New Carvin P bass, about time?

[Showdown]

I think it's great Carvin is responding to the market...finally. BUTT, at what cost? NO graphite rods in their necks, anymore. Chinese/Asian parts used for pups, battery boxes, rear cover plates, and undersized truss rods.

Carvin changed their truss rods several years ago. You really should get your facts straight before going off on a rant. And how many battery boxes are made in the US? I would venture to say none. They also make their own pickups in the US. You are misinformed.

I don't get the knee jerk hatred for Carvin that we see from some people here.

 

[G On Bass]

I think control covers with maple boards have a bit more growl ....could just be me though

So are Maple control covers are the best for metal?

 

[fcoda]

Only on the active models

 

[Handyman]

Have you tried adding a screwhole to a shielded cover? I'm thinking of adding a couple of screwholes to the cover of one of my Jazz basses and see if that gets me closer to the Jaco tone.

Jaco only needed zero truss rod covers.

 

[Fresh Eddie]

Have you tried adding a screwhole to a shielded cover? I'm thinking of adding a couple of screwholes to the cover of one of my Jazz basses and see if that gets me closer to the Jaco tone.

I would only do that with an aftermarket cover... USA made control covers I hear are getting hard to come by, so I do not want to mess up the resale value of an original one by modifying it.

 

[fcoda]

Truss rod covers are a whole other story

 

[Funkinthetrunk]

living in Colorado with wide humidity and temperature variations

Ain't that the truth. People don't realize how bad Colorado's climate can be for an bass. Serious humidity and temps changes...in just an hour, if not minutes.

Asian backplates? Seriously? Don't hate, congratulate.

 

[ggvicviper]

Awesome! Built a PB5 in Cherryburst/Maple Fretboard. Looks nice, it's probably really killer, and the price is right.

Too bad I won't be buying this anytime soon :\ too Fender Ped out - I own 5 right now.

 

[ThudThudThud]

Word on the Carvin Forums is that they will also be releasing this new bass in a kit version. FYI.

GAS attack... Save me...

Seriously, this would probably put it in the $500 range (guessing, based on BOLT kits). That would be fun.

On the other hand, the options they have available for the factory builds are incredible. For the price of, say, a Fender Am. Std. you can get more choices of finish, options etc.
As noted above, Fender would charge an arm and a leg for a custom.

I predict that this will be a hot seller.

 

[NWB]

Jaco only needed zero truss rod covers.

True, but he was playing a fretless bass.

For a fretted bass, a high-density polyurethane pentaphenate truss rod cover adds a considerable degree of soul and mojo to the tone. However, this only works with chrome hardware.

 

[ThudThudThud]

I don't believe in tone-covers.

 

[hover]

People have been asking Carvin for a P bass for YEARS, and when they give people what they've been asking for some of you "rank" on them.

Woah woah woah. Hold the phone here, I am not ranking on anyone.

Some of you are being rational, and some are taking the term "clone" as an offense and running around with axes.

My term was not derogatory. I made no question to the quality of Carvin's offerings.
It was an observation. And a damn spot-on one, at the core.
I don't care which way you spin or rationalize it, it's a freaking P bass. Fender made Walnut P basses, and still called them P basses.

I simply stated an indifferent opinion, and I thought that was welcome or at least an option. I was being respectful the entire time..
The way I see it then, if I may be allowed to restate, it's a stylized, multi-optioned p-bass homage. And I guess, with that considered, I am asking...WHY have people been asking Carvin for a P-bass HOMAGE for years? Isn't the longevity of a company like Carvin founded, not only on the merits of made in the USA, and also on their generous list of options and low prices, but ALSO on their innovation? I think, IMO alone, they've taken a bit of a step back in that by offering the SB and P-variant lines REGARDLESS of how good they are, the options, blah blah blah.

Does the world NEED another (stylized / variant / homage) take on the P platform? I don't really care, and am not slighting, I am simply asking. Rational discourse. Hell, I play nothing BUT P & J basses.

Hell, even CallowHill made issue with simply HAVING to make a J-clone. His instruments are not straight J copies either, and HE CALLS THEM J's. Same with his P.

