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neoX212 vs dual neoX112's

#61
but what mighta caused this. I was using 2 212T's w/GBE 750 amp, the cabs were on thier sides atop one another. Well only 1 speakon speaker cable would work so I had to use it from amp to top cab, used an old but in very good shape 1/4" to 1/4" cable from top cab to bottom cab. Later into the gig twice in mid-tune I noticed lower volume. Looked in back of rig and the 1/4" cable had slipped out of the top cab input, WOW! twice? Could the lows I was pushing cause the 1/4" cable to gradually slide out of the input? I just shoved it back in, lowered the master abit and went back to work.

Now 2 other times this same nite, the whole rig went silent in mid tune, not just one cab, I reached back and sorta fiddled with the speakon into amp and I got sound again, went back at it. Finished the nite with no more drama.

I know you'd say bad cable(s), change em out and Im going to, got 2 on order from Butch. But if I have to use the 1/4" cable again in the interim, should I just use duct tape to keep them from sliding out of the cab inputs? And Ive opened both speakon-speakon speaker cables to look at em, they both look fine. They're connected +1-1 on all 4 ends, there are no breaks in the cable itself. Where else do speakon cables fail? Wow could it be the amp or cab inputs themselves that could be bad, worn, something? The amp I bought used from a TBer, he hardly would return my PM's during sale, so I doubt I could get hold of him to ask tech questions. Both cabs were bought new. Might the lows I was driving also drive the 1/4" jack out of the cab, its really rather funny to me if thats so.

Any ideas whats up here? When my new speakon speaker cables arrive I'll use those. But in the meantime Im gonna use my GK1001RBI amp w/XB-2 cab at Thursday nites gig, w/ a single 1/4" cable from amp to cab. Hope my new cables arrive before gigs on Memorial weekend.
 
#63
I am sorry, I am late to the party. No I haven't actually. I really haven't had the need to do it. I realize that has never stopped me before but as of this point I haven't. Maybe I'll give it a whirl in the next few days. I have done the 212 with 410 and it was indeed massive .


lo-freq said:
Fretlessboy,
have you ever run your 1200 into 2 NeoX112 (horizontal) with the Uber 410 on top?

Seems like that would be thundering punchiliciousness!
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#64
I don't meant to be a goof but I will throw this out there. First of all, yes it could happen twice with the 1/4 inch cables. Not all 1/4 inch tips are the same size so if it is a haor smaller than it needs to be you have drama. Now as far as the speakons go. When you plug them in are you turning it so the lock engages? I have known many that didn't think about the fact that they lock in so just be sure yours are. I had a flaky one once that the spring went bad and it wouldn't lock in the cab.


ErnieD said:
but what mighta caused this. I was using 2 212T's w/GBE 750 amp, the cabs were on thier sides atop one another. Well only 1 speakon speaker cable would work so I had to use it from amp to top cab, used an old but in very good shape 1/4" to 1/4" cable from top cab to bottom cab. Later into the gig twice in mid-tune I noticed lower volume. Looked in back of rig and the 1/4" cable had slipped out of the top cab input, WOW! twice? Could the lows I was pushing cause the 1/4" cable to gradually slide out of the input? I just shoved it back in, lowered the master abit and went back to work.

Now 2 other times this same nite, the whole rig went silent in mid tune, not just one cab, I reached back and sorta fiddled with the speakon into amp and I got sound again, went back at it. Finished the nite with no more drama.

I know you'd say bad cable(s), change em out and Im going to, got 2 on order from Butch. But if I have to use the 1/4" cable again in the interim, should I just use duct tape to keep them from sliding out of the cab inputs? And Ive opened both speakon-speakon speaker cables to look at em, they both look fine. They're connected +1-1 on all 4 ends, there are no breaks in the cable itself. Where else do speakon cables fail? Wow could it be the amp or cab inputs themselves that could be bad, worn, something? The amp I bought used from a TBer, he hardly would return my PM's during sale, so I doubt I could get hold of him to ask tech questions. Both cabs were bought new. Might the lows I was driving also drive the 1/4" jack out of the cab, its really rather funny to me if thats so.

