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New Gallien Kreuger MB 210 & MB 115 PART 2:

#141
GroovinOnFunk said:
the details on MF are wrong. the 115MBE will be available in a 400 watt/8 ohm version.

similarly, the 212MBE is also available in a 600 watt/8 ohm version.

look at the GK website. they have the correct descriptions there.
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On the GK webpage, it says 400 watts, 8 ohms for the 115.

On the GK spec sheet from the GK webpage, it says 200 watts, 8 ohms.

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And then MF says 200 watts, 4 ohms.

If I had to guess without knowing anything, I would guess that the speakers they put in the combos would be the same speakers they put in the extension cabs. So the 210 combo has 2 - 200 watt speakers and the extension would be the same, so an 8 ohm load and 400 watts total.... which is what the GK specs say. Which matches up with the 350 watt at 8 ohms amp in that combo. The 212 combo would have 2-300 watt speakers, for 600 watts total. Which matches up with the 500 watts at 4 ohms the combo is rated for.

The MB115 amp is putting out 200 watts, so I would have guessed for a speaker that is rated at 250. If they really are putting in a speaker which can handle 400 watts at 8 ohms, its probably not the same speaker in the MB115 combo.

:eek:
 
#142
philter25 said:
On the GK webpage, it says 400 watts, 8 ohms for the 115.

On the GK spec sheet from the GK webpage, it says 200 watts, 8 ohms.

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And then MF says 200 watts, 4 ohms.

If I had to guess without knowing anything, I would guess that the speakers they put in the combos would be the same speakers they put in the extension cabs. So the 210 combo has 2 - 200 watt speakers and the extension would be the same, so an 8 ohm load and 400 watts total.... which is what the GK specs say. Which matches up with the 350 watt at 8 ohms amp in that combo. The 212 combo would have 2-300 watt speakers, for 600 watts total. Which matches up with the 500 watts at 4 ohms the combo is rated for.

The MB115 amp is putting out 200 watts, so I would have guessed for a speaker that is rated at 250. If they really are putting in a speaker which can handle 400 watts at 8 ohms, its probably not the same speaker in the MB115 combo.

:eek:
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somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain that RAG (Mr. Gallien to us mere mortals) has chimed in on either this thread or another one saying that the 115MBE will be available in an 8ohm/400 watt capacity to pair up with the MB210 combo.

It's not really a big deal to me since I'm probably going to get the 212MBE when it comes out. I think, however, that a second 210 cab is growing less and less likely. Either I'm going to go for the 115MBE or 212MBE I think... but we'll see.

got plenty of time to contemplate while I wait for those products to become available.
 
#143
sjbeede said:
I bought the 210 last week and already played a night club gig. With volume at 1/3 I had more than enough power and the equalizer let me adjust my sound to the room. I'm playing active pickups. Sound was clean and smooth but I could funk it up. I wanted the 212 but it wasn't available. Now I'm glad because if I need more sound I can add the 115 which was not possible on the 212. 500 watts of power makes for clean sound.... sooo much better than the 100 watts of mush I had in my Fender Rumble.
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I'm considering trading my MB212 for the MB210 but we'll see :rolleyes:
 
#144
JonnyAngle said:
Assume that you have the 210 and the 410:

When you are playing, it will sound like the only sound being produced is from the 210. The 410 will be very quiet (because each speaker is getting half the power of the 210). Furthermore, you are creating a signal that is not balanced.

In essence, you have a 2 channel amp. One channel has the 210 and the other has the 410. You would not be distributing the power equally to the drivers even though the impedance may be the same.

My old rig consisted of a 210 on top of a 410. I was hoping for the ultimate punch machine, but it ended up being extremely flat sounding with no dynamics and no bottom end.

I am not an amp pro, but that's the best explanation I can give.

Are you going to run 2 combos bi-amped or are you talking about adding an extension cab?
...an MBE115 is only $400, which is less than the neo cabs
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So running the MBE210 with the MB210 would be balanced? Just asking...thanks.
 
#149
JonnyAngle said:
Assume that you have the 210 and the 410:

When you are playing, it will sound like the only sound being produced is from the 210. The 410 will be very quiet (because each speaker is getting half the power of the 210). Furthermore, you are creating a signal that is not balanced.
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Wrong. The 410 will be a little bit louder due to more efficiency (more speaker area).
 
#150
Dallas852 said:
Right now I'm running my bass through an Acoustic B200 (15in Speaker), that I'm wanting to trade in to get the MB115. I am a beginner in a band with a guitarist/drummer/myself. We have never played outside of the garage, but are going to start playing for friends next month. For what I'm doing it sounds like the MB115 would be perfect, as I never run anything through the PA because 1) not too sure how to separate the channels to not get my bass to come out of the non-sub speakers 2) not sure how to go about connecting my amp through our 4 channel mixer we have.

Think the MB115 will be perfect?
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Hey man, sorry for the delay here! Right off hand I'd say that MB115 should do great for you, although there's always variables that could affect things, like: What style of music? And what's your guitar player playing through? If he's got some kind of Marshall Stack of Death, then you'd need more amp to keep up.

