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New Gallien Kreuger MB 210 & MB 115 PART 2:

I say that GK issues a Swedish Bikini Model with every MB to sit on the amp and hold it still while playing. :hyper:

While I admire the elegance of this solution, I don't think it would work because it would drive up production costs. (Swedish Bikini models take about 20 years to produce, have to be shipped from overseas, and need lots of maintenance).

It's cheaper to just find a pretty girl in the audience and ask her to help out. "Sit right here and don't let the amp move."
 
just got back from recording with my MB210 and i will continue to say nothing but exemplary things about this amp.

we put a mic on the cab AND ran the d/i line. I cranked the boost up to between 2 and 3 o'clock and man was my musicman growling. it was downright diry! i love it!

i love love love love this amp!

this was my first time recording with it and i have to be honest. i expected that the best sound would probably going direct into the board form my bass or using the d/i. i always thought of the speakers in this combo as being "cheap" but that's probably only because i was deceived by their lack of weight.

it just sounded heavenly! it exceeded my expectations (which i thought were reasonable after playing this amp for several months) but this thing is still amazing me on a daily basis.
 
Last night I had the outdoor gig. The MB115 had volume to boot! It may be that this is the first 15 inch speaker that I've ever played, but it has so much power it literally feels like the earth is quaking under my feet. I had the boost around noon as well as the gain with the master at 3. I would call that about 50% of its total volume capability. It seems like the volume increases exponentially as you turn up the gain.
 
Last night I had the outdoor gig. The MB115 had volume to boot! It may be that this is the first 15 inch speaker that I've ever played, but it has so much power it literally feels like the earth is quaking under my feet. I had the boost around noon as well as the gain with the master at 3. I would call that about 50% of its total volume capability. It seems like the volume increases exponentially as you turn up the gain.

I have also been surprised as hell at the output of this little 115 amp. Seems almost impossible.
 
I have also been surprised as hell at the output of this little 115 amp. Seems almost impossible.

I A-B'd it to my backline 210. BL210 is "louder" but not as clear or as bassy. 115 can shake the ground, but the 210 has a louder honk to it while barely rattling the floor.
 
though i definitely wish I'd gotten the MB212 in retrospect, once the MBE cabs come out I'll probably be singing a different tune when I can get a 410 that is under 50 lbs.

tallbasboy, the 410 i've been playing through isn't mine. i only get to play it when i go to the studio (it belongs to the studio)... so all i have is the MB210.

i am really happy with my MB210... really really happy. but it sounds like the MB212 is a lot better from what everybody's saying...
 
I got a question though: Has anyone had any problems with these amps "moving" accross stage? I had a customer return the MB115 because he claimed the amp actually moved accross the stage on him due to vibration. Now he was driving the amp pretty hard, but I just find that hard to believe. Anyone else had this happen?
Yes, it was me with my MB210. It rotated around and was pointing sideways (on a slick marble floor). Real easy fix there...put something under it like that foam toolbox drawer liner stuff they sell at Lowe's, Home Depot, etc....or put rubber feet on the amp.
 
Any recent word from RAG wrt when the initial shipment of MBE's will be arriving... anywhere? I've had a 210MBE on-order now for over 2 months (join the club?) from RMC, and now I see that MF has a pre-order date of 7-30. My MB210 is lonely... Hoping for the cab to show up on my doorstep the first week of July. What are the chances?
 
though i definitely wish I'd gotten the MB212 in retrospect, once the MBE cabs come out I'll probably be singing a different tune when I can get a 410 that is under 50 lbs.

tallbasboy, the 410 i've been playing through isn't mine. i only get to play it when i go to the studio (it belongs to the studio)... so all i have is the MB210.

i am really happy with my MB210... really really happy. but it sounds like the MB212 is a lot better from what everybody's saying...


I would highy recommend putting a 210 under your MB210 instead of a 410. If you use the 410 your 210s may give you problems down the road. I did the 210 combo w/ a 410 extension cab and the 210 sounds like it's farting all the time.

This happens because you are giving the 210 the same amount of power as the 410, so those 2 speakers have to work twice as hard. YMMV.
 
I would highy recommend putting a 210 under your MB210 instead of a 410. If you use the 410 your 210s may give you problems down the road. I did the 210 combo w/ a 410 extension cab and the 210 sounds like it's farting all the time.

This happens because you are giving the 210 the same amount of power as the 410, so those 2 speakers have to work twice as hard. YMMV.

to be honest, right now i'm thinking of adding the 212MBE to the MB210 combo so I'll have a 210 and a 212.

everybody raves about the 212 so this way I'd have both the 210 and 212 and that would probably be perfect.

also though, I hear what you're saying that obviously the 210s will be getting more power to each of them (in terms of watts per speaker), if the speakers are rated to handle 400 wats, how can i really destroy them if I connect a 410 to them and only send 250 watts to them?

I do agree though that the more I've used the 210 + 410 setup, the more I have to agree that it is not the ideal sound.

right now i'm trying to decide between getting a 210, 212 or 115 to add to my MB210
 
How much detail is everyone able to hear in their 115 and 210? I am considering either the 115 or 210. My concerns are that the 115 may be a bit too "old school" and the 210 is a bit too unbalanced sonically (missing detail.) I want to be able to hear the growl of the pickups and mid/high end detail (in that GK "way"), but still get a solid punchy feel w/good lows.

The only time I tried these - in my recollection, they both seemed at bit on the "bassy" side, particularly the 210 (and I wasn't able to dial in much highs.) I will note that I didn't have a lot of time to tinker w/the settings.

