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new gibson and epiphone basses coming out

#101
What a crack up! no *offense* to the Fenders players posting in the Gibson thread but nothing they've ever made or ever will - do it for me. At my house the fenders are attached to my car.
That myth of T 'Bird neck dive is SO old..............spare us all your un-informed comments. As for stock bridges Fender's isn't any better, in fact I know they rattle quite nicely.
 
#103
TBird1958 said:
What a crack up! no *offense* to the Fenders players posting in the Gibson thread but nothing they've ever made or ever will - do it for me. At my house the fenders are attached to my car.
That myth of T 'Bird neck dive is SO old..............spare us all your un-informed comments. As for stock bridges Fender's isn't any better, in fact I know they rattle quite nicely.
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The rattling is from overextended saddle springs, and its not the most common thing in the world. And if you bothered to check, Fender redesigned their bridge to help eliminate that problem, as well as introducing a host of other improvments.

Not to mention that there are heaps of aftermarket Fender bridges that may or may not float your boat. YMMV of course.:)
 
#104
TBird1958 said:
What a crack up! no *offense* to the Fenders players posting in the Gibson thread but nothing they've ever made or ever will - do it for me. At my house the fenders are attached to my car.
That myth of T 'Bird neck dive is SO old..............spare us all your un-informed comments. As for stock bridges Fender's isn't any better, in fact I know they rattle quite nicely.
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true. what is their badass III doing better than any bridge gibson has?? i heard that thing was just as terrible. im not really a bridge person as ive pointed out in the last couple posts. but seriously. why does it matter so much to them? idk.

the neck dive thing doesnt even bother me. the only person its going to bother is someone that does more standing around than playing. think about it.
 
#105
Simple really, all my basses are *players* as such they get a pro set up from Mike Lull, he knows Thunderbirds 'cause he's owned a few. Once that's done staying in tune isnt really a question. I play in a working band so I consider this just part of owning any bass that I'm going to take out and play.
As for aftermarket Hipshot makes a drop in replacement if you want one.
 
#106
gibsonbassist45 said:
good question. i have no idea. there was only like 400 made. i think it was because they werent very popular.i dont think they had very good sales ratings.and on top of that most people say that they had extremly bad quality!!! either way i want one cause they look sick. and because theyre rare.but playing..idk so much
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i found a used epi flying v bass at a local music store yesterday, and it played quite nice, if you are standing at least.

what i want gibson to bring back is the explorer bass, just my 2 cents
 
#107
gibsonbassist45 said:
true. what is their badass III doing better than any bridge gibson has?? i heard that thing was just as terrible. im not really a bridge person as ive pointed out in the last couple posts. but seriously. why does it matter so much to them? idk.
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Badass Bridges aren't made by Fender. The Badass II is the drop in replacement while the Badass III allows through body stringing. Badass bridges off better intonation and stay in tune better than the 3 point bridge (so does the stock Fender bridge) However for many years Badass bridges have been popular since they're easier to adjust than the Fender bridges and more sustain and punch.

But now Fender has the HMV bridge which is a winner in my book.

the neck dive thing doesnt even bother me. the only person its going to bother is someone that does more standing around than playing. think about it.
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This isn't one of the smarter posts I've read on TB. I'd just like to point out that basses that neck dive badly affect playability since you're holding the bass up with your hand and that makes it harder to switch positions quickly and over long periods of time. Probably why the majority of TBird players I've seen are 8th note rock bassists, not that there is anything wrong with that of course.

Not to mention the fact that since you're holding up this 9-10 pound bass for a 2 hour set, you're going to develop problems with your arm later down the line including tendonitis, carpal tunnel, etc. :rolleyes:
 
#108
TBird1958 said:
If an RD Standard is your thing you can buy this today from ESP Japan.....

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Can you even get these in the States?
 
#110
So once again...........
Every post '88 (that's 20years now!) Thunderbird has very small Grover tuning machines..........This was done because 76-79 production had a much larger headstock and machines.
If (and that's a big if!) you are fortunate enough to own a 70's one the fix for the heavy headstock is to relocate the strap pin to the heel of the neck.
So this actually begs the question: Who posting owns a Gibson Bass? Inquiring minds want to know so we can value your posts appropriately.

The ESP RD is posted new on Ebay, they'll ship to the US.
 
#112
TBird1958 said:
So once again...........
Every post '88 (that's 20years now!) Thunderbird has very small Grover tuning machines..........This was done because 76-79 production had a much larger headstock and machines.
If (and that's a big if!) you are fortunate enough to own a 70's one the fix for the heavy headstock is to relocate the strap pin to the heel of the neck.
So this actually begs the question: Who posting owns a Gibson Bass? Inquiring minds want to know so we can value your posts appropriately.
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I've owned 5 so far, currently none.

