New Bergie sealed 410

[SCT1422]

The cab does sound bigger and kind of helps filling the stage with a little more presence... It also scares my trombone player !! I'm usually standing in front of my cab/cabs and I can hear the cab better.. It's kind of tough to really explain and something you just have to try out..

 

[NKBassman]

I thought everyone hated them Orange isobaric cabs because of the rear speakers, so isn't this the same concept?

No. Totally different idea.

 

[shoot-r]

Not sure why I’d want to fire one of my speakers at the curtain behind me. Or the wall.

Maybe I’m just spoiled by my NV610.

+1!

NV610 owner here also, (and I too just don't see any advantage to rear-firing a driver on any stage I've ever played.)
I'd rather see that back-firing 10 on the front with the other three and in a taller cabinet, say 43" T. x 18.5" W. x 15" D.

For me, the one draw-back of the Berg 610 cabinets are their short, squat, 36" tall cabinet.
On a tight stage the highs and mids blow right past the back of your legs, (I angle mine up at my ears with a piece of foam.)

I gigged two 210 cabinets stacked as a vertical 410 for nearly 9-1/2 years, there's definitely something to be said about having that top driver up nearer your ears in a taller configuration!

Mr. B, maybe a tall version of the NV610/NV610T also while I'm wishing?




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[J.Wolf]

I'm not hearing any complaints from HG owners about the rear firing driver. I'm guessing that Jim, as usual, put enough thought and effort into the design that it is all benefit, and no drawbacks. Or at least no bigger of a consideration than a rear ported cab (in that it needs to not be pushed up against a wall, much like a rear ported cab needs a couple inches to breath). Maybe @Fuzzbass can comment on his HG experiences

 

[HaphAsSard]

I'm not hearing any complaints from HG owners about the rear firing driver. I'm guessing that Jim, as usual, put enough thought and effort into the design that it is all benefit, and no drawbacks. Or at least no bigger of a consideration than a rear ported cab (in that it needs to not be pushed up against a wall, much like a rear ported cab needs a couple inches to breath).

Word. Well, everything in life involves some tradeoff or another, but I would expect this cab to at least cater to some players even if it were an extremely specialised design for very specific applications (which I doubt it is). I'd love to read up on it straight from the horse's mouth, or from a professional reviewer. @tombowlus?

I'm surprised that the implication that Mr. Bergantino basically doesn't know what he's doing has been made, repeatedly in this thread, even by fans of other products of his...

 

[J.Wolf]

Well, people are blown away by the HG. So people can speculate, but the proof is in the pudding.

 

[Plastalmonus]

I like the idea of mic’ing the rear speaker.

 

[Fuzzbass]

I'm not hearing any complaints from HG owners about the rear firing driver. I'm guessing that Jim, as usual, put enough thought and effort into the design that it is all benefit, and no drawbacks. Or at least no bigger of a consideration than a rear ported cab (in that it needs to not be pushed up against a wall, much like a rear ported cab needs a couple inches to breath). Maybe @Fuzzbass can comment on his HG experiences

I've been using my HG310 cabs for over a year. Tweeter is the best I've ever heard in a bass cab. I love that they are sealed -- it's the main reason why I like them much more than the CN210 and CN112 cabs I'd used previously. More comments below.

Maybe I’m just spoiled by my NV610.

I'm spoiled by the NV610 also! As I've said dozens of times, it's the best cab I've ever owned or heard. I use it every chance I get, however it's too big for half of my gigs, and I also leave it at home when there's a tricky load-in. The reason I chose HG310s as my secondary rig is that they are light, modular.... and sealed. They have the sealed punch, but then they also have that neo vibe. They are DEFINITELY NOT an NV cab. I can get the HGs to sound very good, but my ears will never like them as much as the NV610.

your statement of it sounding bigger is what I would expect because the cab is purposefully firing in multi-directions. For me, I can only conceive of this being a negative result as I’ve played too many rooms where it was difficult enough to get the bass from reverberating. This configuration most certainly will add to that pain.