I would like to get the 212, but it's just not in my budget right now (the 210 is even a stretch.)

Any feedback is appreciated!
 
How much detail is everyone able to hear in their 115 and 210? I am considering either the 115 or 210. My concerns are that the 115 may be a bit too "old school" and the 210 is a bit too unbalanced sonically (missing detail.) I want to be able to hear the growl of the pickups and mid/high end detail (in that GK "way"), but still get a solid punchy feel w/good lows.

The only time I tried these - in my recollection, they both seemed at bit on the "bassy" side, particularly the 210 (and I wasn't able to dial in much highs.) I will note that I didn't have a lot of time to tinker w/the settings.

I would like to get the 212, but it's just not in my budget right now (the 210 is even a stretch.)

Any feedback is appreciated!

I was in the same situation as you. On a tight budget, I ended up going with the MB210.

As far as the "bassy" sound of the MB210, I can promise you it sort of balances itself out as you play it more and more. I've had no problems dialing in hi-mids. The thing you need to do is just dial back the bass (to as much as 9 o'clock though mine is usually more at like 10 o'clock) and boost up the lo-mid and hi-mid by a lot.

If growl is what you're looking for, this amp has it in spades! The boost knob essentially is a "growl" knob and you can crank it and really get some vicious growl coming out of that amp.

The MB210, as I'm sure you know, give you the option of adding an extension cab to it which is what ultimately made me decide to buy it.

I've never had anything but great things to say about the MB210. I've never heard or tried the MB212 but it certainly seems like that has the best sound out of the three combos from what other people have said. However, being able to take that MB210 and add a 115 or another 210 or 212 to it is definitely worth it.

Now I just need to save some money to get the extension cab.

If you have any specific questions on the MB210, you can send me a message. I was also on a very tight budget and had to do a lot of research and a lot of thinking and contemplating before I pulled the trigger.

So, in answering your question regarding definition to the notes:
I recently just recorded using my MB210. I decided to use a mic on the combo specifically so I could see how it would sound on a recording (you know, instead of going direct into the board or using the d/i) and I gotta tell you, there is a lot of definition to it. I think the key is just dialing back the bass some. yeah, the lowest frequencies those speakers put out aren't the tightest I've heard, but I've found a good mix by dialing back the bass, compensating it with lots of lo-mids and a little hi-mids and leaving the treble flat. The MB210 is awesome! I can't say enough good things about it! It really does have awesome definition with every single note (even if not quite as good as the MB212 from what other have said)
 
right now i'm trying to decide between getting a 210, 212 or 115 to add to my MB210

Ditto.... although I might default to a 210. The 115MBE on musiciansfriend.com is 4 ohms and only 200 watts..... so it doesnt seem like a good fit. Even if you can get an 8 ohm version, the wattage is still only 200. If you hook that up to the MB210, it will send 250 watts to the speaker.

I owned both the 210 and 212, and really the differences were very minimal. So Im between the 210 or a 115 as an extension cabinet. Since my 210 has more than enough bass, and the mbe115 seems to only be 200 watts, Im leaning towards the 210MBE by default.
 
Ditto.... although I might default to a 210. The 115MBE on musiciansfriend.com is 4 ohms and only 200 watts..... so it doesnt seem like a good fit. Even if you can get an 8 ohm version, the wattage is still only 200. If you hook that up to the MB210, it will send 250 watts to the speaker.

I owned both the 210 and 212, and really the differences were very minimal. So Im between the 210 or a 115 as an extension cabinet. Since my 210 has more than enough bass, and the mbe115 seems to only be 200 watts, Im leaning towards the 210MBE by default.

the details on MF are wrong. the 115MBE will be available in a 400 watt/8 ohm version.

similarly, the 212MBE is also available in a 600 watt/8 ohm version.

look at the GK website. they have the correct descriptions there.
 
I bought the 210 last week and already played a night club gig. With volume at 1/3 I had more than enough power and the equalizer let me adjust my sound to the room. I'm playing active pickups. Sound was clean and smooth but I could funk it up. I wanted the 212 but it wasn't available. Now I'm glad because if I need more sound I can add the 115 which was not possible on the 212. 500 watts of power makes for clean sound.... sooo much better than the 100 watts of mush I had in my Fender Rumble.
 
to be honest, right now i'm thinking of adding the 212MBE to the MB210 combo so I'll have a 210 and a 212.

everybody raves about the 212 so this way I'd have both the 210 and 212 and that would probably be perfect.

also though, I hear what you're saying that obviously the 210s will be getting more power to each of them (in terms of watts per speaker), if the speakers are rated to handle 400 wats, how can i really destroy them if I connect a 410 to them and only send 250 watts to them?

I do agree though that the more I've used the 210 + 410 setup, the more I have to agree that it is not the ideal sound.

right now i'm trying to decide between getting a 210, 212 or 115 to add to my MB210

Assume that you have the 210 and the 410:

When you are playing, it will sound like the only sound being produced is from the 210. The 410 will be very quiet (because each speaker is getting half the power of the 210). Furthermore, you are creating a signal that is not balanced.

In essence, you have a 2 channel amp. One channel has the 210 and the other has the 410. You would not be distributing the power equally to the drivers even though the impedance may be the same.

My old rig consisted of a 210 on top of a 410. I was hoping for the ultimate punch machine, but it ended up being extremely flat sounding with no dynamics and no bottom end.

I am not an amp pro, but that's the best explanation I can give.

Are you going to run 2 combos bi-amped or are you talking about adding an extension cab?
...an MBE115 is only $400, which is less than the neo cabs