But if ya'll are still in the garage, it should do fine for you. I've never been a fan of practicing at 'stadium gig noise levels' anyway--in my opinion, you're there to rehearse the parts/vocals, and be able to hear everyone without going deaf. Plus, I've only played a handful of gigs where there wasn't some sort of PA, and the one's without PA have been small enough that 200watts works fine for my situation. I hope that helps....

-mark
 
#151
Just got my MB115 today from music123. My excitement quickly turned to disappointment, as tomorrow I will be sending it back. There's a large dent in the back of the amp, right near the EQ controls. I can't believe how poorly this was packaged. It's in a GK box, so I'm assuming music123 just shipped them back out in the same box they received them from GK in. Inside the box there is at least an inch gap in the "protective" cardboard, all the way around at the bottom, which allows the amp to move around the inside. On the top, there is just a piece of cardboard with some filler to prevent the top from shifting. Absolutely no foam, air bags, etc., and it's not even tight top to bottom. I don't know if mine just slipped through without all it's packing or not, but if this is the way GK is sending them out I'll be surprised if they don't get a lot more returns.

Now I have to wait at least another 2 weeks, as music123 is out of stock again.
 
#153
Update on my GK MB210,

Still very pleased with it but my guitarist has just bought a BlackStar valve amp which is much louder than his previous amp so I now really need the MBE extension Cab, I am running nearly flat out now, its not that he plays at a really high volume but more that he now has 2x12" speakers instead of his previous single speaker .
I think previous comments that a 2x10" will only go so far are absolutely correct .
So come GK, lets have those cabs because I dont want to buy another make, I like the idea of matching equipment .

PS
I was given a Fender Precision last night, its a mexican model in black, solid alder body with upgraded pickups, rosewood board etc, very nice but sooo much heavier and bigger than my Gibson SG, I will need to get used to it ;):)
 
#154
GRAHAM SG1 said:
Update on my GK MB210,

Still very pleased with it but my guitarist has just bought a BlackStar valve amp which is much louder than his previous amp so I now really need the MBE extension Cab, I am running nearly flat out now, its not that he plays at a really high volume but more that he now has 2x12" speakers instead of his previous single speaker .
I think previous comments that a 2x10" will only go so far are absolutely correct .
So come GK, lets have those cabs because I dont want to buy another make, I like the idea of matching equipment .

PS
I was given a Fender Precision last night, its a mexican model in black, solid alder body with upgraded pickups, rosewood board etc, very nice but sooo much heavier and bigger than my Gibson SG, I will need to get used to it ;):)
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OR... have your guitard player turn down. if you're rehearsing at a level that the MB210 can't keep up with your guitarist's rig, he's playing way too loud.

I know that's a generalization, and I agree that if you were to play a big gig (outdoors or in a huge venue) then you would want the extension cab. But seriously, it really sounds to me like your guitarist is just playing too loud now that he has his new amp (something I have experienced many a time when a guitarist gets a new amp. immediately all they want to see is how loud it can go... drives me crazy)
 
#155
GroovinOnFunk said:
OR... have your guitard player turn down. if you're rehearsing at a level that the MB210 can't keep up with your guitarist's rig, he's playing way too loud.
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You are right, of course. And mature, and sober. That said ... :)

Sometimes, you must crush them. Just saying ... :hiding: First crush, then, when you suggest you all turn down, they behave better. IMO.

*Russian accent* :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: ~~~~~~~ :hyper: ~~~~~ C R U S H ~ :mad: ~ T H E M !!!!!!!1!!!! :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :hyper: :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: * * * ~~~~

IMO!

--Bomb :bassist:
 
#156
Adam Bomb said:
You are right, of course. And mature, and sober. That said ... :)

Sometimes, you must crush them. Just saying ... :hiding: First crush, then, when you suggest you all turn down, they behave better. IMO.

*Russian accent* :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: ~~~~~~~ :hyper: ~~~~~ C R U S H ~ :mad: ~ T H E M !!!!!!!1!!!! :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :hyper: :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: * * * ~~~~

IMO!

--Bomb :bassist:
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hahaha, Adam, I gotta admit, you may be the first person to ever call me "mature and sober"

very funny.

and I support your comments completely. Sometimes it is necessary to CRUSH the competition. but I cry a little bit deep down inside each time I have to resort to being a bully in order to get my band to turn the volume down.

rehearsals gotta be about precision and getting all the individual parts right. to accomplish this, it is essential that everybody be able to hear one another (without the need for earplugs) but that's just my opinion.
 
#158
GroovinOnFunk said:
rehearsals gotta be about precision and getting all the individual parts right. to accomplish this, it is essential that everybody be able to hear one another (without the need for earplugs) but that's just my opinion.
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I'm fairly certain a lot of people are with you on that...I couldn't agree more!! Not that i'm completely innocent of RPV (Ridiculous Practice Volume). But that was in the younger college band days when we were just figuring everything out, and gigs were fewer so practice was our main time to cut loose and crank.

And once again i agree with The Bomb--sometimes it IS fun to crush them, if only to make a point....:bassist:

-mark
 
#159
Good comments, he was not that LOUD, he is not a loud player, more blues than rock, sometimes when we really enjoy ourselves the volume does creep up :D
His Blackstar is a beast, its frustrating when you want to buy something (MBE cab) and cant get it for weeks :crying:
 

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