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New Wave / Punk forebears...

Connan Mockasins

What is effect on bass? It has that old school funk thing going on. I have just started picking up effects so I am not to hip on envelops and phasers. Any idea? Real interesting stuff. I looked deeper and found I live session with these guys. Like it ,thanks!

I'm honestly not sure, They are somewhat of a difficult band to find information on. Connan is one weird dude though, and the second album is full on vintage R&B, leaving me with absolutely no idea what the next album's direction is gonna be. I hope its a return to psychedelic sound (like the first album).

I mentioned Josef K's David Weddell earlier in this thread, but didn't post links. So here we are, two of my faves.



 
Dave Rick - Yo La Tengo. Also Clint Conley from Mission Of Burma produced their first LP "Ride The Tiger".

Here is also some friends and one present band mate of mine who use to tour with Yo La Tengo.

The Glands - Craig McQuiston. Great bass playing with wonderful tones that compliment all of their songs

 
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Wow-- I am so happy this thread is taking off like it is. I've learned a lot and gotten hipped to many bands I either hadn't heard of or wasn't very familiar with.

Thanks for jumping in and responding, everyone.

I will be back more myself, but I'm working a ton today and tomorrow and now I have a few more pages of the thread I need to go through and a bunch of videos to check out!

Hope everyone's having a great Friday.
 
Wow-- I am so happy this thread is taking off like it is. I've learned a lot and gotten hipped to many bands I either hadn't heard of or wasn't very familiar with.

Thanks for jumping in and responding, everyone.

I will be back more myself, but I'm working a ton today and tomorrow and now I have a few more pages of the thread I need to go through and a bunch of videos to check out!

Hope everyone's having a great Friday.

Welcome back! I was a little worried a played a part in sort of derailing the thread, and that you weren't posting in it because you felt people ruined it lol.. glad that isn't the case! Happy Friday to you too!

You mentioned Big Black, and rapeman earlier, just curious.. are you a fan of Shellac? Steve Albini is an amazing dude.
 
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Welcome back! I was a little worried a played a part in sort of derailing the thread, and that you weren't posting in it because you felt people ruined it lol.. glad that isn't the case! Happy Friday to you too!

Oh hell no, brother! I don't feel "ownership" of this thread--I totally dig it that it has gone off in other directions. We all have bands that we got into and that connected us to other bands and other types of music and so on. I love that!

Like, I might have gotten into the band Dirty Three all because 30 years ago I was into The Birthday Party and naturally got into Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds and Cave's solo work after that, and he has worked with members of Dirty Three, etc., etc.

It's a continuum and a connection.

I think it'd be a drag if this turned into a "Hey! That band can't accurately be called new wave or punk or postpunk because they are really more of a minimalist synthpop group and blahblahblah..."

Ya know whamsayin'?

You mentioned Big Black, and rapeman earlier, just curious.. are you a fan of Shellac? Steve Albini is an amazing dude.

I do dig Shellac. They didn't blow me away as much as Big Black & Rapeman, but that may just be because I had already been listening to those bands for years, and in a way Shellac is another extension of that. But there are several cuts on every Shellac release that I am seriously into, and some Shellac songs are as good as anything Steve's done, for sure.

What I like most about Albini (other than the great music he has made) is that he's just no-nonsense, no BS. He does production work for all these bands and offers his studio at incredible prices, and I just think he has done so much for "the industry." His writing on how bands get screwed in the machinery of the music system should be digested by anyone in a band who's chief aim is to "sign a contract and get BIG!"

I lived in Chicago from 1992-94 and I entered a Touch & Go contest to win a chance to shoot pool with Albini. If you beat him, you got your choice CD or vinyl of the entire Touch & Go catalog. If he beat you, you got a signed pool ball and a copy of ONE Touch & Go album.

Six of us played against him and he kicked every one of our tails with no trouble whatsoever. Total pool shark, that guy--ha!

I ended up with a 4 ball signed by Albini and Corey Rusk (which I later gave to a friend who was really Albini obsessed.) He was a real nice guy. Definite smart-@ss though!

I also got invited to a party while in Chicago and it turned out to be Dave Riley's apartment--the first bassist from Big Black! That was pretty cool.

Unfortunately, I never got to see Big Black, Rapeman OR Shellac live. Just never worked out somehow...
 
Stiv Bators of the Dead Boys went on to make some pretty awesome post-punk/new wave stuff. I love his work with The Wanderers and his self titled career with the album "Disconnected".
The Damned released the album Strawberries, that's another childhood favorite. Songs like Dozen Girls and Eloise are absolute classics.

Great thread!
 
Stiv Bators of the Dead Boys went on to make some pretty awesome post-punk/new wave stuff. I love his work with The Wanderers and his self titled career with the album "Disconnected".

Right on! And don't forget Lords of the New Church!

The Damned released the album Strawberries, that's another childhood favorite. Songs like Dozen Girls and Eloise are absolute classics.

Great thread!

