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New: Zoom B3n Multi-Effects

I still don't understand why one has to have a mic sim in conjunction with a cabinet sim. It seems to me that when running the B3n into a power amp and an FRFR cabinet in a live situation I should have the option of hearing the amp/cab combo as if it were in the room or mic'ed through a PA. The mic sim is ideal for recording or for modeling an amp/cab/mic/PA live setting but why not the amp/cab/room option?

For me the mic sim is a big plus though, I have no use of the amp and cab simulations outside of home recording use.

I guess it would have costed Zoom a very minimal amount of extra resources to make it possible to bypass that option though.

But hey, then we might have had to do without the Bomber effect!

If you're looking for reasons to be grouchy, here are the limitations compared with B3:
  • Takes two foot switches to get to tuner, the first one is a long press
  • No XLR
  • No USB audio interface
  • No USB power
  • New gripe: Guitar Lab *does* let you switch between patches but that's it. No editing parameters, no editing patches, no control over patch behavior whatsoever, from either PC or the B3n directly. All onboard controls are completely dead in "PC MODE." In the B3 I can stand at my desk and use the software to edit effects and patches.
On the other hand I think we'll be happy with the improved DSP, the more effects, the faster/better tuner, the improved control layout.

1. A bit of a bummer, since I use mine as my primary tuner whenever in a band context.
2. Don't mind personally, my amp got a balanced XLR DI, also prefer to have it miked up anyway.
3. Couldn't care less, never used that option, my audio interface is able to record at both higher bit and sample rate and it's FireWire as well, so also less latency.
Beside the B3 only got one input, doesn't sound as well for other instruments and got no microphone input.
4. Why would I want that?
5. A bit of a bummer too. Definitely would be nice if an add would allow you even more flexibility over editing the multi effect, instead of the other way around.
 
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I still don't know what the Solo parameter on about do. Could anyone tell me how to use it?

Amp models are Large effects and take up two effect slots. The foot switch for the left-most slot controls the effect On/Off. The foot switch for the right-most slot controls the Solo boost On/Off. When Solo is On, volume of the effect is boosted by the units shown in the Solo parameter. When Solo is Off, effect volume is returned to normal. This feature is for volume boosts usually required for solo parts. :thumbsup:
 
It's cause most of us have been through this Zoom thing several times. AND, we've been waiting for this for awhile.
I think it also has a lot to do with the fact that the B3n is the first bass-specific multi-effects unit to be released by ANY company since.... well, the Zoom B3! I've been very disappointed with Boss for not releasing a bass version of the ME-70 OR the ME-80, so Zoom are basically the only company that still makes smaller effects units for bass (I think Line 6 still make a larger bass unit, but IIRC it came out several years ago).

If the people here are anything like me, they've witnessed the release of units like the Boss ME-80 with a sense of abandonment, as the market seems to be trending towards guitar-only effects units (which manufacturers will simply recommend that any interested bass players use, in lieu of specified products). So the release of the B3n really is quite major (especially considering that the B3 did have some shortcomings in terms of effects quality that made some of them unusable for professional use..... mainly the pitch-shifters).
 
Sorry that I was the bearer of bad news, but in my case the solution to this was inexpensive, that is, I just powered the B3n using its own wall wart and then powered the remaining pedals using another wall wart.

In the case of the Volto, the cost is unfortunately more significant.

Yes it is....so I just bought one of these for the purpose of powering the TurboTuner. I think they said a single battery should be good for like 1200 tunings which is quite a lot. I can velcro that to the bottom of the Pedaltrain then just swap batteries once a year. Problem solved, cheaply.
 
Okay. I didn't catch the final moment but the run time was 11 1/2 - 12 hours.
Edit: Might be a false alarm. Perhaps the unit shut itself off after 12 hours. I'll investigate further tomorrow.
Re Edit: The Power Bank seems to have an auto off function at 12 hours. Back up and running for another 3 hours so far. I won't bore you all again until i have the actual result. I'm guessing 20-24 hours.
 
