I also found E and A perpetual match up very well with gut D and G.
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Double Bass New! Pirastro Perpetual Double Bass strings
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Question to perp users who have also tried Evah Weich- could you compare the stiffness / tension / feel between the two sets? According to Pirastro’s website they are very similar as far as tension figures go but I also know they are very different as far as design goes. I recently received a bass that had an old set of Evah Weich as was thinking about going with Perps (probably with the stark D and G) but didn’t want a stiffer feeling string. If anything a little less would be nice, but not quite plain gut low. Any advice?
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Perps will definitely not be stiffer. They have a round core which makes them very supple in a way that I really like, even with the stark G (haven't tried a D).
It's been a while since I've used Evahs, but they do not feel the same. I'm surprised if tension is the same, but evahs definitely feel stiffer in general.
It's been a while since I've used Evahs, but they do not feel the same. I'm surprised if tension is the same, but evahs definitely feel stiffer in general.
Can anyone tell me how the stark Perpetual G compares to an Olive G bowed? I ask because some have suggested the pizz sound of the two are quite similar.
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Yes, the tension is almost the same but they are quite different for sure. Perps are thinner and much brighter arco and pizz with lighter feel.
EPWs are darker and thicker, warm arco and still good pizz sustain, a bit stiffer but still easy to play, more bass and bottom arco and pizz. Both are great hybrid strings depending on your bass and what are you searching for.
EPWs are darker and thicker, warm arco and still good pizz sustain, a bit stiffer but still easy to play, more bass and bottom arco and pizz. Both are great hybrid strings depending on your bass and what are you searching for.
It looks like the Stark G had some green thread in the silk at the pegbox end. The green thread is closest to the nut, not at the end of the string.
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Yes, the green "ring" at the pegbox end denotes the stark version of the string. The standards have no ring.
Loving the Stark D. Threw on the Oliv G which I love and had taken off to get a sense of how the two starks work together (only time it's been off the bass) and zipppp. I put the $145 string back on and right there where it always freys, about the low C, it loses it's winding. Damn. These are fragile strings. I know some cat is always gunna say "oh hay I have put Olivs on and off a dozen times" but I sure haven't. I really like the string but I'm gunna stick with the stark now for it's life and then maybe buy a new Oliv....
Dave, "less bright' isn't how I'd describe it, but you could. I'd say less "ping-y" ... 'deeper' maybe? They feel the same in terms of tension, but just have more beef to the sound. Maybe you could describe it as the fundamental and lower overtones pop more or something. I think its probably a 'depends on the bass' situation, but on mine it was similar to the differences between Spiro Weich and Mitt, but without the bright temporary 'banjo-bass' effect as they settle. They both bow similarly to me, though, but I'm inexperienced and still figuring all that out....
I need a hybrid string for my LaScala. I had my Obligato/Spirocore mixed set on there, but the Obligatos were brighter than on my smaller Kolstein Guarneri bass.
Anyone have an idea how the tension on the Perpetuals compares to Flex Deluxes or 4/4 Spiro Mittels or Weichs?
During the past year, I went from mittels to S weichs to Perpetuals then back to the weichs. I found the tension of Perpetuals to be most similar to the weichs, perhaps slightly less tension. They are a comfortable set to play.
I also used Flex Deluxe a lot in the past. They are on the tight side but still manageable, esp. if you prefer a lower string height.
I also used Flex Deluxe a lot in the past. They are on the tight side but still manageable, esp. if you prefer a lower string height.
been playing the two starks with two reg perps and really wanting either perp starks on the bottom or Im thinking of going to reds. I DONT think they match tension as well (the starks seem like they would be a good tension fit with spiro reds) The D stark is KILLING. it has so much individual tone. So many D strings are just quiet younger brothers who dont bark and dont bite and dont have a personality of their own but not this dude. This D stark is like having a viola player on hand who can solo.
My experimenting puts regualar Perpetuals closest to 3/4 Spirocore Weichs. Keep in mind that tension is technically a measured quality and we usually talk about it in terms of perception. I haven't measured the actual tension. 4/4 weichs are thinner feeling and Perps feels a bit more flexible than 3/4 weichs, but I perceive the tension to be similar.
I like the regualar Perpetual set and I think I'd be compelled to try a full stark set, but mixing in a stark G didn't make things better for me.
I also didn't really feel like a Perp G made Spirocores better. They sound different enough that the transition wasn't transparent to my ear.
Yeah Troy, funny how perception is: I did think the G made things better (on my bass, hands, sound etc) and I DID think it made spires a whole lot better. The D stark is full of tone which I really like all the way up it has a kind of voice that has more personality and individuality then any other D i've tried (I have not tried on my bass a D Oliv which I would love to at some point but after my recent experience with the winding I think Im sticking to the Starks for a while)