 

[Showdown]

Woah woah woah. Hold the phone here, I am not ranking on anyone.

Some of you are being rational, and some are taking the term "clone" as an offense and running around with axes.

My term was not derogatory. I made no question to the quality of Carvin's offerings.
It was an observation. And a damn spot-on one, at the core.
I don't care which way you spin or rationalize it, it's a freaking P bass. Fender made Walnut P basses, and still called them P basses.

I simply stated an indifferent opinion, and I thought that was welcome or at least an option. I was being respectful the entire time..
The way I see it then, if I may be allowed to restate, it's a stylized, multi-optioned p-bass homage. And I guess, with that considered, I am asking...WHY have people been asking Carvin for a P-bass HOMAGE for years? Isn't the longevity of a company like Carvin founded, not only on the merits of made in the USA, and also on their generous list of options and low prices, but ALSO on their innovation? I think, IMO alone, they've taken a bit of a step back in that by offering the SB and P-variant lines REGARDLESS of how good they are, the options, blah blah blah.

Does the world NEED another (stylized / variant / homage) take on the P platform?

Hell, even CallowHill made issue with simply HAVING to make a J-clone. His instruments are not straight J copies, and HE CALLS THEM CLONES.

Boutique companies like Sadowsky and Lakland make actual P bass clones all the time, and no one criticizes them for it. But when Carvin does it people criticize them. Makes no sense.

Just like with Gibson, Peavey and a few other companies, some people just have a built in irrational hatred for them.

 

[Jarrett]

Does the world NEED another (stylized / variant / homage) take on the P platform at a 1/3 of the price of its peers?

Given that, I'd say yes.

 

[hover]

Boutique companies like Sadowsky and Lakland make actual P bass clones all the time, and no one criticizes them for it. But when Carvin does it people criticize them. Makes no sense.

Who said I criticized? Point it out to me. I'll wait.
For the record, I've had the same exact discussions here about Sadowsky, Alleva-C, and many other P & J-clone builders, not once slagging any of them, or being critical and I'm not slagging Carvin either.

B
Just like with Gibson, Peavey and a few other companies, some people just have a built in irrational hatred for them.

I take exception to you insisting I am one of these people. I may have taken the piss on a Jay Turser once, but come on now.

 

[swspiers]

Given that, I'd say yes.

+1000

I think I'm a pretty big Carvin fan. Amps, cabs, multiple basses, etc.

As such, I would hate to have this only be a fanboi love-fest.

I personally think the world needs another P-bass, or at least this one. Because now there is a P-bass that I can afford, and is probably high quality. I don't have to choose between a Squier and a Lull. Fender is not even on my radar.

But I think that if someone has an ambivalent or negative opinion about it- why not let them express it?

 

[Showdown]

I take exception to you insisting I am one of these people.

Take issue all you want, but learn to read. I not only didn't insist you were one of those people I didn't even say it. I said "some people".

 

[Handyman]

There certainly aren't a whole lot of 5 string P options out there, and even fewer 5 string P/J options. Especially if you don't have $2000+ to spend.

 

[hover]

Take issue all you want, but learn to read. I not only didn't insist you were one of those people I didn't even say it. I said "some people".

I can read just fine, thanks...damn good speller too...but taking into consideration your first reply to my long post, it's not hard to realize why I would think you were referring to me.
Then again I am a raging egomaniac, so there's that...everything is about me.

Enjoy your Carvin P, I am sure it's a stellar playing, killer bargain variant on the theme.

 

[G On Bass]

Does the world NEED another (stylized / variant / homage) take on the P platform? I don't really care, and am not slighting, I am simply asking. Rational discourse. Hell, I play nothing BUT P & J basses.

I don't think it's that people are asking for another P clone, they are asking for they a Carvin with a split P pickup. Actually, I think most people here would have preferred it if Carvin just made the pickup available on their existing lines of basses, and skipped the whole-new-body-style thing.... No one is really running wildly into traffic ranting about the groundbreaking stylings of the bass itself.

Much like french-fries exist solely to give us a civiized way to eat ketchup, so does this new Carvin PB bass exist to give us a way to get a Carvin P pickup.