Thanks for all the ideas. Given my objective was to get the lightest, smallest, one trip gear possible and this would be a backup amp after failure of the main amp, then I think the TC BAM200 is probably the way to go.
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Double Bass New Acoustic Image 'DOUBLESHOT'
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The TC BAM 200 great little amplifier, that's pretty remarkable for it's size and the cost. One thing that's different about it is the speaker connector is a standard
1/4" Phone Jack. Since most cabinets use a Neutrix connector these days, you'll need a speaker cable that's 1/4" Phone to Neutrix.
1/4" Phone Jack. Since most cabinets use a Neutrix connector these days, you'll need a speaker cable that's 1/4" Phone to Neutrix.
Given the extremely low efficiency of the Doubleshot, I would put more emphasis on power than getting the smallest possible backup amp. Of course, factor your actual volume needs into the equation. As I have said elsewhere, I seriously doubt the Doubleshot 118dB of max SPL would meet all of my volume requirements, but I played in concert bands and big bands.
The most comparable speaker I have used would be an Acme Low-B2. This cab is rated for 93dB W/M, which is relatively low, but noticeably higher than the calculated (90dB) sensitivity I derived for the Doubleshot. I could easily use an Acme in a big band with a large power amp, but I had to be careful to avoid over driving the drivers. I liked the Acme but I didn't feel it had a lot of dynamic range or headroom. With a small power amp I really struggled to hear myself.
This is an extremely relevant post. 5dB doesn't seem like a lot. But if the Doubleshot with 600W is barely enough, loosing 5db of headroom will seem huge on the bandstand.
At the very least, I suggest you try the double shot in-store with a 200W amp before making the purchase.
Ultimately it's your money and your choice, so good luck!
Well of course hearing is believing.
Amplifier manufactures typically do not tell what kind of simple high pass filter is used to wash out the infrasonic frequencies between 1-20 Hz. So it’s hard to know whether or not there’s a fixed frequency HPF on the BAM or not. It’s pretty common practice to do that, so the speaker doesn’t have to attempt reproducing those frequencies.
Judging from the volume/master settings I use with my Clarus 4S, the DoubleShot, is indeed rather inefficient. At *4 ohms*, the DoubleShot needs the same amplifier settings that I need with my *8 ohm* Fearless F112 speaker to get usable volume in the same big band setting (both knobs at noon). YMMV since I also have my HPF and Tech 21 Para Driver DI boxes in front of the Clarus—but identical settings work with both speakers and the Fearless is a well-known power pig.
I've been using the Doubleshot for a few weeks now and have decided its a keeper. Previously had the Upshot and it was just shy of handing enough volume for me. Now the search is on for a case, I'm leaning towards a tom case rather than the backpack as I usually have a small backpack with me for head, cables, etc.
Looking at 2 and wondering if anyone has used a tom bag with the Doubleshot:
Chromacast Tom Drum bag, inside dimensions are 16.5" diameter by 11" height https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K5WFMTG
Gator GP 1614 Protecthor, inside dimensions are 16" diameter by 14"height (with the extra height could probably fit a small head in the bag too) https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...rotechtor-standard-tom-bag-16-inch-by-14-inch
Any Doubleshot users have experience with either of these bags, or other suggestions?
Looking at 2 and wondering if anyone has used a tom bag with the Doubleshot:
Chromacast Tom Drum bag, inside dimensions are 16.5" diameter by 11" height https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K5WFMTG
Gator GP 1614 Protecthor, inside dimensions are 16" diameter by 14"height (with the extra height could probably fit a small head in the bag too) https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...rotechtor-standard-tom-bag-16-inch-by-14-inch
Any Doubleshot users have experience with either of these bags, or other suggestions?
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While I’ve not played through either of these specific cabs I would choose the MAS because the tone quality (timbre) and dispersion of the 2x6 sounds better when you’re amplifying a Double Bass. Although Eden cabinets were not specifically built for Electric Bass their voicing is better suited to that instrument. Unless the Eden EX-112 is the exception for Double Bass.
I used an Eden D210XLT and/or D410XLT for several years. The upper mids are sort of harsh and hard to dial in IMHO, but otherwise I thought they sounded fine. I am sure a MAS dab would sound way better. As far as I am concerned, the more HiFi, the better with string bass.
Oh, I didn't really mean to compare the two in general. Only comparing on the basis of loudness/efficiency. Tone, fidelity, dispersion, low end and high end, the MAS is in a whole other league. That said, the Eden is really good for a conventional cabinet, especially considering that it's really cheap. It has a whizzer cone with a gentle mid forward sound that works well for both electric and upright bass. Dispersion through the mids is pretty good, but the highs beam like a laser. Funny, I thought Edens were designed for electric bass?
The MAS may not be as sensitive as the Eden at 1W, but with the rear wave, aka MVW technology, I think it ultimately goes as loud or louder and carries bigger rooms with more low end.
The EX110 and EX112 have whizzer cones, so totally different mids, I would think.
IME, Chromacast bags are quite high quality at a very reasonable price. Haven't used that one in particular though.
