New: Zoom B3n Multi-Effects

[coralbass]

Ops, sorry!
I think most of the effects are the same as the B3n (reverb, delays, chrous ecc...) Drive for me are good (though not exceptional, even with the B3n), but in the G5n there are just few with blend/mix control.
Maybe you can try one.

im more modulation guy , the only pedal that makes me think of b3n is the blue berry OD . The G3n i can get really good price in second hand. The boss Me50b seems to have really good effects but lack of modulation to my taste

 

[Rollin Thunder]

It may well be that most of the distortion models are the same, but just a ton of new ones have been added like the RC Booster, Mad Professor Blueberry, and B3K/B7K.

The Bass Big Muff on the old gen is much better than the NYC Muff on the B3n though. No BBM on the new one for some reason!

all the Fuzz on the B3n are poor, i have a carcoza fuzz which is much better, and i sold my bass big muff (regret) as i bought the zoom , but the fuzz are all more for guitar and are too fizzy on bass, worst thing on the zoom for me.

 

[Daniel Piper]

OD/FUZZ/DIST is so personal. I found the BBM (the real one) to be completely sub-par. My experiences with the Carcosa is that is is a good fuzz.

I have sold 2 fuzzrocious pedals since getting my B3N.

all the Fuzz on the B3n are poor, i have a carcoza fuzz which is much better, and i sold my bass big muff (regret) as i bought the zoom , but the fuzz are all more for guitar and are too fizzy on bass, worst thing on the zoom for me.

But then I am not a huge fan of the modulations on the B3N, while others think they are the best part.

 

[BBassBassington]

OD/FUZZ/DIST is so personal. I found the BBM (the real one) to be completely sub-par. My experiences with the Carcosa is that is is a good fuzz.

I have sold 2 fuzzrocious pedals since getting my B3N.



But then I am not a huge fan of the modulations on the B3N, while others think they are the best part.

As someone who's picky about fuzz and is getting ready to pull the trigger on a Bass Big Muff I'd be curious to know what you found sub-par about it. As well as what it is about the B3n's distortions that you like.

 

[Rollin Thunder]

As someone who's picky about fuzz and is getting ready to pull the trigger on a Bass Big Muff I'd be curious to know what you found sub-par about it. As well as what it is about the B3n's distortions that you like.

I regret selling my in favour of the carcoza, the carcoza is great and is really varied, but i fine i spend more time fiddling for the right sound than playing. The BBm with its dry, normal , and bass boost switch, is simpler and more plug and play. Personally i liked the dry (mix) mode and a mid level fuzz and tone, keeps all the low end. the big muff on the zoom does not as its not the BBm. i would go with the bass big muff, i want another.

 

[Daniel Piper]

As someone who's picky about fuzz and is getting ready to pull the trigger on a Bass Big Muff I'd be curious to know what you found sub-par about it. As well as what it is about the B3n's distortions that you like.

I just found the sound of the clipping to be a little 'pinched' - too nasal - but that is just me. I replaced it with a Mojo Hand Colossus, and then a Wren and Cuff Tri Pi 70 - and enjoyed them more. The EHX Green Russian reissue cleans the floor with the Bass Big Muff IMO.

 

[Daniel Piper]

As someone who's picky about fuzz and is getting ready to pull the trigger on a Bass Big Muff I'd be curious to know what you found sub-par about it. As well as what it is about the B3n's distortions that you like.

In terms of B3Ns distortions - I'm enjoying the Darkglass models - the clank and grit that I can get out of them. With the other models like the TS9 or blueberry - I have just found that they have good depth on them, and that if they are lacking in fullness or bite, it is easy to compensate with an EQ or amp/cab sim to taste.

 

[Fekwood]

I've been using the B3 on and off for about 5 years now. I've enjoyed using it, but never really had to use delay on any tunes, until now. I finally figured out how to sync the internal tempo with a delay patch, by turning the delay 'time' value clockwise until the musical note values appear, 1/4 note, 1/8 note, etc...

For ease of use, a tap tempo pedal/switch would really be nice. I've read that the Zoom FS01 could be used in the 'control' jack. Does anyone know if the MXR M199 could be used for the same function? Any cheaper alternatives out there?

 

[todd0864]

In terms of B3Ns distortions - I'm enjoying the Darkglass models - the clank and grit that I can get out of them. With the other models like the TS9 or blueberry - I have just found that they have good depth on them, and that if they are lacking in fullness or bite, it is easy to compensate with an EQ or amp/cab sim to taste.

You should post your settings for your clanky presets. I like to clank.

 

[Loring]

I've been using the B3 on and off for about 5 years now. I've enjoyed using it, but never really had to use delay on any tunes, until now. I finally figured out how to sync the internal tempo with a delay patch, by turning the delay 'time' value clockwise until the musical note values appear, 1/4 note, 1/8 note, etc...

For ease of use, a tap tempo pedal/switch would really be nice. I've read that the Zoom FS01 could be used in the 'control' jack. Does anyone know if the MXR M199 could be used for the same function? Any cheaper alternatives out there?

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B3N comes with this functionality built in.


Pg 42 of the manual...

I know you mentioned B3 but since this is a B3N thread - I'm going to suggest the upgrade.

 

[Fathand]

A bit unrelated, but still pretty close to the subject. The Zoom MS-60B - It has four simultaneous effects, from which 2 can be used for amp and cab sim (if going direct), right? So I could put a distortion / OD and a compressor to the other slots and use that as a single batch, with an added tuner (and mute?) --> basically having a simple pedalboard inside one pedal?

And the B3N is just a larger version with more options (like the external control pedal)?

