New Behringer Toro: desktop Moog Taurus?

[superdick2112]

Even though I own a Taurus III, I'm going to get the Toro when it's available.
I want to build something a little more stage friendly with a smaller footprint (hoofprint?) than the T3.

 

[MtManiac]

I get a kick out of Behringer haters showing up in an obviously Behringer focused thread to take a dump on Behringer.

You’re obviously entitled to your own opinion as much as anyone else, but why you’d think anyone is interested in your outrage is beyond me.

Sadowsky makes “rip offs” of Fenders. Really, any/every bolt neck guitar or bass is a Fender “rip off”. Fender sells a *lot* of Fenders.

Solidgoldfx, Tech 21, Catalinbread and many *many* other effects companies make SVT preamp and overdrive pedals, yet Ampeg is still going strong and arguably stronger than ever. If you have an SVT, you don’t need any of those pedals.

If Moog was at all interested in capturing this market, they have everything they need to do so, it isn’t as if they’re unable to make their own product less expensive than Behringer does; they choose not to.

Same as Genz Benz. They’re not in the slightest bit threatened by Behringer/Bugera because people who want a GB and can afford a GB will get a GB regardless of what Bugera “rips off”. People who will buy and use a Bugera don’t care about your opinion of their amp and they never intended to buy a Genz Benz in the first place and would be spending their money on a Fender Rumble or whatever else if there were no Bugeras.

Anyway, you’re certainly entitled to a self superior moralistic opinion, but you should know that nobody cares about it, least of all Moog. Also, it’s not a good look.

 

[revd]

That told 'em! Again!

B certainly make cheap, super attractive gear, absolutely no doubt that. Uli sells exactly what tonnes of people apparently want.

I am sure that if it ever sees the light of day, this will sell shed loads.

 

[Mariachi507]

I get a kick out of Behringer haters showing up in an obviously Behringer focused thread to take a dump on Behringer.

You’re obviously entitled to your own opinion as much as anyone else, but why you’d think anyone is interested in your outrage is beyond me.

Sadowsky makes “rip offs” of Fenders. Really, any/every bolt neck guitar or bass is a Fender “rip off”. Fender sells a *lot* of Fenders.

Solidgoldfx, Tech 21, Catalinbread and many *many* other effects companies make SVT preamp and overdrive pedals, yet Ampeg is still going strong and arguably stronger than ever. If you have an SVT, you don’t need any of those pedals.

If Moog was at all interested in capturing this market, they have everything they need to do so, it isn’t as if they’re unable to make their own product less expensive than Behringer does; they choose not to.

Same as Genz Benz. They’re not in the slightest bit threatened by Behringer/Bugera because people who want a GB and can afford a GB will get a GB regardless of what Bugera “rips off”. People who will buy and use a Bugera don’t care about your opinion of their amp and they never intended to buy a Genz Benz in the first place and would be spending their money on a Fender Rumble or whatever else if there were no Bugeras.

Anyway, you’re certainly entitled to a self superior moralistic opinion, but you should know that nobody cares about it, least of all Moog. Also, it’s not a good look.

Preach!

 

[Les Fret]

A Taurus without the foot pedals? Why? The whole point of the Taurus is controlling it with your feet.
Can you attach other pedals?

 

[cosmicevan]

Wow....the Beringer defending is almost as shameless as the copying Behringer does themselves. Y'all realize that Beringer gear wouldn't exist if there was nothing to copy?

The originals cost more cause sometimes you need to invest a year in a handful of super talented engineer/musicians (who aren't cheap) to create the device from nothing, figure out how to produce it in a way that's profitable and then market it to actually sell it and make your investment back. The originals weren't slapped together in an afternoon ya know and the people designing them and bringing them to market had to get paid for that work...or do you work for free to help your company bring costs down while developing new products?

Then you get a company like Beringer to come along, take your thing apart, figure out how to make it as cheaply as possible and then undercut your market (and more than likely even make it look the same and then tie you up in courts forever trying to defend your property)...and then the customer base has the balls to call out the designer for selling the product at the cheapest they are able to. Wow.

