New Quilter bass amp!

[dave_bass5]

I think the issue is that it doesn't come with the BB802. The BB800 bag I would imagine will continue with the old bag.

Having said that 37 euros doesn't sound too bad.

Ah right. So the v2 bag is not the free one with the BB800. Thanks for clarifying that.
Personally I use a med size camera bag to hold everything other than my bass and cab, my current head is a GK MB800 so nice and small.
Price wise I think the Quilter bag is less of a rip off compared to the likes of Markbass and even TC Electronics.

 

[hennessybass]

Personally I use a med size camera bag to hold everything other than my bass and cab, my current head is a GK MB800 so nice and small.

Camera bags seem to be the way to go. Nice padding and they usually have those velcro dividers.

This one looks really nice, could fit an amp, and maybe a small board.
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[Brad Johnson]

The bag that came with my 800 holds pretty much nothing in the front pocket. New bag looks more user friendly.

With my BB800 I've been carrying my speakon cable coiled on top of the amp inside the bag and a non-locking power cable in the sleeve.

On the bright side the new case has more room for needed accessories.

 

[Brad Johnson]

I think from a manufacturing point of view, it makes sense. In the light of Pat Quilters reply I posted above, I would think the BB800 as a try to put as much power as possible into a case as small as possible. This came at the cost of being limited in terms of controls. Then they figured out that they could put the jacks at the lower panel of the body which freed up space for a conventional EQ design. At the same time they came up with the dock idea, also trying to nudge customers into buying their cabs. DI out had to be on the front panel then, again calling for a compromise in using a TRS jack. Then again, if your BB is smugly in the dock, there's no need for a bag. May not make sense for you, but I bet for Quilter it does.

They already had a similar I/O jack array on at least one of their older guitar amps.

 

[Brad Johnson]

The dock system was already present when the BB800 came out, if I remember correctly. Or they came out a the same time, maybe.

Yes, IF it's in the dock. I'm sure there are plenty of situations in which pretty much anyone would bring just the head and not the cab, or I would say not the Quilter's cab (IF you have one in the first place). I mean, it's just a little bag that doesn't cost that much, I think they should inlcude one in the package.

That would likely jump the amp from the original $500 of the BB800 which IMO was a flat out steal to $700 or more US. It's worth it but could easily be seen as a negative.

The docking cabs came out a while after the amp.

 

[Max Bogosity]

What's the purpose of the XLR input? I see someone a few pages back is running an external preamp into the Quilter via XLR, but what is the advantage of that versus running 1/4" to the effects loop return?

 

[dave_bass5]

What's the purpose of the XLR input? I see someone a few pages back is running an external preamp into the Quilter via XLR, but what is the advantage of that versus running 1/4" to the effects loop return?

Well the XLR locks, that's one advantage right there.

 

[Downunderwonder]

What's the purpose of the XLR input? I see someone a few pages back is running an external preamp into the Quilter via XLR, but what is the advantage of that versus running 1/4" to the effects loop return?

Puts the EQ section into action. As to being an XLR rather than 1/4" TRS, beats me, not many preamps are XLR out only.

 

[Mushroo]

What's the purpose of the XLR input? I see someone a few pages back is running an external preamp into the Quilter via XLR, but what is the advantage of that versus running 1/4" to the effects loop return?

Several benefits. Just to name two:

1. XLR is a "balanced" connection, so theoretically can have better sound quality (especially with long cable runs).
2. It would be very dangerous to have a 1/4" input on the back panel of an 800w amp that has 1/4" speaker outputs! Imagine if you accidentally plugged your external preamp into the speaker out, yikes.

 

[Downunderwonder]

What the hell is an 800w amp doing with 1/4'' speaker outs in this day and age?

 

[hennessybass]

What's the purpose of the XLR input? I see someone a few pages back is running an external preamp into the Quilter via XLR, but what is the advantage of that versus running 1/4" to the effects loop return?

The original amp (the BB800) had an xlr in and xlr out on the amp... the idea being that you could daisy chain as many amps as you want together to make any size rig.

The XLR in on the new amp may kind of be a hang-on from the old amp.

