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Never Ordering a Schroeder Cab Again

He could sell the cabs but probably at a loss where if he had not been talked out of his original 8 ohm cabs he would be able to use them both and all would be well. Also it is amazing that none of the People in the know here have any Idea what could possibly be in that magic box to make it do the seemingly impossible. But I agree that without both sides of the deal here you can not make any judgement one way or the other .
 
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Yes I Did, Did you ? No one has said there was anything that could be in that box short of a matching Transformer that would not wreck the sound . And that a matching transformer would be heavy and expensive and not something given away. So what is it that I missed? From the op He wanted 8 ohm cabs and was told to get the 4 ohm cabs and the builder would supply a box to make it work out to a 4 ohm load.
 
He could sell the cabs but probably at a loss where if he had not been talked out of his original 8 ohm cabs he would be able to use them both and all would be well. Also it is amazing that none of the People in the know here have any Idea what could possibly be in that magic box to make it do the seemingly impossible. But I agree that without both sides of the deal here you can not make any judgement one way or the other .
I don't think this is accurate. He purchased the 15 cab FIRST. He used it for awhile, then ordered another cab after some time. THAT was when the thing about the box started. I don't think the OP originally wanted to purchase TWO cabs at once, but to add one later if need be. It would be nice if the OP would show up again some time soon.
 
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Also it is amazing that none of the People in the know here have any Idea what could possibly be in that magic box to make it do the seemingly impossible.
Not so amazing when one understands and relies on engineering rather than magic. As an engineer I've been asked occasionally to perform some technical feat that was not possible with technology we know now. It was not a failure on my part, it was just beyond what we can now do. So, anyway, the box Jurg mentioned to the OP remains a mystery. In the future?
 
they don't work. At least not the way he was told they would.
Go back and read the first post. They won't function.
If I delivered you a car and it didn't work would you be happy?
I think the point is that we don't really know what Jorg told him. Something may have (or probably has) gotten lost in the translation.
 
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I guess I'm
True, but we know based on what the op stated, that he reached out many times over the time between the purchase and now and did not get a reasonable response or replacement box.
I guess I'm just not up to speed here. It seems like a simple matter to phone Jorg and get an explanation. I've met Jorg and he seems like a straight shooter to me. That's why I'm guessing the the message sent was not the message received.
 
this company has a bad rep ....ive heard of thier cabs literally coming apart at the joints , never played thru one but heard several stories that theyere junk
Strange. Did a search in the forums, and not a single word about this here on Talkbass. Only positive comments on the cabs and the maker. (True, there were one or two negative, like this: "I haven't played it or owned it but I've heard from someone who knows someone who was negative"). If Schroeder and the maker had such a bad reputation, I'm absolutely sure there would be some evidence of it here in the forums.
 
Also it is amazing that none of the People in the know here have any Idea what could possibly be in that magic box to make it do the seemingly impossible.

If you read through the thread, you will see that both transformers and dummy load resistors have been discussed. So those "in the know" do have some idea how to achieve what the magic box is supposed to do, except there is no practical solution to the problem that won't affect amplifier performance and output power. So maybe it really is a magic box, and they just haven't tried the right spell yet...
 
And they all said the same thing the transformer was heavy and expensive so not the free solution and the Dummy load would Not sound very good and waste half the amp power so neither one is an intelligent workable solution . BTW I started reading this when the thread was still on page one and actually only had 4 posts and I have read the entire thing. And have gone back several times to check things before I post . And I don't choose to disregard comments about why things won't work so I can say did you read the thread they said Bla Bla Bla. I am still not picking sides here until all the info is in .
 
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Hi all! Man, sorry to leave everyone hanging! I was busy playing some shows and such. I had no idea there would be much interest in my experience with Schroeder cabs! Again, my apologies!

Let me restate, that I sincerely hated to make my post. I try to stay away from negative feedback such as this, but, after so much frustration and the constant feeling that I paid good money for two cabs and wasn't being taken care of, I felt I simply had no choice.

Also, again, I have nothing against Jorg, in some personal fashion. He may be the sweetest, most wonderful man God ever made. I also am THRILLED to hear that many have had great experiences with him. That's all excellent stuff. I'm simply giving you my experience.

