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Oh no. I drove a Prius today because I had to replace the awful, malfunctioning plastic coolant valve. I became very agitated and started throwing tools. Working on it sucks enough, but driving it is worse. I could not park the thing and jump out of it fast enough. I hate it, so much. It's like a death trap for people who expect to have control of their machine. The brake pedal is literally an on/off switch, the throttle pedal more of a suggestion box, and the steering linkage must be straight off that old arcade game where three players could race stadium trucks together. Sorry Prius owners, I just can't. And I drive a Nissan Versa (sometimes, when it isn't in the shop).
Interesting. My wife's Prius C is a bit slow, but it's not a whole lot different from the '95 Civic she had before. The controls are a bit lighter, including the brakes, but I have found them to be plenty sensitive.

Working on it? Um, I don't even know where to find the engine. I used to work on cars all the time. Now, I'm really happy to be completely ignorant about how the work. I don't miss the busted knuckles, rust and other crud falling in my eyes, fishing around to deal with something I can't quite reach or see, dropping the one part I can't possibly replace into the one place I can't possibly ever find it. Paying other people to "enjoy" all that is just fine with me.

We all like different things. I can't figure out why other bass players think Thunderbirds neck dive. So there you have it.
 
The Explorer issue was largely due to the Firestone tires being defective, coupled with the tires being very underinflated.

Underinflation was the whole problem. Tires are designed to carry X weight at Y inflation...... and when Y is less than it should be, so will X. You create a crap load of heat in a tire when a sidewall has to flex so much from being underinflated, no $h!t the tire is going to fail.

I worked at a shop that did a bunch of the tire changeovers during that debacle and if you ask me, Ford screwed the pooch on that one, not Firestone.
 
Oh no. I drove a Prius today because I had to replace the awful, malfunctioning plastic coolant valve. I became very agitated and started throwing tools. Working on it sucks enough, but driving it is worse. I could not park the thing and jump out of it fast enough. I hate it, so much. It's like a death trap for people who expect to have control of their machine. The brake pedal is literally an on/off switch, the throttle pedal more of a suggestion box, and the steering linkage must be straight off that old arcade game where three players could race stadium trucks together. Sorry Prius owners, I just can't. And I drive a Nissan Versa (sometimes, when it isn't in the shop).


I once replaced a water pump on a Prius and it took me longer to bleed all the air from the cooling system than it did to R&R the pump itself.
 
Interesting. My wife's Prius C is a bit slow, but it's not a whole lot different from the '95 Civic she had before. The controls are a bit lighter, including the brakes, but I have found them to be plenty sensitive.

Working on it? Um, I don't even know where to find the engine. I used to work on cars all the time. Now, I'm really happy to be completely ignorant about how the work. I don't miss the busted knuckles, rust and other crud falling in my eyes, fishing around to deal with something I can't quite reach or see, dropping the one part I can't possibly replace into the one place I can't possibly ever find it. Paying other people to "enjoy" all that is just fine with me.

We all like different things. I can't figure out why other bass players think Thunderbirds neck dive. So there you have it.

That must have been one really worn out '95 Civic! :roflmao:

I think hybrid powertrains and getting 50 MPG are great things. The eCVT is even a brilliant design. But the overall execution in the Prius just makes me feel cold and prickly. The same goes for most hybrids on the market. Zzz ... I really wanted to like the Honda CR-Z, but I guess they should have called it CR-Y.

I once replaced a water pump on a Prius and it took me longer to bleed all the air from the cooling system than it did to R&R the pump itself.

Indeed. I had to jack the front of the car about three feet up and run it in maintenance mode for a couple of warm-up cycles to get all of the air out.
 
That must have been one really worn out '95 Civic! :roflmao:
It had 228K miles on it and had been well maintained. But yeah, it was indeed getting pretty tired. Even so, it was an automatic, and I don't think Honda had automatics quite figured out when it got built. I had a '92 for a number of years, and it was a much more entertaining car. It was a manual. Given the choice, I would take the manual Civic, but the little Prius over an automatic Civic. My wife doesn't know the difference and doesn't care. She won't drive anything except an automatic anyway. A Prius is perfect for her, and I sure don't mind it. Cars are just tools for us.

Bikes are for fun. I'll still work on those. Cars are deadly dull anymore.
 
As you might already know, Opel GT's are one of my favorite vintage sports cars. I think they sold more yellow ones compared to any other color. Anyway...carry on.


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That there is not what I have. But it is about the same yellow. And GM.
 