Any ideas whats up here? When my new speakon speaker cables arrive I'll use those. But in the meantime Im gonna use my GK1001RBI amp w/XB-2 cab at Thursday nites gig, w/ a single 1/4" cable from amp to cab. Hope my new cables arrive before gigs on Memorial weekend.
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#65
Stumped ya huh Eublet? LOL, well my avatar is correct in that I usually ask question upon question here sometimes til I get some good replies. So I might stomp that pony to death sometimes, but I really do seem to have some unique problems at times, this is def one, so I appreciate all the replies I can get.

And Dennis, as far as I know I locked in the speakon connector to the amp head well. Of course I'll be sure to check for that from now on. I just found it really strange that my rig might be "spittin the bit" (1/4") cause of so much power thru my rig, this is a first for me. And I was just about to plug the extra 1/4" input with pencil erasers as per a thread I read here. But the rig might blow the plug out and kill someone, lol.

So again if I have to use the 1/4" cables again til my new speakons get here maybe I will use some duct tape to secure them in the inputs but damn that stuff can get nasty, sticky once you pull it off. And I'll be sure I hear/feel that click when I use the speakon cable from amp to first cab. So Im hoping the new speaker cables will solve this mystery and its not the amp/cab inputs that are at fault. thanks again now.
 
#66
I tried both of my speakon cables with my GK head and the 2 212T cabs, seperately of course. Both the cables work fine with this amp and each cab. But I did find that Ive got quite a bad buzz coming from inside/front of one of the 212T cabs, cant tell if its the tweeter or 12" makes the buzz with attenuator on or off. The other cab sounds really nice with the 540 watt head into it, will use that setup at my soul/funk gig tonite. Guess I'll take the bad(?) cab to dealer and also check these cables again with the GBE 750 head, looks like one or both of the speakon inputs in that head may be a culprit, hope not can't use 1/4" cables with that head. I'll get back to y'all.
 
#67
If you are gonna use 1/4's, get the speakon adapters to adapt the 1/4's. As far as the plugs coming loose, I had 1 with a bad spring and it clicked in but didn't lock... I figured it out when I went to check it and it fell out in my hands. I reference to the buzz, make sure all the screws on the cabinet are tight. Sometimes just the littlest turn of a screw can stop an awful racket.


ErnieD said:
I tried both of my speakon cables with my GK head and the 2 212T cabs, seperately of course. Both the cables work fine with this amp and each cab. But I did find that Ive got quite a bad buzz coming from inside/front of one of the 212T cabs, cant tell if its the tweeter or 12" makes the buzz with attenuator on or off. The other cab sounds really nice with the 540 watt head into it, will use that setup at my soul/funk gig tonite. Guess I'll take the bad(?) cab to dealer and also check these cables again with the GBE 750 head, looks like one or both of the speakon inputs in that head may be a culprit, hope not can't use 1/4" cables with that head. I'll get back to y'all.
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#68
Yeah I may picup some of those adaptors for my 1/4" cables. Just got offline with Butch at Bayoucables, man he's is busy he says. So much so that he wont even hazard a guess as to when my order will ship, cool I just let him get back to work.

So I feel I have 2 good speakon cables, Ive opened these things up so many times to check in the past cause the screws used to work loose and let the wire slip but I always got em up and running again. So this weekend I'll check these 2 cables into the GBE750 head to see what's going on there.

That buzz in the 212T really sounds like some kinda speaker buzz but I'll check it too, then take it to dealer on Monday if I cant figure it. Ive noticed these 2 cabs have sounded different since day one and posted about that here, Roger was ready to send me a new speaker but I did not notice the buzz so much after awhile and I started using my XB-2 cab more. But Ive been using both 212Ts together alot lately, just to decide if they are really for me or to move em out. One cab sounds so different to me that I have top and bottom written on the covers of each cab cause the lesser one sounds better on top and the better one sounds fuller on the bottom.

I will not use the bad cab for now, the good one will work for my small Thursday gig, rehearsals and I can pair it up with my XB-2 if I need more and I usually always need more. I'll post back after I hear whats up with that one cab and how it all plays out. Sorry if Im using this thread for my probs, I should start a new thread with my results. But I know I can always find you and Eublet replying in this thread. Peace.
 
#69
That's because we're here with you bro':)



ErnieD said:
Yeah I may picup some of those adaptors for my 1/4" cables. Just got offline with Butch at Bayoucables, man he's is busy he says. So much so that he wont even hazard a guess as to when my order will ship, cool I just let him get back to work.