Not in my experience. I've used the HG310 in many dodgy situations (I'm a jack of many bar bands), and they actually sound better than the ported cabs I previously used in those same situations. My first thought is it's because they are sealed, but it's probably more complicated than that.

I'm no audio engineer, but the only negatives to the rear placement that I can imagine are as follows: you might lose the benefit of the rear speaker when playing outdoors where there's no reflective surface behind you, or when the rear of the cab is placed against something like a heavy curtain.

I try to keep the cab at least 10" from the wall. The speaker cable pretty much guarantees 4", but I don't know the minimum recommended distance. @bebass , do you know?

 

[tombowlus]

Word. Well, everything in life involves some tradeoff or another, but I would expect this cab to at least cater to some players even if it were an extremely specialised design for very specific applications (which I doubt it is). I'd love to read up on it straight from the horse's mouth, or from a professional reviewer. @tombowlus?

No official review (yet), but I've been gigging my HG310's for a while now, and there is no specific drawback which I can identify with the rear-facing woofer. Maybe it would be a bit louder if the box were larger and that driver was on the front baffle, but that defeats the compact design. If anything, the rear-facing woofer is an asset that most other cabs cannot match.

I agree that the real magic of the HG is the tweeter and crossover, and the way they blend in with the response from the drivers. I've talked with Jim about the HG410, but I have not heard one in person yet. Looking forward to checking it out at NAMM!

 

[HaphAsSard]

No official review (yet), but I've been gigging my HG310's for a while now, and there is no specific drawback which I can identify with the rear-facing woofer. Maybe it would be a bit louder if the box were larger and that driver was on the front baffle, but that defeats the compact design. If anything, the rear-facing woofer is an asset that most other cabs cannot match.

I agree that the real magic of the HG is the tweeter and crossover, and the way they blend in with the response from the drivers. I've talked with Jim about the HG410, but I have not heard one in person yet. Looking forward to checking it out at NAMM!

The rear driver naturally still contributes to the low end response of the box, because lows are omnidirectional until the size of the panel the driver (and/or the port) fires from is too large for the waves to get around the box; speaking of which, the compact size of the HG cabinets means the omnidirectionality threshold should be a little higher up in the response.

I'm wondering if Jim's crossover has dedicated circuitry for the rear driver's midrange response - maybe smoothing out some slice thereof (low-mids?) so that the waves reflected by the wall back to the front (ha!) cause the expected scattered cancellations typical of open-back guitar cabinets (in so giving the player, band and small/mid-size audience that 3d character mentioned in the blurb) yet don't randomly leave detectable "holes".

 

[gkbass13]

The HG line is giving me my first amp gas since buying my CN 3x12 stack 4+ years ago.

How does a stack of HG 3x10’s compress to an NV 6x10 as far as punch and chewy low mids are concerned? True bottom end(low B)?

 

[Munjibunga]

What does “ameliorate” mean?

It's the opposite of "exasturbate."

 

[Munjibunga]

Four days 'til NAMM. We'll know soon enough.

 

[Plastalmonus]

Four days 'til NAMM. We'll know soon enough.

A few people I know are going. I reckon I am going to nerd out all weekend and just follow all their Facebook and Instagram feeds.

 

[Munjibunga]

A few people I know are going. I reckon I am going to nerd out all weekend and just follow all their Facebook and Instagram feeds.

I'll be there Thursday - I'll see if I can get something up that afternoon unless somebody beats me to it and I agree with them.

 

[rodl2005]

Aside from being selfish and wanting my speakers pointed at *my* back (who cares about the drummer anyway? He can ask for more bass in his monitor mix ), your statement of it sounding bigger is what I would expect because the cab is purposefully firing in multi-directions. For me, I can only conceive of this being a negative result as I’ve played too many rooms where it was difficult enough to get the bass from reverberating. This configuration most certainly will add to that pain.

I reckon... don't knock em till you try em... type scenario here. Jim's designs are pretty much always spot on......

