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Double Bass New Acoustic Image 'DOUBLESHOT'

#141
rickwolff said:
I'll have to talk about this with Rick when I see him later this week.

MY 'REAL-WORLD' EXPERIENCE WITH CAB PLACEMENT, or sub-titled:

Boominess is not a rich bass sound.

I played in a large ballroom last night. We had plenty of FOH and they seemed to really know what they were doing. However, we were on a stage with a wood floor and wood walls behind us and on the sides. Probably shouldn't have surprised me that the bass was very BOOOOOMY. I turned the bass knob down to about 2 and it took out most of the boominess but also TOOK OUT MOST OF THE FAT, RICH BASS TONE. I felt a little bit like Jaco playing a double bass. Definitely not my sound.

After our first break, I grabbed a folding chair (padded seat and backrest) and placed the Doubleshot on that. Then I turned the Bass know back to 12 o:clock and 'Voila', my sound was back.

Important Note: This doesn't just apply to the Doubleshot. I was playing one of my regular venues about a week ago, also a very boomy room with all hard surfaces. My MAS 16 was sounding boomy - not what I expect from that cab. The pianist I was working with (who is a pretty smart guy) suggested I move it out away from the wall. That got rid of 70% of the boominess. On the next break I put it up on a chair (just as I did last night), and the sound was GREAT.

So, my takeaway is this: regardless of the science and the design intent It's more important to let your ears be the judge. For me, boominess is never a good thing, and to get rid of that sometimes you just have to get the cab up off the floor.
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yes yes yes +1

Its the interaction of an amp with the room, so a combination of adjustments including Placement/HPF/EQ will achieve satisfactory results in 'most' rooms. I like to think of it as Placement for the room, HPF for the clarity, EQ for tone. (And if theres FOH, all the better, your stage amp is just a monitor anyway)

Back in the late 90s I saw a cat with his combo amp facing the wall. Sounded great out front, when I got onstage to play his setup it sounded even better! He was using the room to his advantage. Soon after that I think I saw the first AI Codas, I bought my first Clarus after that (2004?) I was hooked. Anyway... sorry late night reminiscing, don't just turn d'em knobs, consider the walls/corners and floor too ;)
 
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#142
rickwolff said:
Mark, that little angle bracket is an incredibly useful 'bit of kit'.
I'm really glad to hear that you are going to have them available again.
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Just got in a huge shipment of them, [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]!
 
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#143
Took the Doubleshot out to a friends gig tonight and had him play through it. A fairly loud band and room. The piano is miced through the house PA. The bass was just going through the Doubleshot and sounded great. The bassist wasn't pushing it at all and could have gone a lot louder.

 
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BTW, I talked with both the bassist and the drummer on the break.

They both really liked the sound of the Doubleshot. It was easy for both of them to hear.

I had the speaker up on a stand with a small 'table' I had made and the bassist really liked having it up close to his ears.

He was most amazed, however, by the tiny size and ridiculously low weight.
 
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rickwolff said:
Took the Doubleshot out to a friends gig tonight and had him play through it. A fairly loud band and room. The piano is miced through the house PA. The bass was just going through the Doubleshot and sounded great. The bassist wasn't pushing it at all and could have gone a lot louder.

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Rick,

The DS sounds great. I like your table idea and built one myself with some nice 1/2” plywood I found in someone’s trash. There was enough left over to make a little 12” cab. Being a guitarist as well, I wanted a 12” cab that I could use with my AI head. It sounds great!

Incidentally, I have, what I think, is a good idea for pole mounting the DS. Once it arrives, I will start the design and build.

Thanks for all of the research, Rick.

PS- the guitar cab has a pole mount. Haha.
 
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Michael Drost said:
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Rick,

The DS sounds great. I like your table idea and built one myself with some nice 1/2” plywood I found in someone’s trash. There was enough left over to make a little 12” cab. Being a guitarist as well, I wanted a 12” cab that I could use with my AI head. It sounds great!

Incidentally, I have, what I think, is a good idea for pole mounting the DS. Once it arrives, I will start the design and build.

Thanks for all of the research, Rick.

PS- the guitar cab has a pole mount. Haha.
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Michael,

If you could get (or make, or modify) a top-hat cup so that the flange had the same radius as the DoubleShot speaker it would be an easy thing to mount.

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As an alternative, perhaps cutting some wooden spacers with a band saw to mate the flat flange to the round speaker might work.

But then you've probably already got a better idea.

I imagine Rick Jones will be interested.
 
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rickwolff said:
Michael,

If you could get (or make, or modify) a top-hat cup so that the flange had the same radius as the DoubleShot speaker it would be an easy thing to mount.

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As an alternative, perhaps cutting some wooden spacers with a band saw to mate the flat flange to the round speaker might work.

But then you've probably already got a better idea.

I imagine Rick Jones will be interested.
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Rick,

I have been in the shop working on something. It's not refined yet. I hope to share it soon!

Mike
 
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#148
rickwolff said:
...If you could get (or make, or modify) a top-hat cup so that the flange had the same radius as the DoubleShot speaker it would be an easy thing to mount...
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You can round the flange to match the curvature of the cab. It’s hammer time! Beat it into submission.

