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Need opinions and guidance building a space elevator.
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HI.
Odd, I've found that artistic people are often Sci-Fi and fiction enthusiasts, and the numerous science loaded threads here on TB kinda proves that us bassplayers are no exeption.
Well, let me try to explain.
I'm relatively young, so obviously substandard TV and video fiction ruined it for me when it comes down to hi-quality Sci-Fi.
I did however read way more than an average pre-teen in the 70's Finland, so I did catch a glimpse of what it had been for those who had only the written word of the writers. Accompanied of course with their own imagination to create the worlds and technology that the masters so well laid out for us to take further.
In retrospect, I did enjoy fiction more than science fiction though, but early on I did manage to make a distiction between those two.
I can't obviously speak on behalf of anyone else, but AFAIK the majority of people who are into sciences or engineering, either as a hobby or profession, are there because of the spark that science fiction gave 'em as youngsters.
We have spent countless hours on calculating and dreaming about the "doable" -in which category the space elevator neatly falls into- technological marvels the writers have imagined. These said writers haven't been just dreamin' either, most of their facts and dreams are well thought out and backed up by scientific data.
Hence we call it science-fiction instead of just fiction.
I do understand why a "layman" would feel intimidated about the comments of "professionals" in any field, but it's always like that.
Sci-Fi matters aren't no different from, say, bass-amp repair in that respect.
A layman, as You continuously claim to be, continuously calling educated people uninformed, is bound to provoke some not-so-nice replies. That goes without saying.
If You'd done the same in a Sci-Fi site instead of one of the most civilized sites in the 'net, TB, the end result would've been a a virtual disaster.
OTOH, "layman" is a perfect source of monetary gain for people who like to scam 'em.
That won't be built in the time-frame they dream either.
Please, sincerely, do read abut space elevators a bit more before digging a deeper hole for yourself.
If You do, you'll quickly find the fundamental flaw I'm talking about, and you probably won't be as quick to dismiss the comments of engineers and scientists in threads like these.
Regards
Sam
Odd, I've found that artistic people are often Sci-Fi and fiction enthusiasts, and the numerous science loaded threads here on TB kinda proves that us bassplayers are no exeption.
Well, let me try to explain.
I'm relatively young, so obviously substandard TV and video fiction ruined it for me when it comes down to hi-quality Sci-Fi.
I did however read way more than an average pre-teen in the 70's Finland, so I did catch a glimpse of what it had been for those who had only the written word of the writers. Accompanied of course with their own imagination to create the worlds and technology that the masters so well laid out for us to take further.
In retrospect, I did enjoy fiction more than science fiction though, but early on I did manage to make a distiction between those two.
I can't obviously speak on behalf of anyone else, but AFAIK the majority of people who are into sciences or engineering, either as a hobby or profession, are there because of the spark that science fiction gave 'em as youngsters.
We have spent countless hours on calculating and dreaming about the "doable" -in which category the space elevator neatly falls into- technological marvels the writers have imagined. These said writers haven't been just dreamin' either, most of their facts and dreams are well thought out and backed up by scientific data.
Hence we call it science-fiction instead of just fiction.
I do understand why a "layman" would feel intimidated about the comments of "professionals" in any field, but it's always like that.
Sci-Fi matters aren't no different from, say, bass-amp repair in that respect.
A layman, as You continuously claim to be, continuously calling educated people uninformed, is bound to provoke some not-so-nice replies. That goes without saying.
If You'd done the same in a Sci-Fi site instead of one of the most civilized sites in the 'net, TB, the end result would've been a a virtual disaster.
OTOH, "layman" is a perfect source of monetary gain for people who like to scam 'em.
That won't be built in the time-frame they dream either.
Please, sincerely, do read abut space elevators a bit more before digging a deeper hole for yourself.
If You do, you'll quickly find the fundamental flaw I'm talking about, and you probably won't be as quick to dismiss the comments of engineers and scientists in threads like these.
Regards
Sam
Ok, I've repeatedly pointed this out. So I will again, as it's an important distinction. We are talking about a LUNAR elevator. Not a from earth elevator. As you and others keep poking at the space elevator, which is the ultimate goal, however far in the future, I figured I'd just go ahead and again draw the line.
Regarding the fundamental flaw, are you speaking of the state of CNT tech?
And just to be clear, I'm not intimidated, not a bit by any engineer, man or android, neither their comments nor their degree. You feel one way, I feel another. Simple. I apologize if I gave you the impression I was. Intimidated. Makes we want to go throw my stuffed cat at a pillow!
Hi.
Someone will sure build a space fountain onto the moon surface as soon as the first settlements are ready, but the space elevator is even less feasible on moon than it is on earth. Other than for amusement purposes, that won't probably ever be built.
Definitely not.
Perhaps after some refinement the ribbon for a low gravity + thin atmosphere planet (or moon) is already a reality.
