I'm a fan of cabinet simulations (IRs) to the extent that the cab sim subjectively "sounds good" in the context of a mix, and sometimes a cab sim isn't cutting it for whatever reason.
"Cab sim use or cab sim use not....let the ears decide." - Yoda
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I'm a fan of cabinet simulations (IRs) to the extent that the cab sim subjectively "sounds good" in the context of a mix, and sometimes a cab sim isn't cutting it for whatever reason.
"Cab sim use or cab sim use not....let the ears decide." - Yoda
For amp/cab modeling, I believe Zoom has knocked this one out of the park!
I should be content for the next 5-years at least.
I should be content for the next 5-years at least.
You know you're fooling no one, including yourself. Technology is moving so quickly that two years from now we'll be looking at these as legacy devices. Dinosaurs even!For amp/cab modeling, I believe Zoom has knocked this one out of the park!
I should be content for the next 5-years at least.
Cmon now Charlie.For amp/cab modeling, I believe Zoom has knocked this one out of the park!
I should be content for the next 5-years at least.
You know i thought i might be okay without this but for the price I might get one to have in the living room to practice with my IPod and keep my B3 upstairs with my main setup? Or...the new Trace Elliot preamp...or the GK Plex...or...where is the Pepto? I have GAS pains...
Brent
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Mine got returned within a few hours of arrival, tons of hiss and background noise, that grew in volume as a note sustained, as well as very low output. And very little concern from their customer service, stating that the digital noise was the result of being bumped during shipping. Uh, no. And they admitted the output was very low (not a result of shipping). When I say low, I mean low. I understand gain staging very well, this was unuseable.
Who knows, but they are obviously much more focused on their new bluetooth pedal and I doubt the ravo will get much attention.
Absolutely!
And with the B3n you will also get a Rhythm Machine, an 80-second Looper, and a few dozen other effect pedals to play around with should you get bored.
Teijo K.
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Being an effects freak, I still don't get why you would need any effects at all if you really only want to learn songs. If you want to recreate an exact sound I don't think the Zooms can do it. This from using B3 and MS60B.
I think it's also important to work on the sound, get familiar with the types of amps, effects when learning bass or guitar.
And the zoom B3n (but wait we ll see) seems to be a great box...
And there will certainly be more than 5 amps available...
So for Muse or other band, it will be a good idea...
And the zoom B3n (but wait we ll see) seems to be a great box...
And there will certainly be more than 5 amps available...
So for Muse or other band, it will be a good idea...
Teijo K.
Commercial User
True. And if the guy would have asked about learning bass, I would have answered accordingly. But he clearly stated he is only interested in learning Muse basslines... Probably actually easier to do the less effects you have on. After you learned the lines you can start worrying about the sound.
Thank you, I'll keep an eye out for the reviews of the amp models
Sorry for the misunderstanding - I meant being able to recreate the sounds. Also, I'm not a guy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Can anyone enlighten me on how the amp models are simulated compared to the B3? I'm confused as to how IR works. Also, just by chance, if anything has tried it at NAMM or heard a demo, what do the drives sound like? I remember the B3 was a digital fizzy mess when it came to distortions and they required some coaxing.
Simply put, the B3n should be a much better sounding unit across the board. I qualify this statement since I've only heard online demos, but based on my use of the G5n on bass, I can say with certainty that the quality of the amps, cabs, and drives are definitely an improvement. This also seems to be the consensus among guitarists who own the G5n as previous owners of the G5 and G3 series.
A cabinet IR is nothing more than a digitally captured "tone footprint" of a speaker cabinet as captured by a microphone. The real world analogy is this: in a recording studio, mic up a speaker cabinet with a Shure SM57 (for example), and listen to it in the control room. A digital cabinet IR is more or less the equivalent of mic'ing up a cabinet. The considerations are the same: what mic or mics should be used? What distance/angle/placement? In this respect, the number of possible IR representations for just a single speaker cabinet are nearly limitless, and the same techniques used in a recording studio will yield an almost identical result in a digital IR capture.
One huge benefit for bassists is that IR captures allow you to make "distance mic'ing" of a cabinet portable. Not many bassists who mic their cabinet are going to request a mic 2 feet away from it to send to the FOH and Monitor mixer. But in the studio, adding some space between a mic and a cabinet can be very beneficial tonally.
A cabinet IR is nothing more than a digitally captured "tone footprint" of a speaker cabinet as captured by a microphone. The real world analogy is this: in a recording studio, mic up a speaker cabinet with a Shure SM57 (for example), and listen to it in the control room. A digital cabinet IR is more or less the equivalent of mic'ing up a cabinet. The considerations are the same: what mic or mics should be used? What distance/angle/placement? In this respect, the number of possible IR representations for just a single speaker cabinet are nearly limitless, and the same techniques used in a recording studio will yield an almost identical result in a digital IR capture.
One huge benefit for bassists is that IR captures allow you to make "distance mic'ing" of a cabinet portable. Not many bassists who mic their cabinet are going to request a mic 2 feet away from it to send to the FOH and Monitor mixer. But in the studio, adding some space between a mic and a cabinet can be very beneficial tonally.
Yes, probably, but I'm not sure if it is specified anywhere by documentation. Some of the cabinet sims on the B3 are ok, and i use the SVT cabinet. I'm not sure that they are very high resolution, and we're assuming that the IR captures used in the B3n are better quality.
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Saw this on Amazon. Don't know exactly what the actual ship date would be but looks like it could be gotten sooner than March. Amazon.com: Zoom B3n Bass Multi-Effects Pedal, 2.25": Musical Instruments
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But they'll fly it to your house with one of their delivery drones!