I'm still having trouble grasping why you believe the current generation of Explorer, or anything similar to it, is "unstable". I don't even know what that means. Is a Crown Vic unstable as a result of its size? Is an Outback unstable? How about Mini Cooper or Fiat 500 with AWD?

To me "unstable" means difficult for an average driver to control and/or it's inherently dangerous to drive.
It's not the size. It's the hight to width to length ratio. A stretch limo is VERY stable. It is long and low. Put good shocks on it and if you had the power and tires you could go 250 mph comfortably. A new Mustang would be squirrelly by comparison. It's the wheelbase.

But tall vehicles with standard wheelbases can be dangerous. The electronic suspension control can be a huge help, no doubt, but that is available on "normal height" cars as well, making them safer. I watch a LOT of crash compilation videos and watch the scenarios with care that result in spinouts, rollovers, etc. I've also seen three Suv's roll over right in front of me. One on I-405 between Bellevue and Renton, one on 31W near Fort Knox and one on 245 by Bardstown. Two of them would not have been rollover accidents in a normal car. They would have been spinouts.

Checkout the youtube search link I posted earlier regarding SUV rollovers. They are better than they were, thanks to technology. But technology has its limits.
 
As you might already know, Opel GT's are one of my favorite vintage sports cars. I think they sold more yellow ones compared to any other color. Anyway...carry on.


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No, I did not know that. :)

My rear end went out on mine and I got a rear end off an Opel Kadet. It came with the rear anti sway bar. I was able to remove the nylon plugs in the frame on my car and bolt it on. (the GT didn't come with an anti-sway bar in the US.)

I put 7" Libre's on it. I sold it for a down payment on a house. :(

Got any pics of yours?
 
If you are hearkening all the way back to the Firestone tire debacle, that is old news indeed - and Car & Driver did quite the bit of research on this where they managed to recreate blowouts at speed and guess what, no Explorers rolled over. In fact, the car was quite controllable in all conditions... including braking to a safe and non-dramatic stop with no hands on the steering wheel.

Film at 11... oh wait, that was a couple decades ago.
Actually I was not talking about the firestone nor the samurai issue. Those were just MSM fake news stories - before we knew to call them that.

My issue with Suv's actually starts with the fact that when they started becoming popular they were a cash cow for automakers because they had the same safety standards as pickup trucks (lousy) but were being used as family cars. Automakers could save a TON of manufacturing costs and make huge profits.

That said, pickups and suv's are both safer than they were. But having a lot of metal does not necessarily mean you are safer. e.g.:
 
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Nothing for nothing man, but I seen many SUV's flipped over on the Merritt Parkway and I still say they are safe. Why? Because these SUV's are the same A-HOLES that were flying passed me, and then later I see them down the road in a blizzard upside down. So the point is, no matter what you drive, if you do not drive responsibility, it's you not the car.

Type of car and equipment helps, I can't argue that. But it's majority of the driver. Case and point: when I was a teenager I had to have a Camaro and ended up with a the biggest POS 84 Camaro you could imagine. Well I couldn't afford the car nor anything else so I drove it. Racing tires, road like crap, leaked from the t-tops, ,and so on. However, living in CT we get snow, and sometimes it's a lot of snow and CT is not known for their plowing. While it was difficult I was able to get around town in a Camaro, I did it. Also, I didn't always have bags of sand in the back and I NEVER owned snow tires yet I still did it for I drove the car knowing what it can do.

The problem is too many of these SUV drivers think they are invincible, and drive as such. Many are reminded they are not and many are not reminded of this simple fact. My favorite is when there is ice and people go: oh I have 4-wheel drive. Unless you got spike tires, control is limited on ice.
 
@Robroy

Nothing for nothing man, but I seen many SUV's flipped over on the Merritt Parkway and I still say they are safe.
The word "safe", for me, has no meaning. It needs a qualifier. "Safe" is a relative term. Is a Volvo "safe" compared to a motorcycle? Yes. Is riding a motorcycle at 70 MPH without a helmet safe? how about with a helmet? Is driving a Volvo on the freeway at 70 mph with your seatbelt on "safe"? How about without a seatbelt?

Driving a volvo without your seat belt on is safeR than riding a motorcycle WITH a helmet, yet some will argue the latter is safe and the former is not.

So, SUV's are safer than Smart cars in a head on collision. Probably. Did you read the article I posted about where SUV's are safer where they can actually add risk?