It's more basic flaw than that.
One doesn't build a space elevator upwards from the planet or moon surface, one builds it down (and up obviously) from an orbiting platform. A platform orbiting IN SPACE.
Makes the job at least 100 times "easier" if not only possible.
An additional (huge?) problem is that the moon has basically 1 spot to build the elevator on, earth only a few more.
A space fountain OTOH has no such limitations.
Power requirement on the other hand prevents building 'em on earth ATM.
Regards
Sam
Someone will sure build a space fountain onto the moon surface as soon as the first settlements are ready, but the space elevator is even less feasible on moon than it is on earth. Other than for amusement purposes, that won't probably ever be built.
Definitely not.
Perhaps after some refinement the ribbon for a low gravity + thin atmosphere planet (or moon) is already a reality.
It's more basic flaw than that.
One doesn't build a space elevator upwards from the planet or moon surface, one builds it down (and up obviously) from an orbiting platform. A platform orbiting IN SPACE.
Makes the job at least 100 times "easier" if not only possible.
An additional (huge?) problem is that the moon has basically 1 spot to build the elevator on, earth only a few more.
A space fountain OTOH has no such limitations.
Power requirement on the other hand prevents building 'em on earth ATM.
Regards
Sam
Another important distinction to be made...
A LUNAR elevator would also be a "from earth" elevator. Unless, of course, this Lunar elevator runs between the Moon & Mars.
A lunar elevator would run from the surface of the moon to a platform orbiting the moon.
Ah, my mistake, I misread. I thought I had read that the lunar elevator ran between the earth & the moon.
I take my previous comment back.
Gotta build some space elevators first. Once we get out of the solar system I'll put some money towards it
We have a site all picked out.
The Landing Site: LADDER plans to land at or
near the zero point of the Lunar coordinate system, at
latitude 0, longitude 0 is Sinus Medii. This location is
technically the simplest landing point for an LSE, and
is a suitable place for a landing station.
The Landing Site: LADDER plans to land at or
near the zero point of the Lunar coordinate system, at
latitude 0, longitude 0 is Sinus Medii. This location is
technically the simplest landing point for an LSE, and
is a suitable place for a landing station.
You see, the scheme... your scheme... is to get a small amount from a large number of individuals, not a large amount from a small number of individuals.
Oh, that makes way more sense. An elevator from the moon going to a platform would totally help science, kind of like timeshare condos in the Everglades.
Hi.
That's one way of looking at it...
The other is to constantly remind ourselves (and others) why we didn't get any when we were teenagers, despite of the fact we played in a rock band...
It probably had nothing to do with the choice of the instrument after all
.
Regards
Sam
That's one way of looking at it...
The other is to constantly remind ourselves (and others
) why we didn't get any when we were teenagers, despite of the fact we played in a rock band...It probably had nothing to do with the choice of the instrument after all
.Regards
Sam
T-Bird said:Hi.
That's one way of looking at it...
The other is to constantly remind ourselves (and others
It probably had nothing to do with the choice of the instrument after all
Regards
Sam
Hahaha I don't know where you live but I get enough to satisfy
You aren't by chance another engineer masquerading as one of us normal people are you? Even our very skeptical, mostly cynical engineer TBer's don't say stuff like this. They understand the reasons, not the time line, viability, or design of said project. Maybe you could either read some of the previous pages of this thread, or use google to find out about a Lunar elevator's real value.
Hi.
So, it's We now.
What type of an bad acid-trip makes You think that area will still just be up for grabs if (when) Your company eventually gets there?
The first to establish a precence on the any planets or moons surface (or orbit) except fotr the earth, pretty much controls everything there. And that spot "You chose" being the "best" for a lot of things, will be among the first to be claimed.
If I was a gambling kind of a feller, I'd bet good money that Your company won't be the first one there. You're pretty short on funds and resources for that it seems.
Think?
No.
Strongly suspect... or even KNOW?
YES!
But so what?
Aside for breaking some TB CUP rules, no harm done.
To anyone.
Just a gift thread that just keeps on giving.
Good for You.
Then again, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
Regards
Sam
So, it's We now
.What type of an bad acid-trip makes You think that area will still just be up for grabs if (when) Your company eventually gets there?
The first to establish a precence on the any planets or moons surface (or orbit) except fotr the earth, pretty much controls everything there. And that spot "You chose" being the "best" for a lot of things, will be among the first to be claimed.
If I was a gambling kind of a feller, I'd bet good money that Your company won't be the first one there. You're pretty short on funds and resources for that it seems.
Think?
No.
Strongly suspect... or even KNOW?
YES!
But so what?
Aside for breaking some TB CUP rules, no harm done.
To anyone.
Just a gift thread that just keeps on giving.
Hahaha I don't know where you live but I get enough to satisfy
Good for You.
Then again, there's more than one way to skin a cat
.Regards
Sam