Yeah, I'm a huge Damned fan, at least up through Phantasmagoria...after that, for whatever reason, they dropped off my radar. It may be that they didn't release anything for a long time after that album...
 
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Celibate Rifles - If I remember the name was taken from the likes of Sex Pistols and Buzzcocks
 
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Right on! And don't forget Lords of the New Church!



Yeah, I'm a huge Damned fan, at least up through Phantasmagoria...after that, for whatever reason, they dropped off my radar. It may be that they didn't release anything for a long time after that album...

I actually only got into a few tracks from Lords, songs such as Method to my Madness, Holy War, the cover of Madonna's Like a Virgin... Wowowow this is going back in time.
I'm with you on the Damned, Phantasmagoria was probably the last release that I really, really liked.

There's a new group out called Necropolis (from Ohio), they sound very similar to some of Peter and the Test Tube Barbies material. I'll try and find a YouTube vid later. Can't seem to find one at the moment
 
Oh hell no, brother! I don't feel "ownership" of this thread--I totally dig it that it has gone off in other directions. We all have bands that we got into and that connected us to other bands and other types of music and so on. I love that!

Like, I might have gotten into the band Dirty Three all because 30 years ago I was into The Birthday Party and naturally got into Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds and Cave's solo work after that, and he has worked with members of Dirty Three, etc., etc.

It's a continuum and a connection.

I think it'd be a drag if this turned into a "Hey! That band can't accurately be called new wave or punk or postpunk because they are really more of a minimalist synthpop group and blahblahblah..."

Ya know whamsayin'?...

Right on man! I share the same outlook. That's one of the greatest parts of music is the fact that it is an artistic roadmap that never truly ends, and there is always some new discovery around the next bend. The journey is amazing, and it's cool to think about your life in a musical sense.. where did it start? Where did one band lead you to discover another? Was it a recommendation, a label mate, an influence? Discovery is a beautiful thing!

I do dig Shellac. They didn't blow me away as much as Big Black & Rapeman, but that may just be because I had already been listening to those bands for years, and in a way Shellac is another extension of that. But there are several cuts on every Shellac release that I am seriously into, and some Shellac songs are as good as anything Steve's done, for sure.

What I like most about Albini (other than the great music he has made) is that he's just no-nonsense, no BS. He does production work for all these bands and offers his studio at incredible prices, and I just think he has done so much for "the industry." His writing on how bands get screwed in the machinery of the music system should be digested by anyone in a band who's chief aim is to "sign a contract and get BIG!"

I lived in Chicago from 1992-94 and I entered a Touch & Go contest to win a chance to shoot pool with Albini. If you beat him, you got your choice CD or vinyl of the entire Touch & Go catalog. If he beat you, you got a signed pool ball and a copy of ONE Touch & Go album.

Six of us played against him and he kicked every one of our tails with no trouble whatsoever. Total pool shark, that guy--ha!

I ended up with a 4 ball signed by Albini and Corey Rusk (which I later gave to a friend who was really Albini obsessed.) He was a real nice guy. Definite smart-@ss though!

I also got invited to a party while in Chicago and it turned out to be Dave Riley's apartment--the first bassist from Big Black! That was pretty cool.

Unfortunately, I never got to see Big Black, Rapeman OR Shellac live. Just never worked out somehow...

Dude.. that is amaaaazing! You lived in Chicago at a great time in regards to music (Wax Trax's catalog was crucial in my formative years).

You are so right about Albini being no nonsense, the guy is like a physicist basically, a true precise master at everything he does. He even has a food blog, and is an exceptional experimental cook. He has even cooking down to a science for gods sake!

You got some total kickass stories man, and that is killer how gnarly a pool player Albini is!

Thanks for sharring your story with us!
 
Right on man! I share the same outlook. That's one of the greatest parts of music is the fact that it is an artistic roadmap that never truly ends, and there is always some new discovery around the next bend. The journey is amazing, and it's cool to think about your life in a musical sense.. where did it start? Where did one band lead you to discover another? Was it a recommendation, a label mate, an influence? Discovery is a beautiful thing!

Hear, hear. Well and truly spoken. Heck, I remember back way before the internet where the only zines you could find (at least where I lived) were either all mainstream music or total hardcore punk oriented (like Maximum Rock and Roll--and don't get me wrong: I loved a lot of straight up punk and hardcore, and the first bands I was in were pretty loudfastrules hardcore, but I was always looking to expand...) the only way I could find out about cool new music was either by word of mouth or from hanging out at the one cool record shop in my little midwestern city and looking at how weird the band names and album covers were!

Seriously--that is exactly how I got onto Echo & The Bunnymen, for example. Picked up their first album, thought the name sounded wacky, dug the cover, song titles looked interesting...bam. I found my way to Throbbing Gristle and The Residents the exact same way. In fact, funny mini-story: I came across a 7" ep ("Babyfingers") by The Residents. I didn't know anything about them, but the cover got me hooked. The label didn't say what speed to play it on--45rpm or 33rpm. I got it home, listened to it both ways and I STILL couldn't be sure which speed it was supposed to be played on because I'd never heard any other music of theirs and it was so strange sounding to my ears that it sounded good at both speeds!