BTW, I agree that the driver is usually what caused the crash. My main argument is that the rollover accident you saw would probably have been a spinout had it been a normal car.

when I lived in Seattle, about 20 years ago, I noticed that the traffic reports that used to always say, "There is an accident on such and such road" were almost always saying, "There is a rollover accident on such and such road." I wondered why there were suddenly all these rollover accidents. I did some research (yes, I had search engines to use back then. AltaVista and Excite were two). That is when I saw the statistical SUV connection.

And then I watched one roll right in front of me on a flat freeway. A car would not have even been at risk of rolling. It was an eye opener. Now you can watch them ad-nausium on youtube. It's pretty obvious what is going on.

But yeah, the driver caused it.
 
The problem is too many of these SUV drivers think they are invincible, and drive as such. Many are reminded they are not and many are not reminded of this simple fact. My favorite is when there is ice and people go: oh I have 4-wheel drive. Unless you got spike tires, control is limited on ice.
On that we DEFINITELY agree!

Old story: My high school drafting teacher had a friend with a 4x4 he liked to take out in the woods as well as go mudding. He was so excited to get a wench for it because now he'd never, ever have to worry about getting stuck. So he went out into a really challenging mud hole and got it stuck really good.

Unfortunately, there was nothing nearby to connect the wench to. He had to call a tow vehicle out. :)
 
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Not exactly related to this topic but think you will get a kick out of it. So again me and my 2 sisters are from CT and to the point city people. One relocated to Cali, and the other stayed several months with her. I went to visit them for one summer when I was 16. In a few weeks time my oldest sister bought this ancient Toyota Celica for us to take a road trip in US1 from Chico Cali up to Portland (mostly the southern part) and then down Cali all the way to San Diego and turn around and back up. So to say we saw things would be an understatement.

Well one day we end up in this very small town that was something out of the Twilight Zone. Every store and restaurant we were in had all these Wizard of Oz figurines, pictures, and so on. Plus every diner and place we went into the place looked at us like we were aliens.

Well it was around night time and my sister backs up the car and the next thing we know is the front of the car is facing the sky. She backed into a BIG DITCH! Me and the other sister climb out of the car and the ditch, and she TRIES to drive out of the ditch.

Well comes over a couple of country boys and pulls out the car using a truck or a tow truck (don't recall which) and then later says "DAMN CITY FOLK!"
 
@Robroy

Not exactly related to this topic but think you will get a kick out of it. So again me and my 2 sisters are from CT and to the point city people. One relocated to Cali, and the other stayed several months with her. I went to visit them for one summer when I was 16. In a few weeks time my oldest sister bought this ancient Toyota Celica for us to take a road trip in US1 from Chico Cali up to Portland (mostly the southern part) and then down Cali all the way to San Diego and turn around and back up. So to say we saw things would be an understatement.

Well one day we end up in this very small town that was something out of the Twilight Zone. Every store and restaurant we were in had all these Wizard of Oz figurines, pictures, and so on. Plus every diner and place we went into the place looked at us like we were aliens.

Well it was around night time and my sister backs up the car and the next thing we know is the front of the car is facing the sky. She backed into a BIG DITCH! Me and the other sister climb out of the car and the ditch, and she TRIES to drive out of the ditch.

Well comes over a couple of country boys and pulls out the car using a truck or a tow truck (don't recall which) and then later says "DAMN CITY FOLK!"

Heh! That last part sounds like it happened in Kentucky. :)

Do you know the name of the town?

BTW, about 30 years ago I was driving my family back to Seattle from Disneyland on I-5 and we pulled off the freeway near Yreka to walk around the car a couple of times to wake up it was 3 a.m. and there were no lights anywhere.

We saw a huge UFO. Dead serious. Lasted about 5 minutes.

BTW, 101 and 1 have some amazing scenery. All the way to northwest Oregon. That trip has to be one of the highlights of your teens.
 
Do you know the name of the town?

I didn't know where I was most of time. San Fran, Hollywood/LA, San Diego, and Santa Cruz was obvious. The other places who the hell knows.

My sisters made me dress as nice as I could (for we didn't bring much clothes for the trip) and walk the streets of Beverly Hills. It was just like going down Greenwich Ave in Greenwich CT.
 
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Let's take a step back and look at SUVs from a realistic vantage point.

SUV's, just like pick up trucks, are inherently more likely to tip over than sedans, coupes, station wagons and compacts because SUV's, like trucks, have a higher center of mass. It's really that simple.

Complaining about this unavoidable difference and blaming the manufacturers for making unsafe vehicles is ridiculous. SUV's and pickup trucks exist for a reason - because many drivers want them and many drivers need them. Millions of people can't get their daily business accomplished with a one wheel drive commuter car and that means driving a vehicle that sits a foot or more higher and (due simply to the laws of physics) is statistically more likely to over.