 

[Fuzzbass]

The HG line is giving me my first amp gas since buying my CN 3x12 stack 4+ years ago.

How does a stack of HG 3x10’s compress to an NV 6x10 as far as punch and chewy low mids are concerned? True bottom end(low B)?

An HG310 stack is not an NV610. They seem to be similar in volume, and have similar low end due to the fact that both are sealed, but the HG cabs have neo speakers. I like the HG neos better than others I've tried, but they still sound neo. The NV610 has that special growl. The HG310s, even with tweeters fully attenuated, sound "cleaner" and have that neo thing going on in the hi mids. The HG lows are still tight, though, so I love 'em a lot more than other neo cabs I've tried, even the Berg CN112 and CN210.

Paging @kevk for additional comments.

 

[tombowlus]

The HG line is giving me my first amp gas since buying my CN 3x12 stack 4+ years ago.

How does a stack of HG 3x10’s compress to an NV 6x10 as far as punch and chewy low mids are concerned? True bottom end(low B)?

The NV610 reminds me of the very best Ampeg 810's I have played, and it excels at that visceral punch in the gut. Two HG310's reminds me more of a high end home audio system, but without the subwoofer. Both rigs tend to have plenty of perceived low end when you play them on a gig, but I will say that if you A/B them directly to an NV215 or a pair of NV115's, you can quickly tell that neither the NV610 nor the HG310's have as much low-end content as the 15's.

I used to say that the NV610 punches through the mix, and the NV215 gets under the mix. This still holds true. The HG310's don't really try to overpower the mix; they are the mix. If that makes any sense...

 

[bebass]

I've been using my HG310 cabs for over a year. Tweeter is the best I've ever heard in a bass cab. I love that they are sealed -- it's the main reason why I like them much more than the CN210 and CN112 cabs I'd used previously. More comments below.

I'm spoiled by the NV610 also! As I've said dozens of times, it's the best cab I've ever owned or heard. I use it every chance I get, however it's too big for half of my gigs, and I also leave it at home when there's a tricky load-in. The reason I chose HG310s as my secondary rig is that they are light, modular.... and sealed. They have the sealed punch, but then they also have that neo vibe. They are DEFINITELY NOT an NV cab. I can get the HGs to sound very good, but my ears will never like them as much as the NV610.


Not in my experience. I've used the HG310 in many dodgy situations (I'm a jack of many bar bands), and they actually sound better than the ported cabs I previously used in those same situations. My first thought is it's because they are sealed, but it's probably more complicated than that.

I'm no audio engineer, but the only negatives to the rear placement that I can imagine are as follows: you might lose the benefit of the rear speaker when playing outdoors where there's no reflective surface behind you, or when the rear of the cab is placed against something like a heavy curtain.

I try to keep the cab at least 10" from the wall. The speaker cable pretty much guarantees 4", but I don't know the minimum recommended distance. @bebass , do you know?

My test environment did use a wall about 6" from the cab due to the room in one of the rooms. It still excelled and still did sound bigger and all the testers absolutely loved it. But probably 12" would be better. And I remember one room that was about 14" or so from cab to wall and it really had a huge sound. But I didn't measure anything; all subjective.

 

[SCT1422]

I had an HG-310 before the HG-410.. Both are great cabs and as I stated earlier the HG-410 just sounds like the bigger brother.. It sounded like a tight sealed 410 cab with a fantastic tweeter.. I play in a 8 piece band with horns and a lot of vocals, it fits in the mix perfectly.. I don't want to bury the stage with overbearing lowend, we have enough stuff going on as is.. It fits into the mix perfectly and I can hear it when I'm off the stage in the crowd.. I also have an HD-210 and HD-112 stack that once in a awhile I may bring out to outdoor concert type gigs, but the HG-310 and HG-410 would be fine in those gigs anyways.. They usually handled by professional sound company's and their monitors systems are usually the best out there, so no worries about hearing myself...