Some of y'all need to open your eyes to the larger picture of why there are behringer haters...it has everything to do with preserving the future of forward thinking companies...and very little to do with things being sold at low prices.

 

[progjeff]

Wow....the Beringer defending is almost as shameless as the copying Behringer does themselves. Y'all realize that Beringer gear wouldn't exist if there was nothing to copy?

The originals cost more cause sometimes you need to invest a year in a handful of super talented engineer/musicians (who aren't cheap) to create the device from nothing, figure out how to produce it in a way that's profitable and then market it to actually sell it and make your investment back. The originals weren't slapped together in an afternoon ya know and the people designing them and bringing them to market had to get paid for that work...or do you work for free to help your company bring costs down while developing new products?

Then you get a company like Beringer to come along, take your thing apart, figure out how to make it as cheaply as possible and then undercut your market (and more than likely even make it look the same and then tie you up in courts forever trying to defend your property)...and then the customer base has the balls to call out the designer for selling the product at the cheapest they are able to. Wow.

Some of y'all need to open your eyes to the larger picture of why there are behringer haters...it has everything to do with preserving the future of forward thinking companies...and very little to do with things being sold at low prices.

Well maybe you can convince Moog to start making an unlimited number of Taurus 1's again since there seems to be a market for them. Problem solved. If they make it ,people will come. Behringer is only filling a niche that Moog is ignoring.

 

[cosmicevan]

Well maybe you can convince Moog to start making an unlimited number of Taurus 1's again since there seems to be a market for them. Problem solved. If they make it ,people will come. Behringer is only filling a niche that Moog is ignoring.

What about the stuff they copy that's actively available? Now there is no opportunity for them to revisit the design.

 

[progjeff]

What about the stuff they copy that's actively available? Now there is no opportunity for them to revisit the design.

I think you make some valid points on still available products, however this thread has only been about an item no longer available but still sought after.

 

[ric4682]

What about the stuff they copy that's actively available? Now there is no opportunity for them to revisit the design.

This thread isn’t about products that are actively available. Behringer is the only one making something like this so they aren’t undercutting anyone in this instance.

I made this thread because I’m curious about a specific product that Behringer makes and others do not. I get it, Behringer is evil and other companies are not. I’m not defending Behringer’s business model as a whole, and there are already NUMEROUS threads where people get into the ethics of their practices and products. However, this thread is not for that. If you want to debate that please take it to a relevant thread. I would like to keep this thread about the specific product I created it for.

 

[J Posega]

What about the stuff they copy that's actively available? Now there is no opportunity for them to revisit the design.

I dunno, I see it going the other way, too. Now these companies that designed the originals have actual competition. Maybe they'll invest the time and energy into developing other new products. Also, why would the existence of a clone keep a company from revisiting their own product line?

There's about 1209383485128903723598203480938084750918401 copies, clones, and ripoffs of the Ibanez Tubescreamer and yet they're still in production.

I don't think Behringer is putting anyone out of business with their clones. If they are, I would certainly change my tune.

 

[progjeff]

I guess at this point, we need to hear a demo of the darn thing to see if it's even worth the small investment.

 

[Robomoog]

Really interested in this.

 

[ric4682]

Anyone hear any news on this yet?

 

[48thStreetCustom]

Think Keith McMillen 12step, makes a great foot controller.

I have a McMillen 12Step and it works perfectly fine for my needs, but if you're doing intricate footwork, it's not built for that. I wouldn't recommend it to an organ player doing walking bass lines with his feet.

 

[Mariachi507]

I have a McMillen 12Step and it works perfectly fine for my needs, but if you're doing intricate footwork, it's not built for that. I wouldn't recommend it to an organ player doing walking bass lines with his feet.

I would be all over that thing if it was cheaper. Especially considering that an additional component must be bought to make it functional for this kind of purpose.

I'd buy two!

 

[48thStreetCustom]

I would be all over that thing if it was cheaper. Especially considering that an additional component must be bought to make it functional for this kind of purpose.

I'd buy two!

It's good, don't get me wrong. But the buttons aren't as good as the Moog pedals for fast footwork. It might work better if you velcro it down.

 

[Spidey2112]

We're to page 3, and my interest in wanting one of these has not Bruce Waned.