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New Squier? Or used Fender?

#101
okcrum said:
Well, riddle me this, then, Joe. When you pluck a string on your basss, why do the other strings vibrate, some less, some more, depending on the note? Why can you feel vibration in the neck and body? I'm talking about circulating acoustic energy, that damps out eventually, not some kind of zero point energy. Think it through, man!

Please don't tell me the bass is broken. Every EB I've ever played does it. Just because an EB doesn't have a sounding body cavity doesn't mean acoustics (as in mechanics of sound) are not involved in how it works and sounds.

I guess it's the lifetime alder batteries. :D
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I sent your reply to a buddy retired from the Air Force (ex: Langley) who was in charge of research concerning sound wave effects and perceptions from laminar wave generation caused by supersonic aircraft and other 'secret' things that would get the guys in black suits to my door ----

He has tears in his eyes and he is holding on to his sides. He really appreciated the humorous thoughts you have about resonance, regeneration, parasitic oscillations and sound wave propagation.

He really fell out of his chair when he read the 'circulating' thing-y.



I think it's time for Tink again:::

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#102
GBassNorth said:
I can't be positive of the OP's experience but if it's anything like mine he might just walk out the store with a new Squire and a few hundred dollars left in his pocket.

In my case, I was at a Guitar Center and came across a used Fender MIA Jazz 5 that was fairly clean and played great, they only wanted about $600 for it - a steal for a great sounding 5er. I made the mistake of thinking about buying it overnight and when I went back the next day it was sold and gone. Kinda bummed I went to a nearby Sam Ash and found a used MIM Jazz 5 that played nearly as good as the MIA 5er at GC but they wanted $800 for it. Wasn't about to pay more for a MIM than a MIA so I passed on it and looked around the store a bit for other 5 strings. Stumbled across a Squire Affinity Jazz 5 in burst finish - looked nice but based on opinions here on TB I figured it would be a real dog in the sound, feel and quality department.

Man was I wrong, it played and sounded much better than the MIA 5 or the MIM 5 - actually there was no compairson. I checked out the price tag, and it was marked $229. The build quality was there as well. Bought it on the spot and got it home, plugged it into my SVT-VR/Bergantino rig and was in heaven, unf#@%ing believeable - rich deep lows, tight top end, killer punch, tons of sustain, lots of tone options. Then I plugged in my 2005 Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass 5 (that I paid $1200 for new and sunk $800 in upgrades in to get it to sound the way I wanted) and played the two basses side by side. Needless to say, the American Deluxe went back in the case and I've been using the Squire ever sense - yes, it's that much better. I do however still suffer with the Squire Headstock Logo stigma. However, as I said on another thread, if I really wanted to cheeze off a gear snob I'd bring my American Deluxe to a gig - AS MY BACKUP BASS - and use the Squire all night long.
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Of course you realize that now you've opened yourself up to being called a "Squier fanboi" by those that don't think it's possible for a cheaper bass like a Squier to be as good as a much more expensive bass. That would then mean that maybe they paid way too much for their basses when they could could have gotten something just as good at 1/4 the cost.
That would make them feel foolish.
Like everyone else, they don't wanna feel foolish so they'll just try and invalidate your opinion by calling you a name.
 
#103
SurferJoe46 said:
I sent your reply to a buddy retired from the Air Force (ex: Langley) who was in charge of research concerning sound wave effects and perceptions from laminar wave generation caused by supersonic aircraft and other 'secret' things that would get the guys in black suits to my door ----

He has tears in his eyes and he is holding on to his sides. He really appreciated the humorous thoughts you have about resonance, regeneration, parasitic oscillations and sound wave propagation.

He really fell out of his chair when he read the 'circulating' thing-y.



I think it's time for Tink again:::
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I think this reply speaks for itself, imaginary friends and all. :D
 
#104
C.Linton said:
Of course you realize that now you've opened yourself up to being called a "Squier fanboi" by those that don't think it's possible for a cheaper bass like a Squier to be as good as a much more expensive bass. That would then mean that maybe they paid way too much for their basses when they could could have gotten something just as good at 1/4 the cost.
That would make them feel foolish.
Like everyone else, they don't wanna feel foolish so they'll just try and invalidate your opinion by calling you a name.
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:smug: how right you are! The moron's last line of defense is always name calling, let 'em bring it on. Then I know I've won the debate.
Actually a name that would apply is "Great Deal Fanboi". I'm always looking for one and found it with the Squire. Likewise I found great deals on my Alembic and my Pedulla and 1968 Fender P Bass and my preEB 1978 Stingray and so on. About the only bass I own that I don't consider having got a great deal on was my Fender American Deluxe Jazz 5 - bought it mail order because all the 4 string Fenders that I tried in the store sounded good. I found out later that Fender consistency from bass to bass isn't what is should be. As I noted, I got it to sound great but had to sink a ton of money in it, unlike the Squire.
Back to the OP - try before you buy, you might just be surprised - I was.
 
#106
I stand corrected and rightfully so.
Guess it kinda goes to show that I really don't care much about what the bass is called as long as it plays good and the deal is right.
Heck, at the end of the day it's just another fender. Just like a Lexus is a Toyota and an Acura is a Honda:hiding:
Now them is fightin words in some circles.
 