(It wasn't until I heard more Residents stuff that I realized "Oh..okay..")

Sorry...just rambling, but yes...that sense of discovery. I kind of think kids today are robbed of that because everything is so instantaneously at your fingertips (or in your eardrums.) But at the same time, the power that comes from instant global connectedness...I can literally write and record a song today, post it in a number of places, and disseminate it worldwide all within hours. That is creative power I never would have dreamed possible pre-digital days.

The downside to that is that there is SO MUCH music available. Although I'd argue there is a larger ratio of crap music-to-cool music than ever before.

Dude.. that is amaaaazing! You lived in Chicago at a great time in regards to music (Wax Trax's catalog was crucial in my formative years).

I hung out at Wax Trax Records all the time. For some reason I went through a big KMFDM period...I also got to know Al Jourgenson from Ministry fairly well. Not to call up and go out, but he used to practice at a space where a band I was in practiced and we all kind of befriended him. Cool guy.

You are so right about Albini being no nonsense, the guy is like a physicist basically, a true precise master at everything he does. He even has a food blog, and is an exceptional experimental cook. He has even cooking down to a science for gods sake!

No way! I had no idea. What a renaissance man! I gotta check that food blog out. That cracks me up. But it makes sense too kind of, right? Ha!

Thanks for sharring your story with us!

Oh, I'm a bad motormouth. I feel like a tool namedropping "brush with greatness" encounters I've had. I've just been really fortunate to have been in bands that got to open for some name bands and I managed (in my younger days) to be tangentially related to "the biz" in small ways like working at radio stations and booking agencies so I had the good luck to meet and rap with quite a few heroes. Plus, I've moved all over the nation in my life...
 
Muddslide...
Great thread, sorry getting a little carried away.

PLEASE don't anyone apologize! It's totally cool. This thread belongs to anyone and everyone--just want it to be cool music. Like music itself, or the journey from one band or genre to another in the pursuit of good music, it's bound to take some twists and turns off the main path. All good.

I'm learning a lot!
 
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Incidentally, I mentioned this band in the OP, but I don't know if they came up again. I've always championed their early work...I think they were more of a thing in the UK than here, but as a budding bass player, their early work really moved me.

Dave Allen was their bass player, ex from the great Gang of Four. Many of his lines were minimal, but they had a sort of sinister, slithery feel to them that I dug. Later on they moved a little further into dance/disco than I felt like following, but their first few releases were pretty tasty, IMO.



 
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Oh, I'm a bad motormouth. I feel like a tool name dropping "brush with greatness" encounters I've had. I've just been really fortunate to have been in bands that got to open for some name bands and I managed (in my younger days) to be tangentially related to "the biz" in small ways like working at radio stations and booking agencies so I had the good luck to meet and rap with quite a few heroes. Plus, I've moved all over the nation in my life...

haha don't ever apologize for the name dropping, or anything of that sort! It is a damn cool experience, and it's killer you shared it with us.

Sorry...just rambling, but yes...that sense of discovery. I kind of think kids today are robbed of that because everything is so instantaneously at your fingertips (or in your eardrums.) But at the same time, the power that comes from instant global connectedness...I can literally write and record a song today, post it in a number of places, and disseminate it worldwide all within hours. That is creative power I never would have dreamed possible pre-digital days.

The downside to that is that there is SO MUCH music available. Although I'd argue there is a larger ratio of crap music-to-cool music than ever before.

My sentiments exactly, back then before instant access to information there was a much grander appreciation for when it was you would discover what was essentially a hidden gem. You actually had to get out, socialize, and do decent work to find something new. Now it is just a matter of typing something into a search engine. Certain aspects of that I am extremely grateful for, but I miss the Christmas morning feel of picking up something from a artist you knew little about, and potentially being blown away by what you would hear (ofcourse there was also a downside of dishing out money for something, and it would end up being bad).

I hung out at Wax Trax Records all the time. For some reason I went through a big KMFDM period...I also got to know Al Jourgenson from Ministry fairly well. Not to call up and go out, but he used to practice at a space where a band I was in practiced and we all kind of befriended him. Cool guy.

KMFDM was my absolute favorite band from the age of about 14-17, to the point that until WWIII I owned every single LP & EP they ever put out. All birthday money/holiday money, etc.. was spent on their recordings. I was an industrial music freak until my adult years, and then of course discovered bands like Clock DVA, Cabaret Voltaire, and Throbbing Gristle. Eventually coming full circle to where it all started out. *Then of course discovering CAN six years or so ago (and far far later than I should have) and realizing that they recorded what I consider to be one of the earliest examples of industrial music with "Aumgn" off of Tago Mago.*

Equally as gnarly as your Steve Albini experience to hear you got to know Al Jourgenson! Awesome stuff.
 

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