So I feel I have 2 good speakon cables, Ive opened these things up so many times to check in the past cause the screws used to work loose and let the wire slip but I always got em up and running again. So this weekend I'll check these 2 cables into the GBE750 head to see what's going on there.

That buzz in the 212T really sounds like some kinda speaker buzz but I'll check it too, then take it to dealer on Monday if I cant figure it. Ive noticed these 2 cabs have sounded different since day one and posted about that here, Roger was ready to send me a new speaker but I did not notice the buzz so much after awhile and I started using my XB-2 cab more. But Ive been using both 212Ts together alot lately, just to decide if they are really for me or to move em out. One cab sounds so different to me that I have top and bottom written on the covers of each cab cause the lesser one sounds better on top and the better one sounds fuller on the bottom.

I will not use the bad cab for now, the good one will work for my small Thursday gig, rehearsals and I can pair it up with my XB-2 if I need more and I usually always need more. I'll post back after I hear whats up with that one cab and how it all plays out. Sorry if Im using this thread for my probs, I should start a new thread with my results. But I know I can always find you and Eublet replying in this thread. Peace.
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#70
y'all got my back, so I'l post yet one more time here. Just got back from my weekly weeknite gig. Used the GK1001RBI w/212T cab, 540 watts into 4 ohms. Used my 2007 Electron blue, MIM Jazz 5er w/flats. Cant believe how nice this bass came to me in a trade with ibanezcollector, hell, its made me park my US G&L L2500 in favor of the MIM. I really liked what I heard tonite, last week for this same gig I took my GBE750 w/ XB-2 410T cab and 55-02, it sounded great of course but its nice I can take a lighter cab & head and still put out some good tone. Im getting to know more how to EQ for these Neox 212T cabs, so thats cool, they really weren't serving me well before but it was me not EQing em correctly I realize now.

Still gotta take that bad 212T cab into shop on Sunday so they can check it out. I was gonna look at it myself but the buzz/fuzz tone its getting really sounds like something they can figure out before I would, dont want to part it out then take it in. Maybe Roger can send that speaker now but it could also be the tweeter that's out, so I'll see what they have to say and get with Roger if I have to, he's always had my back too and he's come thru for me a couple times on other issues, not cab related. I know with all my posts about these cabs not sounding low enough for me, folks will think I blew it with too much lows but I never heard them get to that point and did not really use em enough to damage em, I feel. This 2nd cab just never sounded right to me and maybe came damaged, again we'll see what dealer says.
GB por vida, y'all! :bassist:
 
#72
ErnieD said:
Still gotta take that bad 212T cab into shop on Sunday so they can check it out. I was gonna look at it myself but the buzz/fuzz tone its getting really sounds like something they can figure out before I would, dont want to part it out then take it in. Maybe Roger can send that speaker now but it could also be the tweeter that's out, so I'll see what they have to say and get with Roger if I have to, he's always had my back too and he's come thru for me a couple times on other issues, not cab related. I know with all my posts about these cabs not sounding low enough for me, folks will think I blew it with too much lows but I never heard them get to that point and did not really use em enough to damage em, I feel. This 2nd cab just never sounded right to me and maybe came damaged, again we'll see what dealer says.
GB por vida, y'all! :bassist:
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I recently got two NEOX-112T cabs that buzzed, and both were caused by speaker wires that had not been properly tied back. They were resting on the speaker cones, which caused the buzzing. Read about it here and see pictures of how to solve this issue:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=423921
 
#73
I just received my 212T last night. Unfortunately I was only able to try it for about 10 minutes. My only cabs for reference are my Eden D410T, D210T, and an Ampeg 610HLF I had recently for a 2 months.

My first impression was obviously how light it is!! Compared to even my D210T its a feather. I can lift this cab with one hand!

My initial thought after flattening my EQ was that its "mid heavy" compared to my eden cabs. I had to roll the low end up a little bit, cut a tad of mids, and turn down the horn to about 10 o'clock to get where I like my sound.
I'll know more after I play it some more tonight. Also, I have to break it in some too.
In any case its going to be a keeper by the weight and ease of transporting it alone. :)

I just hope I can squeeze in into the front seat of my honda civic!
 