#108
C.Linton said:
I personally think Dunn is a better bassist than Clarke. Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong.:hiding:
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I'm no expert on Dunn, but I'm 100% confident that Clarke could (easily) play anything that I've ever heard Dunn play. OTOH, I'm somewhat confident that I've heard Clarke play plenty of stuff that Dunn simply does not have the chops to play.

I could easily be wrong. But, if I'm not then that means (TO ME), that Clarke is a better bassist.

:D
 
#109
Peepaleep said:
Whether or not the OP cares about resale value is irrelevant because resale value is one reason to choose one over the other.
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I've seen too many references to this "resale value" fallacy. Numerous people have asserted that one reason to choose an MIA Fender over, as one example, a Squier is the Fender has better resale value.

How's that??

Let's say you buy a new MIA Fender Am Std P online for $1249. You sell it a year later for $750 (which would be doing pretty well). You've lost 40% and, more importantly, $499!

On the other hand, you could buy a new Squier Deluxe Active Jazz V for $330 (this is just an example), and sell it later for $200 (and, really, probably closer to $250, but let's lowball for the sake of discussion). In that case, you'd have lost 39% and $130.

So, I could start with $1250 and, either, one, buy a Fender, keep it for a year, sell it, and have $750 in my pocket, or, two, buy a Squier, keep it for a year, sell it, and have $1120 in my pocket.

I don't know what world some of y'all live in, but in my world the bass that loses me less money is the one I would say has better resale value.

If you want to talk about buying used, fine. In either case, when buying used, if you shop with reasonable care you should be able to buy one, keep it for a year, and sell it for pretty much what you paid for it - whether it's a Fender or a Squier.

Unless, of course, you're talking about buying vintage. I would definitely not try to make any argument suggesting that you can make as much money investing in vintage Squiers as you can in vintage Fenders. That discussion is outside the scope of my post or this thread.
 
#111
StuartV said:
I'm no expert on Dunn, but I'm 100% confident that Clarke could (easily) play anything that I've ever heard Dunn play. OTOH, I'm somewhat confident that I've heard Clarke play plenty of stuff that Dunn simply does not have the chops to play.

I could easily be wrong. But, if I'm not then that means (TO ME), that Clarke is a better bassist.

:D
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No, you're not wrong. But then again, neither am I.;)
 
#113
slipitin said:
Used fender, a new squire is just as likely to have issues, will not appreciate as well and you can re-sell used fenders for the same price (or higher) which is a better investment.
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That is not necessarily true. I could sell my '08 MIA Jazz, for which I paid $1200, and get maybe $800-$900. Consequently, I have on intention of getting rid of either that bass OR my Squiers, so resale value is not a concern for me. As StuartV said, I believe that resale value is often overrated as a reason to get a particular instrument.
 
#114
GBassNorth said:
:smug: how right you are! The moron's last line of defense is always name calling, let 'em bring it on. Then I know I've won the debate.
Actually a name that would apply is "Great Deal Fanboi".

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Funny, but I was getting that same feeling for bringing up some opposite points. Not to mention some people who evidently skipped high school physics... :D

Let's see, someone dismissed the plywood Squier as urban legend, when I commented that I'd seen one. There are other examples here, notably concerning used EB prices. That's where I decided I was up to my neck in Squier fanatics, and I dubbed them fanbois. They don't want to be confused by the facts, nor can they be reasoned with, just like any other fanatic. Evidently many of them can also not be bothered to read any of the other posts in this thread.

Is there a serious inferiority complex among SOME Squier owners? Their behavior here seems to indicate that. I mean, I have a FrankenP with a Squier body, and it's OK, nothing special. I've played the new Squiers. Again, nothing special. Great value for money, for sure, but let's get over the "everyone hates us" madness, eh? There's a reason Fender has an entry level line of instruments.

I'm with you on the great deals 100%.
 
#115
treekiller said:
THe Korean Squier II 's from the late 80's had LAMINATED bodies, not plywood. IIRC, they were made by Samick or Young & Chang. I had a SQ II Strat, a nice playing instrument, but still not worth much more than $100..............
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I don't know if you've ever played a SquierII pbass, but many people (including myself) would pay over [DEL]$100[/DEL] $200 just for the neck. It was by far THE most comfortable neck I've ever played on, thank god these things sell cheaply.
 
#118
I largely agree with the majority. However you don't really need to worry about electrical failures either of those basses, simple passive systems are easy to fix yourself quicker than you would get it back if you sent it to get fixed.
 
#119
StuartV said:
Let's say you buy a new MIA Fender Am Std P online for $1249.
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That's not the discussion... the OP said the choice was between a used Fender (which will retain it's value - you can sell it for what you bought it for, if you don't trash it)

and a new Squier, which will depreciate in value, as soon as you buy it.

Personally, I tend to buy used. With older instruments, sometimes the routine problems have already been addressed, and it's ready to play. Plus the resale value is retained. Plus, I like a little bit of wear on an instrument, otherwise I get neurotic about putting the first 'ding' on it.
 
#120
The OP said he likes the tone in both, and loves warrenties. No mention of resell value. To me that says Squier. Me, I never even think of resell. I buy a bass to keep. there are much better things to put money in if I'm worried about a return then bass guitars. OP sais he had $500. I'd buy a VM p-bass and a VM fretless with that money. GC has been letting them go all week for $249, I bought a Jag for $249 myself.That would cover every gig he would ever come across.
 

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