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New Mike Adler TWELVE STRING BASS????
- Thread starter Jay Terrien
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- Apr 17, 2003
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Maybe you were not interested in reading the whole thread. I can understand that because it is rather long. But the people that shared your opinion said what they have to say then. But just to inform you, not everyone shares your opinion. Some people think that it is cool. Especially if you use different styles like tapping. But you kinda have to think outside the box to even appreciate this bass. I guess your paradigm is different and that's cool. different strokes for different folks.
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Mr. Rager (how appropriate), I suggest you read the last post here: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138979 . It could prevent your taking a vacation.themajorrager said:
And as already mentioned, if you are genuinely interested in the topic of ERBs, try reading the rest of this thread, for the Qs by people with similar views to yours, and the As by the people who play them.
And if you are genuinely interested in the reasons for fanned frets, do a search. You'll find that the same question is asked fairly often by polite people, and intelligently and politely answered. Fanned frets offer distinct advantages.
For the record, I don't play an ERB, I haven't heard a ton of music on them that I love, and I don't necessarily think that "extended range bass" is the absolute best name for the things. BUT, I have great respect for the people who play them, and wish them the best.
" I don't necessarily think that "extended range bass" is the absolute best name for the things. "
I agree. This instrument has 7.5 Octaves of the 8 octaves found on the exteneded range grand piano.Most of the strings are bass strings,but it extends lower than a bass,and higher than a guitar.
Grand Guitar,92 note guitar,All Range Guitar-I don't know, but when I mention Adler 12-string, most players know it's this bass.As far as music for these basses,check out the way the 7 and 11-string were used on "Tap Dance On A Cloud"(see CD Baby address on the bottom of my profile).
The Adler 12-string is ideal for a bass guitarist ,who also happens to be a musician, to be able to apply his bass playing skills to an instrument that has the same range as a piano.So,if he wants to try playing "Moonlight Sonata,Op.27,No2" , he can do so without having to rearrange the piece to fit on 7 or 6 strings.It will sound where it does on a piano.
Once again for those who haven't read this thread, this particular bass was my idea,realized by Mike Adler. Criticizing it's existance is pointless,as it is exactly what I ordered.It plays so easily,it practically plays itself.It is a prototype,so I post the updates as they happen here.
I agree. This instrument has 7.5 Octaves of the 8 octaves found on the exteneded range grand piano.Most of the strings are bass strings,but it extends lower than a bass,and higher than a guitar.
Grand Guitar,92 note guitar,All Range Guitar-I don't know, but when I mention Adler 12-string, most players know it's this bass.As far as music for these basses,check out the way the 7 and 11-string were used on "Tap Dance On A Cloud"(see CD Baby address on the bottom of my profile).
The Adler 12-string is ideal for a bass guitarist ,who also happens to be a musician, to be able to apply his bass playing skills to an instrument that has the same range as a piano.So,if he wants to try playing "Moonlight Sonata,Op.27,No2" , he can do so without having to rearrange the piece to fit on 7 or 6 strings.It will sound where it does on a piano.
Once again for those who haven't read this thread, this particular bass was my idea,realized by Mike Adler. Criticizing it's existance is pointless,as it is exactly what I ordered.It plays so easily,it practically plays itself.It is a prototype,so I post the updates as they happen here.
Garry, I would just like to express my opinion that, altough your ideas seem great, all this yabba yabba talking is enough. Images or sound speak better to people than words if you get my point. I'm pretty sure that in 444 posts, ppl have been enlightened to the fact that a lot is possible with this instrument, now why don't you record some sorth of impro on mpeg to show the ppl? 
- Apr 17, 2003
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Garry Goodman said:
Gary it seems strange that you said that when you later go on to say that this instrument of yours isnt a bass - maybe this isnt the right website for you
(yes that is a joke - sorta) (maybe its the wrong site for this instrument)jusplayinmybass said:
right, now to rebuild some burnt bridges
i did read all of the previous posts before i posted. it seemed to me that some of the people who posted who were less than keen on the instrument struggled to get their point across because they were too afraid of treading on other peoples toes.
while there is always a place for diplomacy, this is a "talk" forum and as such people should be able to openly express their views. maybe i went too far and kind of forgot about the diplomacy part but i was getting kinda frustrated. i apologise.
that said it does seem that since my post a couple of people have had no trouble saying what they really think about this instrument:
marcusalan said:
weeding said:
im interested that nobody said anything about the double neck idea - especially Gary. although if you dont have any problem playing the instrument in question i guess the idea is redundant?
now i hope that that response was "intelligent" and "polite" enough for some people lol!!!pilotjones said:
i agree with oversoul that a small sample of the capabilities of this instrument should be provided so we know what we are dealing with here.
peace.
oversoul said:Garry, I would just like to express my opinion that, altough your ideas seem great, all this yabba yabba talking is enough. Images or sound speak better to people than words if you get my point. I'm pretty sure that in 444 posts, ppl have been enlightened to the fact that a lot is possible with this instrument, now why don't you record some sorth of impro on jpeg to show the ppl?
Samples will be available soon. Just got the new string,which was custom made from wire that didn't exist before. It seems to work fine,so samples are on the way.
jusplayinmybass said:
Thanks for mentioning that!