They include:

64 Thunderbird
69 Thunderbird
Mid 70s Gibson Grabber
EB2
SG RI

I think I'm qualified.:smug:
 
#113
This is funny...
TBird1958 said:
What a crack up! no *offense* to the Fenders players posting in the Gibson thread but nothing they've ever made or ever will - do it for me.
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...because it's followed by this:
..............spare us all your un-informed comments.
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Neither of the basses I use now are Fenders, but have you played THAT many Fenders that you can say that with such conviction? Nothing they've EVER made or EVER WILL? Huh.

Mike
 
#114
And that begs the question considering the value and rarity of 60's 'Birds - why sell?

I've owed 3 Fenders a '73 Precision, a '78 Jazz and more recently and Aerodyne Jazz, I bought them and kept them all at at least a year each. I wanted them to at least be a good second bass to my '73 Rick that served as my primary player at the time. They just didn't do it for me soundwise, anymore, I find them so vanilla I wouldn't play one for that reason alone - but I don't care for their looks much anymore either so I'm sure I won't buying anything they produce, look at the bright side tho, it'll just mean there's much more you to buy.
 
#115
TBird1958 said:
So this actually begs the question: Who posting owns a Gibson Bass? Inquiring minds want to know so we can value your posts appropriately.
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First, I do not own a Gibson bass. None of the ones I've played to date have "done it" for me. The one Epiphone I owned was a turd and should have died a slow death with a mixture of lighter fluid and urine. Curiously, I still give them a try when I do see one. I'm open-minded like that. Second, since this thread is about not-yet-released basses by Gibson and Epiphone, I'm not sure how prior ownership is a prerequisite.

Mike
 
#117
TBird1958 said:
Pics?
And that begs the question considering the value and rarity of 60's 'Birds - why sell?
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I'll see if I can get some polaroids scanned and emailed to me by my sister. I'm in a SF native and going to NYC for college and the music scene and didn't think to bring old photo albums with me.:p

And who said I sold them? You know what they say when you assume right?;)

The story behind my T-Birds is the same with some of my other pricier gear (look at my profile) When I picked up music I was 12 and bought a bass with my own money (Fender P-Bass.) My dad was a professional musician for many years, and so were a bunch of my other family members. Unfortunately I'm the only one from my generation to take on a musical bent, so I got lots of hand me downs.

My first amp was an Acoustic combo that weighed a ton and my mom tossed at the window. My uncle Al, a bass player, gave me his old B15 amp as well as a Ric 4001 modified to be fretless, have a P pickup, and have an original BadAss bridge. The T-Birds were from my uncle Kenny and my dad. The older one was my dad's and was hardly ever played, while the 69 was my uncles. The 64 broke within a year of gigging with it with a snapped head stock. No I didn't drop it. He took it back after that.

When I moved to NYC I gave the 69 back to my uncle, and tried to give back most of the stuff the rest of my family gave me, but some didn't accept it back and told me to keep it.

Bought the EB2 used for $1600 at Subway Guitars about 3 years ago. Sold it as part of my moving fund and I don't regret it much.

I miss my Grabber which I left in a park or something. I found the bass so I guess its a fitting end.

Bought the SG RI at GC since I'm a big Jack Bruce fan. It... didn't sound well. Ever. In any setting. With a half dozen string and amp changes. Returned it to GC before the return period ended.
 
#118
Shame about the 'Birds. Pics would be cool, no worries tho. And yes its good to know, even tho I 've owned Fenders my most recent experience is now about 4 years ago - thus I don't post in Fender threads. The older ones I had are long gone, so much that they rarely cross my mind.
 
#119
GeneralElectric said:
3 Point bridge is terrible and shouldn't work on a bass and barely works on guitars. Its acceptable if the year is 1940 but other than that... Its part of the Gibson trend of just making bass versions of their guitars.

That said my 2 favorite Gibsons ever were the Grabber and the Ripper.:bassist:
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Hipshot makes a good replacement now. That said, for all its faults I've never had a problem with the three point bridge. It isn't as adjustable as other bridges, but it works just fine. Some people have trouble with them pulling up, but IMO that is from adjusting them wrong. I've been using them for 30 years and never had that happen. I have 4 basses right now with one.

I have considered the Hipshot replacement, but I kind of feel like if it is working why spend the money? The action and intonation on all of my basses with 3 point bridges is good, so what would be the point?
 

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