 

[The Rage]

Yes, but the B3n also uses new algorithms, different from previous zoom devices resulting in better sounds

 

[Johno Dunn]

A bit unrelated, but still pretty close to the subject. The Zoom MS-60B - It has four simultaneous effects, from which 2 can be used for amp and cab sim (if going direct), right? So I could put a distortion / OD and a compressor to the other slots and use that as a single batch, with an added tuner (and mute?) --> basically having a simple pedalboard inside one pedal?

And the B3N is just a larger version with more options (like the external control pedal)?

As stated above, the processing power on the B3n is superior to the MS60B. That being said, the 60b is an amazing single pedal, and can be a very valuable tool. I own and use both. I use the 60b as my amp/cab sim and 4 bands of para EQ. I prefer the cab sims in the 60b, so the majority of my tone shaping is done on it. I use the N in patch mode, and have several clean and effected tones set up on it.

 

[ga_edwards]

A bit unrelated, but still pretty close to the subject. The Zoom MS-60B - It has four simultaneous effects, from which 2 can be used for amp and cab sim (if going direct), right? So I could put a distortion / OD and a compressor to the other slots and use that as a single batch, with an added tuner (and mute?) --> basically having a simple pedalboard inside one pedal?

And the B3N is just a larger version with more options (like the external control pedal)?

As "The Rage" states above, the B3n is a new device with upgraded models which are higher quality than the previous generation (MS60b, B3 and B1on).

Amps+cab take up one slot on the MS60b, so you can in fact run 3 other effects with an amp+cab model. However, I wouldn't recommend using one as a standalone "mini pedalboard". Unless you only need to switch a couple of effects in and out during a set, it isn't the most user-friendly device to use on its own. It's far better when used in conjunction with other effects, to replace pedals you either leave on all the time or ones you rarely use.

 

[ppiluk]

A bit unrelated, but still pretty close to the subject. The Zoom MS-60B - It has four simultaneous effects, from which 2 can be used for amp and cab sim (if going direct), right? So I could put a distortion / OD and a compressor to the other slots and use that as a single batch, with an added tuner (and mute?) --> basically having a simple pedalboard inside one pedal?

And the B3N is just a larger version with more options (like the external control pedal)?

The B3n is larger and does have more options but it sounds superior to the MS-60B. One of the rarely discussed but killer features of the B3n is it uses Cabinet Impulses for its cabinet simulations. This is currently the best method for capturing the sound of a particular speaker cabinet and speaker combination. This feature alone makes the B3n the best choice for the price.

 

[Fathand]

As "The Rage" states above, the B3n is a new device with upgraded models which are higher quality than the previous generation (MS60b, B3 and B1on).

Amps+cab take up one slot on the MS60b, so you can in fact run 3 other effects with an amp+cab model. However, I wouldn't recommend using one as a standalone "mini pedalboard". Unless you only need to switch a couple of effects in and out during a set, it isn't the most user-friendly device to use on its own. It's far better when used in conjunction with other effects, to replace pedals you either leave on all the time or ones you rarely use.

I play with a single tone, and don't switch any effects so I could do with the single pedal. I think I could give the smaller pedal a go, because I can find them used (looking at one right now). It's easy to get the B3n later, if I can gel with the interface.

 

[-Asdfgh-]

B3n.... On its way...

 

[Altitude]

I think it’s easier to copy the same patch on different slots and then have individual effects on or off on each one. Eg slot 1 is verse sound slot 2 is chorus sound and slot 3 is end of song sound. The positives of this approach is mid gig you are not scrolling side to side the negatives is you would need to plan it all out ahead of time.

I keep a clean patch in the first slot of every bank, then the other two are patches that I might be likely to use together. That way I can always get back to a clean patch mid-song with only one tap.

 

[Oly Spart]

As "The Rage" states above, the B3n is a new device with upgraded models which are higher quality than the previous generation (MS60b, B3 and B1on).

Amps+cab take up one slot on the MS60b, so you can in fact run 3 other effects with an amp+cab model. However, I wouldn't recommend using one as a standalone "mini pedalboard". Unless you only need to switch a couple of effects in and out during a set, it isn't the most user-friendly device to use on its own. It's far better when used in conjunction with other effects, to replace pedals you either leave on all the time or ones you rarely use.

Part of this is true, but it all depends how you use your multieffect on stage.
First of all the b3n may be better but while on the ms60b amp and cab use 1 slot, on b3n amp uses 2 slots (unless one of them) and cab uses 1 slot so these are 3 slots for amp and cab.

About switching effects on and off, it's important to know that on the b3n the 3 switchable effects must be contiguous. So you may end up using different patches instead.

In the ms60b you can define the order of a specified number of patches that will be switched, using letters to mark them.
So you can have , as an example, 6 patches marked as A B C D E and F , and even if you have 200 patches programmed, when pressing the switch you will go around those 6 defined ones, which is quiet easy.

Last but not least, now, you can use tonelib to edit both from your computer, so ms60b is much easier to program than before.
(This is the tonelib thread: Free editor for Zoom pedals: B1on, B1Xon, MS-60b

 

[-Asdfgh-]

Part of this is true, but it all depends how you use your multieffect on stage.
First of all the b3n may be better but while on the ms60b amp and cab use 1 slot, on b3n amp uses 2 slots (unless one of them) and cab uses 1 slot so these are 3 slots for amp and cab.

About switching effects on and off, it's important to know that on the b3n the 3 switchable effects must be contiguous. So you may end up using different patches instead.

In the ms60b you can define the order of a specified number of patches that will be switched, using letters to mark them.
So you can have , as an example, 6 patches marked as A B C D E and F , and even if you have 200 patches programmed, when pressing the switch you will go around those 6 defined ones, which is quiet easy.

Is it really three slots? On the B1on it's just one slot for an amp and cab combination, AFAIK.Maybe they use at most two processor slots.