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For me the mic sim is a big plus though, I have no use of the amp and cab simulations outside of home recording use.

I guess it would have costed Zoom a very minimal amount of extra resources to make it possible to bypass that option though.

But hey, then we might have had to do without the Bomber effect!



1. A bit of a bummer, since I use mine as my primary tuner whenever in a band context.
2. Don't mind personally, my amp got a balanced XLR DI, also prefer to have it miked up anyway.
3. Couldn't care less, never used that option, my audio interface is able to record at both higher bit and sample rate and it's FireWire as well, so also less latency.
Beside the B3 only got one input, doesn't sound as well for other instruments and got no microphone input.
4. Why would I want that?
5. A bit of a bummer too. Definitely would be nice if an add would allow you even more flexibility over editing the multi effect, instead of the other way around.

I also recently purchased a G5n. You can turn the mic sim off on it.
From their website:
The Mic On/Off feature lets you optimize the G3Xn for use with a real amp and cabinet (Mic Off) as well as optimize for playing through a PA system or recording direct with amp and cabinet emulators (Mic On).
The G5n is the same.
Why the inconsistency?
 
Now I see, that the TC Nova System can't do that. What about comparing their sounds? :)
Hi. Please see my post with details about the octavers. The B3n can hang with the Nova sound wise and has far better pitch shifting (though not perfect). The Nova gives instant access to more effect switching but I will be using the B3n. I have several scenarios that it covers quite nicely
 
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Hi. Please see my post with details about the octavers. The B3n can hang with the Nova sound wise and has far better pitch shifting (though not perfect). The Nova gives instant access to more effect switching but I will be using the B3n. I have several scenarios that it covers quite nicely
I've seen the pitch shifting review! ...and the other effects are just as good or better, than the Nova? That's nice news! Thanks!
 
So I've been trying to read through this thread, seeing what a lot of saying. I am a fan of the MS60b, never did the B3 though. The B3n looks pretty awesome.

So what's the general consensus guys?! Effects sound better huh?? Overall, good? Great? OK? Horrid?
 
So I've been trying to read through this thread, seeing what a lot of saying. I am a fan of the MS60b, never did the B3 though. The B3n looks pretty awesome.

So what's the general consensus guys?! Effects sound better huh?? Overall, good? Great? OK? Horrid?

From the little time I've spent:

- all sounds are improved across the board
- more effects slots per patch (7)
- better switching navigation
- front panel programming really easy and intuitive

The following may pop your balloon if you rely on these features:

- tons upon tons upon tons of amps/cabs/fx in the inventory. A good amount are in the B3n, and more are expected on a regular basis via download. You may find initial release slim.
- limited pedal control assignments
- no XLR output
- no USB Audio capabilities; no power via USB
- computer software editor is bare bones, and not yet able to do actual patch creation as you'd expect from an editor.

The "cons" are not deal breakers for me, and IMHO the "pros" make the B3n (and the G3n/G5n) a really good bang-for-buck (in Zoom tradition), and are noticeable improvements over the B3.

YMMV.
 
Does the mic switch work in the same way (in your experience) with the B3n as it does with the G#n?

That is : cab mic on = sounds better through headphones (and presumably line in, frfr, etc)
Mic off = better played onto the front of a physical amp and cab,for those of us who like an amp and cab sim through a real amp

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There is no way to turn the mic sim off and just use the cab sim. Instead there is a balance control that mixes the pure sound of the head with the sound of the mic'd cabinet. It is variable but you cannot have the sound of an un-miced cabinet. I would much prefer being able to turn the mic sim off when playing live through a rig and on when recording or as an option through a PA
 
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I've seen the pitch shifting review! ...and the other effects are just as good or better, than the Nova? That's nice news! Thanks!
Yes, the modulation, delay and reverb effects are nice. The drives are okay, I like the Blueberry because it is the most organic but is not distortion or fuzz. The boost on the Nova can be replaced either with the solo function on the amp sims, by using an EQ or I prefer the EP boost because it has bass and treble controls. For it's size and cost it is a definite winner.
 
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