Also, there’s not much cab volume between the woofers. Would the volume of the cup make an appreciable difference? Or is that not an issue with a sealed cab?
 
#149
@Michael Drost - I love what you've done so far with the platform. Here are a couple of ideas to make it or something like it fit the Double Shot:

- The easiest thing would seem to be to have a couple of small angled wings sticking up off the platform that wedge into the places where the little rubber feet go. They could even be routed to fit them for maximum stability.

- Alternately, if you measured everything carefully, you could use the flat platform like the one you built and rout out angled holes to hold the feet. The only issue I see with this is that if the cabinet bottom touched the platform, it might vibrate sympathetically.

I'm actually scheming about a DIY project to attach a small platform onto the handle of my Superflightcase that could hold a Noble Preamp a few inches above the handle. Bass nerd powers, ACTIVATE!
 
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So, I came up with my "V.1" SHotSeat idea.

Yesterday I got to thinking...wouldn't it be cool to have a stand/mount to not only elevate the DoubleShot but also one that would allow the cab to rotate on the stand to get optimal "mid-range" speaker angle? So I went down to my workshop and knocked out this little bracket(see pic and video). The only thing missing would be hinges mounted on the side mounts to fold in for storage. As I was designing it, I thought...perhaps I could make it with a dual purpose? I adjust the measurements it to fit the Upshot as well allowing for a traditional forward firing speaker. I actually don't know if it fits the Doubleshot as I don't have mine yet, but I based my dimensions off the dimensions on the Gollihur site.

It's kind of "shoppy" and not refined yet, but it could be cool if I could get my nephew(who is out of the country) to 3D print some parts. : ).

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Michael Drost said:
So, I came up with my "V.1" SHotSeat idea.

Yesterday I got to thinking...wouldn't it be cool to have a stand/mount to not only elevate the DoubleShot but also one that would allow the cab to rotate on the stand to get optimal "mid-range" speaker angle? So I went down to my workshop and knocked out this little bracket(see pic and video). The only thing missing would be hinges mounted on the side mounts to fold in for storage. As I was designing it, I thought...perhaps I could make it with a dual purpose? I adjust the measurements it to fit the Upshot as well allowing for a traditional forward firing speaker. I actually don't know if it fits the Doubleshot as I don't have mine yet, but I based my dimensions off the dimensions on the Gollihur site.

It's kind of "shoppy" and not refined yet, but it could be cool if I could get my nephew(who is out of the country) to 3D print some parts. : ).

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Michael Drost said:
So, I came up with my "V.1" SHotSeat idea.

Yesterday I got to thinking...wouldn't it be cool to have a stand/mount to not only elevate the DoubleShot but also one that would allow the cab to rotate on the stand to get optimal "mid-range" speaker angle? So I went down to my workshop and knocked out this little bracket(see pic and video). The only thing missing would be hinges mounted on the side mounts to fold in for storage. As I was designing it, I thought...perhaps I could make it with a dual purpose? I adjust the measurements it to fit the Upshot as well allowing for a traditional forward firing speaker. I actually don't know if it fits the Doubleshot as I don't have mine yet, but I based my dimensions off the dimensions on the Gollihur site.

It's kind of "shoppy" and not refined yet, but it could be cool if I could get my nephew(who is out of the country) to 3D print some parts. : ).

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The ability to rotate the cab makes it more flexible than a permanent cup mount and requires no modification to the cab. Might also hold a small taiko drum.
 
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So I've recently been researching wedge-shaped speaker designs so I can hear myself better on gigs. With this cabinet would you say that aiming the midrange driver at your has the effect of a monitor wedge? Being that the mids are directional and the lows are more omnidirectional? Also forgive me a it's been adressed but how would this speaker handle medium volume electric bass gig that would typically be covered with another 2x10 cabinet like an SWR or ampeg?
 
#157
When I switched to IEMs ~ 8 years ago, I sold my 4x10 and picked up a Ten2 combo, both for stage monitor support when IEMs are out, and to add some rumble when IEMs are in. I play exclusively 5-string electric bass in a 7-10 piece event band (usually multiple guitars, keys, and horns).

The Ten2 has held up incredibly well! I often start sets with IEMs out, and put em in when stage volume picks up for later-night dance sets. Even with IEMs in, the Ten2 provides a nice thump I can feel. We're also able to keep bass down in other stage monitors as the Ten2 carries well to even the far side of the stage.

But... I think I'm gonna try to sell the Ten2 for the DoubleShot. I don't doubt it'll work just as well as the Ten2 for my purpose, and the size is ridiculous. Well done again, AI.
 
#159
Timmy-Watts said:
Rick, what is that mic stand rig your amp is mounted on? And what amp is that? That looks like the perfect setup, having the amp right where you can reach it, and then put the cab anywhere you want...
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I just recently got my Clarus SL and it has a "quarter 20" on the bottom. This is the quarter inch, 20 threads per inch screw mount that is used in photography. So you could screw this onto any camera tripod or any stand that also has a 1/4" 20 threaded screw. Like this:
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or if you want some articulation you could get one of these mic stand adapters:
https://www.amazon.com/CM01-Camera-Digital-Recorder-Adapter/dp/B001GWCC4I
 
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