#74
That's an interesting take on it... but you are right. The neoX212 doesn't fatten up 'till you push it. The 112 for low to medium gigs and the 212 when you are playing med. loud to LOUD. This cabinet needs to be pushed to it vibrating. I felt the same way (See my thread NeoX212..I WAS WRONG). You can also try using the cabinet on it's side, this will beef up the low end till you get used to it.


ko stradivarius said:
I just received my 212T last night. Unfortunately I was only able to try it for about 10 minutes. My only cabs for reference are my Eden D410T, D210T, and an Ampeg 610HLF I had recently for a 2 months.

My first impression was obviously how light it is!! Compared to even my D210T its a feather. I can lift this cab with one hand!

My initial thought after flattening my EQ was that its "mid heavy" compared to my eden cabs. I had to roll the low end up a little bit, cut a tad of mids, and turn down the horn to about 10 o'clock to get where I like my sound.
I'll know more after I play it some more tonight. Also, I have to break it in some too.
In any case its going to be a keeper by the weight and ease of transporting it alone. :)

I just hope I can squeeze in into the front seat of my honda civic!
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#75
I did read your original thread on cab buzz. I'd forgotten that it was concerning your GB cab. So I'll try here at home what you recommend in your thread, thanks for adding that here, and see if I can find the same problem you did. I bought my cabs, 1st one at a local store, 2nd from AM Supply. It came shipped in a GB factory box. Both were brand new cabs.

I noticed on back on the horn attenuators one cab has 25% (9:00) thru 75%(3:00) the other cab has numbers 0db-16/oo for the knobs. Does this tell anyone about when the cabs were made, cant imagine they are years apart, either fabricated or design wise? Should not be that sonically different.
 
#76
ErnieD said:
I did read your original thread on cab buzz. I'd forgotten that it was concerning your GB cab. So I'll try here at home what you recommend in your thread, thanks for adding that here, and see if I can find the same problem you did. I bought my cabs, 1st one at a local store, 2nd from AM Supply. It came shipped in a GB factory box. Both were brand new cabs.
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Be careful when you pry the speaker away from the front of the cab. There is a thin gasket between that will disintegrate unless you separate it carefully; try using a razor blade for that process. Otherwise you'll need to get a replacement gasket when you reinstall the speaker.
 
#78
ErnieD said:
will do. Though now Im rethinking messing with it. These cabs are under warranty, if I mess with them then take to dealer for the repair, wonder if that'd void the warranty(?)
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I isolated the buzz to my tweeter housing- try removing the grill and applying firm finger pressure pressure at the 12:00 position to the tweeter housing, or sitting on the cabinet with all of your weight right above the tweeter (I have no idea why sitting on it made it go away). If this works for you, then you probably have the same buzz that I did.

After speaking with Genz, my remedy was to pop the tweeter off (using a very fine pocket knife on the gasket so as to keep it together), reseat the tweeter, and use a 15V drill with some torque to get the screws on there nice and tight. I tried the drill initially by itself without reseating the tweeter, but that didn't work, so I proceeded from there. It's been a week + and so far, so good.
 
#80
Well I dropped the 212T cab off at local store Sunday that I bought it from a few months ago, I preferred this than messing with it here at home. I even tried laying the cab on all 4 sides and play thru it at home thinking if its loose wires maybe I could move em away from the driver, still buzzed. While there I played thru it briefly and we heard the buzz, store clerk turned the tweeter all way off while I played it and the buzz went away mostly. We could still hear some very light buzz but maybe this is just indicative of neo cabs, my other 212t kinda has a faint buzz/fuzz sorta noise if I push and hold a low note but just a little buzz/fuzz and not on all notes.

So they said they'd check it out for me and let me know. Roger already walked me thru what steps to take for warranty repair. I played thru the Uber 410 cab they had in the store while I was there with a GBE 750 like I own. I was not real blown away by the tone of this cab and I thought I heard a slight buzz in it as well. Maybe Im just such a ceramic-kinda-guy that I cant get used to neo's. But hopefully they can repair my 212t for good. I will be using my other 212T cab below my XB-2 410T cab at most gigs til I get the other cab back and decide if I want to hang onto em or not. I was looking for a used 210 ceramic driver cab to place below my XB-2 but I think my 212T should do the trick better than any 210. We'll see next couple gigs.
 

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