There was a lot of" Yabba Yabba"from me about Jauqo's C# string and the Adler 11-string back in January 2004.I did realize learning to play on a C# string was going to take time,and after 9 months of playing the 11,we recorded the Cd. I used the 11-string on one cut,"Bubble Work". I play 4-5 octave arpeggios as part of the bass line because it showed the instrument's versatility. Also the tune ends with the low , open C# string.
It took a little time to get my 11-string chops up to speed.The end result is worth checking out.
As mentioned earlier , the string sounded like a pipe organ bass pipe through the Adam's $8k a pair monitors at Paramount mastering.Clear and musical. This laid to rest the question of whether or not the string was functional.
Needles to say the CD went on to be added to 197 station's playlists worldwide,was in the top ten for three months on the New Age Reporter's
Top 100 New Age/Ambient/World charts(#39 today). "Bubble Work" received a number of "spins". The tunes will even be played in Avis Rent A Car vans soon. I feel it's worth taking the time to get a good recording.
On this CD, "Tap Dance On A Cloud". I used the Tobias 7-string and Percussive Harmonics to create bass and accompaniment parts that haven't been heard on a bass guitar before. No overdubs either .Both the bass and the technique go back years,and are just now getting air play.
So yeah, a lot of talk,but i get to it eventually. I will have some samples soon,probably on the Adler Guitars web site.
Thank you for taking the time to listen!oversoul said:recorded mostly with the 7 I think? I've listened to it, love "Can I keep this dream" for example, I want to see or hear the new one in action
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themajorrager said:
marcusalan said:
weeding said:
This kind of stuff is stoopifying.....themajorrager said:
I met Garry at winter NAMM as he played his new bass - he'd had it for mere hours if memory serves - and was awestruck at his ability to go way beyond navigation on the 12 (which in all honesty is way beyond my ability as a player) to making this black beauty sing.
I would suggest that to anyone who can hit what is in their heart, head and mind's ear with a 4 or 5 stringer you are blessed beyond belief at what you have available to you.
If, on the other hand, what you wish to achieve is exceeded by the sonic limitations of fewer than 6 strings and the skills you have spent years developing are enabled by a broader fret board then go man go. The 12 is more than half bass by range alone - it is 100% bass based on playing technique. It is a bass. Get over it.
It's fine if this instrument is not your cup of tea, or if it has no practical use in your musical world. You will likely never have the need or opportunity to play something like it anyway so it's a rather moot point.
This bass has a home with the man who commissioned her. And the man that built her did an amazing job. I've heard some preliminary playing on this 12 and was amazed by what I heard. I expect that there is much grander stuff to be heard once Garry has settled in with her.
I hope those so willing to pan someone's attempt at realizing the culmination of playing skills with appropriate tools are around and open minded enough to appreciate the end result once it has been put into practice.
:scowl:
Garry Goodman said:
ah well i don't have any experience with sub .008 strings and am a little anxious about them breaking too often when tuned as high as G#4. shortening the treble scale allows a thicker/stronger string. also a more extreme fanning counteracts the large tonal jumps between strings when using a fifths tuning
knowing that your .005 works well at G4 32 inches i subtracted 1 fret of scale length since G#4 is at fret 1 to get a 30 inch treble scale for G#4
"I hope those so willing to pan someone's attempt at realizing the culmination of playing skills with appropriate tools are around and open minded enough to appreciate the end result once it has been put into practice."
Thanks,Skip
"someone's attempt at realizing the culmination of playing skills with appropriate tools" is a very accurate discription.
Thanks,Skip
"someone's attempt at realizing the culmination of playing skills with appropriate tools" is a very accurate discription.
Garry, you certainly do not need to justify what you do and how you do it to anyone, but I guess by opening yourself up in a public forum you can reasonably expect a certain degree of backlash now and then 
It is directly due to players like you, Jauqo, Stew, Al and others that I have, at the age of 54, advanced from a 4 to a 5 to a 6 to now a 7, with the absolute clarity of thought to see where an 8 would be beneficial. After a lifetime of playing I now find the creativity and joy in playing has returned in full force, thanks to these extended ranges .... something I would have thought inconceivable 2 years ago. And playing these basses has, frankly, significantly improved my funk grooves for regular gigs as my overall knowledge and comfort level of the fingerboard has increased.
To those who don't see the point of it all, stop worrying about it and let the "extended range" players do their thing
It is directly due to players like you, Jauqo, Stew, Al and others that I have, at the age of 54, advanced from a 4 to a 5 to a 6 to now a 7, with the absolute clarity of thought to see where an 8 would be beneficial. After a lifetime of playing I now find the creativity and joy in playing has returned in full force, thanks to these extended ranges .... something I would have thought inconceivable 2 years ago. And playing these basses has, frankly, significantly improved my funk grooves for regular gigs as my overall knowledge and comfort level of the fingerboard has increased.
To those who don't see the point of it all, stop worrying about it and let the "extended range" players do their thing
ixlramp said:
The .005 I use doesn't break easily,it has plenty of "play" so it bends when tuned up at the 32" scale. I think you will find that even at 30", an .007,.006 (if it doesn't break first), barely reaches G4,let alone Ab4.At G4, it is very tight.