But this doesn't mean these vehicles are unsafe. It must be understood that SUV's and trucks are perfectly stable under normal driving conditions and it's very difficult to get one to tip over even if you tried. The fact is, nearly all rollovers occur after a collision has already happened or after the vehicle has left the highway, for whatever reason, and is traveling at highway speed in whatever uneven and nonlevel terrain happens to be by the side of the road.

As has been pointed out, owners of 4wd vehicles tend to drive more aggressively, especially under adverse conditions, and this results in more accidents and necessarily, more rollovers, and this is not the fault of the vehicle or the manufacturer.

There is some justification, however, in criticizing the mentality of some of the millions of drivers who would be properly suited to owning a normal car but instead, drive an SUV or truck just because they like the feel of sitting up higher than other drivers. It makes little sense to buy a more expensive vehicle that has inherently inferior handling and costs more to maintain and keep filled with gas, just so you can ride in traffic 12 inches higher than other drivers.
 
I agree except for the last paragraph. There are several advantages to drive 12 or more inches higher especially when you look in the car next to you.

Let's take a step back and look at SUVs from a realistic vantage point.

SUV's, just like pick up trucks, are inherently more likely to tip over than sedans, coupes, station wagons and compacts because SUV's, like trucks, have a higher center of mass. It's really that simple.

Complaining about this unavoidable difference and blaming the manufacturers for making unsafe vehicles is ridiculous. SUV's and pickup trucks exist for a reason - because many drivers want them and many drivers need them. Millions of people can't get their daily business accomplished with a one wheel drive commuter car and that means driving a vehicle that sits a foot or more higher and (due simply to the laws of physics) is statistically more likely to over.

But this doesn't mean these vehicles are unsafe. It must be understood that SUV's and trucks are perfectly stable under normal driving conditions and it's very difficult to get one to tip over even if you tried. The fact is, nearly all rollovers occur after a collision has already happened or after the vehicle has left the highway, for whatever reason, and is traveling at highway speed in whatever uneven and nonlevel terrain happens to be by the side of the road.

As has been pointed out, owners of 4wd vehicles tend to drive more aggressively, especially under adverse conditions, and this results in more accidents and necessarily, more rollovers, and this is not the fault of the vehicle or the manufacturer.

There is some justification, however, in criticizing the mentality of some of the millions of drivers who would be properly suited to owning a normal car but instead, drive an SUV or truck just because they like the feel of sitting up higher than other drivers. It makes little sense to buy a more expensive vehicle that has inherently inferior handling and costs more to maintain and keep filled with gas, just so you can ride in traffic 12 inches higher than other drivers.
 
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Let's take a step back and look at SUVs from a realistic vantage point.

SUV's, just like pick up trucks, are inherently more likely to tip over than sedans, coupes, station wagons and compacts because SUV's, like trucks, have a higher center of mass. It's really that simple.

Complaining about this unavoidable difference and blaming the manufacturers for making unsafe vehicles is ridiculous. SUV's and pickup trucks exist for a reason - because many drivers want them and many drivers need them. Millions of people can't get their daily business accomplished with a one wheel drive commuter car and that means driving a vehicle that sits a foot or more higher and (due simply to the laws of physics) is statistically more likely to over.

But this doesn't mean these vehicles are unsafe. It must be understood that SUV's and trucks are perfectly stable under normal driving conditions and it's very difficult to get one to tip over even if you tried. The fact is, nearly all rollovers occur after a collision has already happened or after the vehicle has left the highway, for whatever reason, and is traveling at highway speed in whatever uneven and nonlevel terrain happens to be by the side of the road.

As has been pointed out, owners of 4wd vehicles tend to drive more aggressively, especially under adverse conditions, and this results in more accidents and necessarily, more rollovers, and this is not the fault of the vehicle or the manufacturer.

There is some justification, however, in criticizing the mentality of some of the millions of drivers who would be properly suited to owning a normal car but instead, drive an SUV or truck just because they like the feel of sitting up higher than other drivers. It makes little sense to buy a more expensive vehicle that has inherently inferior handling and costs more to maintain and keep filled with gas, just so you can ride in traffic 12 inches higher than other drivers.
You sum up my position almost exactly. Just one minor point of contention, however:

I mentioned that I've seen three SUV's roll over right in front of me. Two of them did so right in the middle of the nice, flat road. They never left it. The third did actually slide in the ditch and then rolled three times. That was also the one that was on icy roads. The other two were on dry pavement.