There is a new band name in that thar post.
Obviously it doesn't bother a lot of people, or Gibson wouldn't still be making and selling them. For me, I like instruments to balance naturally so that I can spend all my energy on making music, not fighting the instrument.
Light weight tuners??? Haaa! Exactly how heavy are oem tuners? Spend $200 to save 2 ounces at the headstock?
To each their own.
AFAIC any nuisance of mild to moderate neck dive is more than outweighed by the "cool" factor of a quirky body style.
If some folks want to treat one ounce of pivot pressure as an absolute deal killer, that's fine; more awesome-looking axes for me!
AFAIC any nuisance of mild to moderate neck dive is more than outweighed by the "cool" factor of a quirky body style.
If some folks want to treat one ounce of pivot pressure as an absolute deal killer, that's fine; more awesome-looking axes for me!
Cost was closer to $100.00 and saved 8oz which relieved the neck dive. Well worth it and then some.
$100.00 for a half of a pound is a deal.
My Hipshots & Gotohs were purchased some years ago and I know prices have increased but comfort is my crack and I'll pay the price not to hold that damn neck all night.
It's been a long time since I bought hipshots too...maybe $120.00 now? Still a deal.My Hipshots & Gotohs were purchased some years ago and I know prices have increased but comfort is my crack and I'll pay the price not to hold that damn neck all night.
Neck dive is just a sign of crappy design and engineering. I choose not to support builders who can't figure out how to make a balanced bass.
If you’re happy with substandard then I am happy for you. I prefer properly designed and executed gear. Different strokes
It all depends how bad the dive is.
A bad one will pull your wide strap with the shirt and still dive bad.
If the bass dives beyond horizontal its unusable imo.
I have a gibson sg with a minor dive but lately it irritates me including when playing sitting down,ultralite machines are on the way.
A bad one will pull your wide strap with the shirt and still dive bad.
If the bass dives beyond horizontal its unusable imo.
I have a gibson sg with a minor dive but lately it irritates me including when playing sitting down,ultralite machines are on the way.
There are no harmful effects of neck dive. It is simply preference. I won't put up with it because I don't have to.
Sort of like playing high end basses or only drinking French press coffee. Some people are more in tune with details that others don't even notice.
Sort of like playing high end basses or only drinking French press coffee. Some people are more in tune with details that others don't even notice.
IMO/IME:
- most players who tolerate what i'd call "neck dive" don't even know they're holding up the neck (i.e., define "bliss").
- most players who tolerate what i'd call "neck dive," and who know that they're holding up the neck, are stuck.
who pays for a deluxe or custom ax with neck dive! 
- most players who tolerate what i'd call "neck dive" don't even know they're holding up the neck (i.e., define "bliss").
- most players who tolerate what i'd call "neck dive," and who know that they're holding up the neck, are stuck.
wild and "crazy" = whatever you can play "masterfully" with neck dive, the other cat, with no better chops than you: can play better, without it!
i've done it! (~$185-$190?) TBH, i don't know how much the headstock "saved" as i went about it caveman-style: i put CF tuning machines on the ax and the problem was solved. but it was a way to eliminate dive on an ax with a very lightweight body and still use my go-to strap(s)...and, so i wouldn't have to change my postures/techniques/etc. still, i spent ~$3k+ less on that ax than the
who pays for a deluxe or custom ax with neck dive! 
Because your left hand is not supposed to hold the bass, but play the notes, and a wide strap doesn't fix neck dive but it pulls your shirt down.
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Absolutely! It's not difficult to decide where the centre of gravity should be and design a shape that puts it there. In aviation design we do it all the time - the COG of every part is known and indicated on the drawings. With a bass guitar 'anywhere between the strap pins' is probably good enough - that's a pretty big target!
If you want to constantly have to hold the neck up go for it, I don't. It is a waste of energy and inhibits the ability to play with ease and dexterity.