I, originally, was considering a 15+2x10 cab. 4 ohms. Jorg and I went back and forth. After having some good experience with the Berg 15+6, I said, "you know what, why don't we do a Schroeder 15+6 at 8ohms?" Jorg told me he couldn't do a 6" speaker, but could do and 8" speaker. He also recommended that I do it at 4 ohms. I had in mind that we would do 8ohms, so I could potentially add 12's or 10's, should I like the cabinet. Jorg then told me that he had developed a box that would enable me to utilize both 4 ohm cabs with an amp that could only handle a minimum 4ohm load, and that the box had been thoroughly tested and was trustworthy. Should I have questioned that issue further? Well, ya, probably, but, you know, Jorg is the pro, and, as stated, a good number of folks seem to have had good experiences. So, I went w/his recommendation. Also, and hmmm... maybe this has been an experience specific to only me, but I found Jorg giving off a vibe of, "dude, stop asking me questions. I sell cabs. Do you want one or not?" I always sort of got the impression that he was doing me a favor? Again, that was my impression. I thought I was nuts, but, after this last email between him and myself, I'm not so sure I was wrong :/

Anyhow, he told me he'd ship the "box" with the 15+8, which didn't happen. I had to chase him down via email yet again, and get the box mailed to me, separately. I'll have to dig through email, to determine what that timeframe was. I wasn't in a huge hurry, as I was playing with the 15+8 on it's own. After a few months with the 15+8, I determined I wanted to hear his 10's and 12's. As I did the first go-around, I went to his "used" page. See if I could find a deal on a cabinet already made. His response was the same as it was every other time I have inquired about a particular used cabinet, "oh, that cabinet is sold. I haven't updated my page, but I can build you a new cabinet." I think I've received that comment, three times? Anyhow, I had the 15+8, finally had the box in hand, and ordered the 12+10.

Once I had the 12+10 in hand, I started to attempt to work with the box. Now, please keep in mind, I'm a vintage equipment guy. The dUg amp is an attempt to NOT have to keep lugging around SVT's and guitar rigs lol. So, things, like speakon cables, are fairly new to me. I had no idea, until you guys pointed it out, that there were different types of speakon cables (thank you, once again). When I reached out to Jorg, to let him know I couldn't get my cables to fit, he seemed as confused as I was. He sent me a photo of a general speakon cable, sitting on a table, and said, "you need one of these." Of course, that didn't solve the issue, as none of the cables in my possession seemed to fit.

When I couldn't get them to fit, he said he would have another one made for me. On my side, it should have occurred to me that, perhaps, speakon cables were not all the same. As I stated, I don't utilize them much, and was deferring to Jorg's guidance. Not an excuse, just how the situation was unfolding. In retrospect, I still don't understand why Jorg couldn't have reached out to whoever built the box and said, "hey, man, I have this guy who ordered two, new cabs from me. He can't get the box to work and also has some questions about how it functions. Could you give him a quick call?" THAT would have been the correct response to the situation. I could have figured out that, out of all the speakon cables I had, none of them was the correct one, and I could have asked some questions about the functionality of the box. Particularly since I was about to plug the thing into an $1,800 head lol. That simple phone call connection would have show some semblance of concern, on Jorg's part.

As it was, I would email him, and he would email me back, saying, "I need to get you another, to try." After a few months of this, I finally sent him a final email, stating, "Jorg. I can't utilize these two cabs together as you had in mind, without getting that box up and running. I'm going to sell these cabs. PLEASE send me another box." His response?

"Scott

My engineer had surgery and is in the hospital

Therefore the delay

Things can happen

Thank you"

That's a quote... and that's when I lost it. After so many emails to him, asking for his help, I decided to share my experience. I'm a VERY patient and kind guy, and have reached out to Jorg far too many times. He made his recommendations to me as to how to proceed with the cabs he was building me, and then simply would not help me get them up and running. Again, it appears that neither he nor I know much about speakon cables and the "box", and, in my mind, it was incumbent on Jorg to put me in touch w/someone who DID KNOW. Preferably, the guy who made the damned box lol!

So, in the end, would I change how I handles some of my decisions? Yep. I would, but, altogether, Jorg received his requested price for both cabinets, immediately. He should have stood behind his products and his recommendations. I mean, am I wrong in my conclusions? Am I losing my mind, here?