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New Musicman Nut Design
- Thread starter bocasfx
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oh by the way i like to crack nuts open and eat em.
i think the new nut look fine. it's a little bigger, but anything that make's me sound better is good in my book.
thanks for the pics tplyons.
thanks for the pics tplyons.
I have a newer Stingray with a compensated nut. I like it and all but at the same time do not understand what it's doing for the intonation that I can't achieve with my bridge saddles.
Is it some sort of Buzz Feiten type thing? And has the scale length changed at all?
Is it some sort of Buzz Feiten type thing? And has the scale length changed at all?
Yes, somewhat like the Buzz Feiten. Actually very similar I believe. And yes, the scale length changes very slightly.Rick Brienzo said:
The problem with parallel frets, is they're never PERFECTLY placed, and this helps to adjust it.
- Jun 24, 2006
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OnlyMe said:
It seems to me more like a total ripoff of the Buzz Feiten tuning system, which is really good and has been around for quite a few years now.
See:
http://www.buzzfeiten.com/
Used on many high end guitars and basses, including MTD and Tom Anderson guitars; if Mr. T's using it, it must be good.
Guess EBMM figures they can save a few cents by changing it a bit and not paying the royalties. :scowl:
Typical cutthroat business practices; I wonder what else they cut corners on? Probably everything they think they can get away with, if this is any indication.
OnlyMe said:
I'm amazed he mentions it - seems to be skirting the issue and a little bit unsure of what to say, almost like he doesn't want to attract too much attention to it. Wouldn't be surprised to see a lawsuit against EBMM come out of this.
Cheers,
Cameron
tplyons said:
Yes I realize the scale length changes a little bit but was it a substantial change (1/8 or 1/4 inch.) And why couldn't you do the same thing with the bridge saddles?
This is the first time I've heard the phrase "cut corners" in reference to EBMM.Bassflute said:
The two systems don't look any more similar than the various manufacturers of bridges out there. Similar result, different technique, where's the problem?
It's the same concept as a compensated bridge on an acoustic g****%.
Why did'nt any manufacturers think of this years ago?
Why did'nt any manufacturers think of this years ago?
Bassflute said:
It seems to me more like a total ripoff of the Buzz Feiten tuning system, which is really good and has been around for quite a few years now.
See:
http://www.buzzfeiten.com/
Used on many high end guitars and basses, including MTD and Tom Anderson guitars; if Mr. T's using it, it must be good.
Guess EBMM figures they can save a few cents by changing it a bit and not paying the royalties. :scowl:
Typical cutthroat business practices; I wonder what else they cut corners on? Probably everything they think they can get away with, if this is any indication.
You know not what you speak of. The Buzz Feiten system is similar but different. The main advantage of the compensated nut is that you don't have to use a special tuner with Buzz Feiten temperments. This is a huge deal and is almost enough on its own to distinguish itself.
Also, it does not require any special bridge offsets as the Buzz Feiten system. If there was a lawsuit to be had, it would have been well underway by now, as EBMM has been selling instruments with a compensated nut since 2003.
Ernie Ball is not Fender or Gibson, it is actually a family business, a very succesful one, but a family business at that. If you think they are cutting corners than you obvioulsy have no experience with their instruments.
While he may not discuss it in the video (it isn't really that sexy of a feature), Sterling and Dudley (main engineer) have never really hesitated to discuss it on the EB forum when they are asked. You shouldn't make so many assumptions.
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Smallequestrian said:
Malarkey: it's similar enough to be more than a coincidence. Nobody showed any interest in alternate nut designs till the Buzz Feiten system had gone mainstream; now the big companies will take from that innovation whatever bit of promotional leverage they can get away with for free.
Smallequestrian said:
Ha-ha-ha-ha! You've GOT to be joking. They are about as 'family' a business as GM or Pepsi. Maybe it's 'the big family' you're talking about; now that I could believe, but they don't exist.
Get real, man, they are giant, nameless, faceless corporations, only out for profit. Especially Gibson - they have destroyed more good gear than they ever built - Trace Elliot, Tobias, and Oberheim are but a few - turned them all to garbage or closed them down.
Smallequestrian said:
Extensive experience, which is why I got rid of my last one in the 80's. Instruments got better - they didn't - in fact, they got worse. I have owned 4 Fenders - Gibson has never made a decent bass so I never bothered with them - and Music Man's were never really my bag, although the early ones were quite good.
Smallequestrian said:
Amazing how brash one can be with a team of corporate lawyers to back you up.
Oh, yes, a compensated nut, how original! Why didn't someone think of that earlier?
Get a grip, man.
Which corporation do you work for?
Cameron
It's not like Buzz Feiten was the first person to find a way to improve intonation on first frets.
There are many designs taking that in account.
There are many designs taking that in account.
Bassflute said:
Malarkey: it's similar enough to be more than a coincidence. Nobody showed any interest in alternate nut designs till the Buzz Feiten system had gone mainstream; now the big companies will take from that innovation whatever bit of promotional leverage they can get away with for free.
Ha-ha-ha-ha! You've GOT to be joking. They are about as 'family' a business as GM or Pepsi. Maybe it's 'the big family' you're talking about; now that I could believe, but they don't exist.
Get real, man, they are giant, nameless, faceless corporations, only out for profit. Especially Gibson - they have destroyed more good gear than they ever built - Trace Elliot, Tobias, and Oberheim are but a few - turned them all to garbage or closed them down.
Extensive experience, which is why I got rid of my last one in the 80's. Instruments got better - they didn't - in fact, they got worse. I have owned 4 Fenders - Gibson has never made a decent bass so I never bothered with them - and Music Man's were never really my bag, although the early ones were quite good.
Amazing how brash one can be with a team of corporate lawyers to back you up.
Oh, yes, a compensated nut, how original! Why didn't someone think of that earlier?
Get a grip, man.
Which corporation do you work for?
Cameron
what your problem dude? do YOU work for Buzz Feiton(spelling?).
The bridge saddles are used to match up the pitch of notes fretted at the 12th fret with the 12th fret harmonic. The compensated nut changes the distance between the nut and the first fret, which helps correct out of tune notes in the first few frets that result from increased stretching of the string when fretting those notes close to the nut. It's all a compromise, just like the tempered tuning system that fretted instruments are based upon.Rick Brienzo said:
zombywoof5050 said:
hmmm??? I don't see how this would affect pitch while fretting a note. When fretting a note the pitch is determined by distance between the fret and the bridge. The nut is out of play at that point. The only way I can see this helping is when playing chords were open strings are involved. But what do I know?
Don't get me wrong I love my Stingray and I am not trying to argue
but this feature seems a little gimmicky to me.