16" may be a little too wide.
I bought a Tom Bag used, no Name on it, but it' s something like 13"x13", or so, for the inside Dimensions.
That is a tight fit with the Clarus SL on Top and cables around.
But i had to open up one side of the bag, to be able to get the DS in.
There are Bags that have that feature of the Zipper going down to the side (Ahead Armor tom bag was one i saw), i would recommend that Feature if you want a somewhat tight fit, otherwise its difficult to get the DS in, because of the handle and Rubber feets.
Or you accept a little bigger size.
But 16" may be too big (for my taste at least).
Just my Experience.
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Here's mine, with my Clarus headMaybe a pic showing a head mounted would be useful for those of us who can't picture how it would work
yhx - I dug a bit deeper and found the interior dimensions for bags, ended up ordering one thats 14 wide x 11 high. Will post info once its received.
Just had my first chance to play this cab out with others; jazz trio (guitar, bass, drums). I used a Doubleshot with a Genz Benz Streamliner head. Full Circle pickup on my Shen 190 plugged directly into the amp, sounded great - nice and fat, warm, plenty loud with headroom to spare. Very happy camper here.
OK Doubleshot users, case report here. I ordered a Gator Protechtor GP 1210 tom bag from Sweetwater, it arrived today. It's a very good fit, decently padded with a long strap that can go over one shoulder. No room in the bag for anything else (maybe speaker/power cables). $29.99 shipped. Hard to beat at that price. I considered going the backpack route but decided that this would be an easier carry, as I almost always have a backpack with head, parts, strings, etc.
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A few photos below.
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Seems there would be a market for a 2 channel/Double shot combo. No mounting, no patching etc. Still under 20 lbs. The separates seem unwieldily and a bit funky to me.
I dont think that its a big deal. My usual rig used to be a RevSound 28 cab with a separate bass head. I carried the head in a padded backpack with all the other stuff (cords, music, spare strings, etc). I could make it from my car into the gig with a single carry - backpack, bass against my body with one hand on a strap, and the cabinet in the other hand. I can use the same backpack/head with a larger speaker cabinet (210) for bigger outdoor gigs if needed. If it was a combo, I wouldn't have that flexibility. If I lived in a city and/or had to walk far with my gear, then the Doubleshot in the AI backback w/head and cables enclosed on my back, and the bass, would be a pretty easy carry.
I'm all about flexibility - different rigs for different gigs. Sometimes its the Eminence EUB with a pedalboard and a larger rig. Couldn't do that if I had a combo.
I bit the bullet and got a doubleshot a week ago. I am not a huge fan of acoustic image amps, but I loved my Clarus for years. Their combos seemed to never worked for me, but after trying an Upshot in store(and loving it) I decided to go big with the DoubleShot.
I may be in the extreme minority based on this thread, but I didn't quite like it the way I thought I would. The concept is amazing and truly unique, but I think it makes it a little less versatile than intended. I really could not get a focused sound out of it in my house. I think since it has speakers pointing in all directions, the minute I got any bit of volume and focus I got feedback and rattles from it. Also the midrange speaker seems to be almost useless. I put my ear to it with the button in and out and didn't get much sound from it. With my electric plugged in it only had mostly hiss.
I know I shouldn't judge a speaker only by its use in the house, but compared to my wizzy 10 and crappy GK mb112 lunchbox, it just wasn't very focused or full. I will say that the sound improved immensely the minute I put it in a chair. I would not be surprised that this thing sounds great in a big room or hall, but I need it to be good in small spaces also. I find myself against a wall at most of my gigs and it says clearly in the manual to avoid having this against a wall. So I figured this isn't the one for me.
Also mine looks alot different than some of these pics. I have no plastic rim around the speaker like most.
Just offering my two cents....
I may be in the extreme minority based on this thread, but I didn't quite like it the way I thought I would. The concept is amazing and truly unique, but I think it makes it a little less versatile than intended. I really could not get a focused sound out of it in my house. I think since it has speakers pointing in all directions, the minute I got any bit of volume and focus I got feedback and rattles from it. Also the midrange speaker seems to be almost useless. I put my ear to it with the button in and out and didn't get much sound from it. With my electric plugged in it only had mostly hiss.
I know I shouldn't judge a speaker only by its use in the house, but compared to my wizzy 10 and crappy GK mb112 lunchbox, it just wasn't very focused or full. I will say that the sound improved immensely the minute I put it in a chair. I would not be surprised that this thing sounds great in a big room or hall, but I need it to be good in small spaces also. I find myself against a wall at most of my gigs and it says clearly in the manual to avoid having this against a wall. So I figured this isn't the one for me.
Also mine looks alot different than some of these pics. I have no plastic rim around the speaker like most.
Just offering my two cents....
I have to wonder if the front firing mid driver is working properly. That is where you perception of focus should come from. If the mid driver is only producing hiss, it sounds like something is wrong.
I don't actually own this product, but that is my experience with previous AI speakers. Perhaps someone who owns a Doubleshot will comment.
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