I think what happened is most guys took the input and started using it as a way to use the Quilter as a power amp, and the output as a DI (which guys then complained was not a true balanced DI).

 

[hennessybass]

Several benefits. Just to name two:

1. XLR is a "balanced" connection, so theoretically can have better sound quality (especially with long cable runs).
2. It would be very dangerous to have a 1/4" input on the back panel of an 800w amp that has 1/4" speaker outputs! Imagine if you accidentally plugged your external preamp into the speaker out, yikes.

See my post above about "balanced". I think I'm remembering that right.

EDIT- my bad... the input is balanced, and the output is "quasi-balanced".
I thought both the in and out were quasi-balanced. But turns out not.
Removed that part of my post above.

Nice point about the 1/4" speaker outs.

@Downunderwonder - back in the older BB mega thread(s) there is at length discussion about why the BB has 1/4" outputs, including one post which has a pretty in depth answer from Pat Quilter himself about it and also about the safety concerns, regulations, and all that stuff.

 

[Max Bogosity]

Thanks guys. I'm not seeing the utility there, but that's ok.

 

[Hypercaffium]

With my BB800 I've been carrying my speakon cable coiled on top of the amp inside the bag and a non-locking power cable in the sleeve.

I always put a speakon cable and BB800's power cable into the V1 bag.

That would likely jump the amp from the original $500 of the BB800 which IMO was a flat out steal to $700 or more US. It's worth it but could easily be seen as a negative.
The docking cabs came out a while after the amp.

I respect your opinion, but I still think the amp should come with a bag. And possibly without a price jump of course.
If I remember correctly, the BB800's price raised a little bit after its release. Most of the people here accepted this thing positively, saying that the amp was "so good that the price was a steal". Well, I didn't. And it doesn't make sense to me. Again, I respect your opinion but I wouldn't pay more for the same amp I already have.

 

[Brad Johnson]

I always put a speakon cable and BB800's power cable into the V1 bag.


I respect your opinion, but I still think the amp should come with a bag. And possibly without a price jump of course.
If I remember correctly, the BB800's price raised a little bit after its release. Most of the people here accepted this thing positively, saying that the amp was "so good that the price was a steal". Well, I didn't. And it doesn't make sense to me. Again, I respect your opinion but I wouldn't pay more for the same amp I already have.

I caught alot of crap with my theory about Markbass' initial pricing strategy so I'll leave this one alone. Let's just say I don't think the initial margin probably wasn't meant to be permanent.


Look at the competitions' pricing.

 

[Brad Johnson]

The original amp (the BB800) had an xlr in and xlr out on the amp... the idea being that you could daisy chain as many amps as you want together to make any size rig.

The XLR in on the new amp may kind of be a hang-on from the old amp.

I think what happened is most guys took the input and started using it as a way to use the Quilter as a power amp, and the output as a DI (which guys then complained was not a true balanced DI).

I find it unlikely that the in had anywhere near the use of the out.

 

[dave_bass5]

I find it unlikely that the in had anywhere near the use of the out.

A bit like the older Markbass heads. Never really understood why they used the XLR in on so many heads.

 

[Brad Johnson]

A bit like the older Markbass heads. Never really understood why they used the XLR in on so many heads.

Probably seemed cool at the time. Like the output on Alembics.


IIRC my early Trace Eliott rig had non standard speaker connections back in the 80's. More of a PITA if you lost one than anything. I grew to seriously dislike that rig.

 

[dave_bass5]

Probably seemed cool at the time. Like the output on Alembics.


IIRC my early Trace Eliott rig had non standard speaker connections back in the 80's. More of a PITA if you lost one than anything. I grew to seriously dislike that rig.

I remember at the start MB advertised it as being for upright bass players. Sounded like a good idea but ive never seen anyone use it.

 

[Wisebass]

Hi Brad

IIRC my early Trace Eliott rig had non standard speaker connections back in the 80's.

Trace Elliot used XLRs as speaker connections because in the early 80s

these became standard on P.A systems in Europe.

Until Neutric came out with the speakons the XLR male/ female was the standard pro speaker cable in Europe.

Was a good idea. Instrument cables were not used to connect cabs.

(The hacks used microphone cables instead )


greetings

Wise(b)ass