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MJ5150 said:
@gln1955 and @Jeff K nailed it on the Steelers. Those 1.5 games might as well be 15 games. There is no hope for Pittsburgh with Ben at QB. He's done, finished, played out and so are the Steelers as long as they trot him out there each week.
Let me clarify, no hope at winning a Super Bowl. If you're happy with a team that doesn't go .500, you can stop reading this now. :)
The Steelers aren't 4-13 or even 6-11 bad, but they are bad.
I realize from a distance Tomlin looks like a masterful coach who gets the most from his players and has never had a losing season, but I'll argue it's the guys on the field doing that despite Tomlin as well as Tomlin. He rode that great defense from the 2000's into the ground and squeezed every single win he could from it, a team with HOF'ers on it. That's great Tomlin and he deserves credit for that. However....
He hasn't developed a secondary since Troy and Ike left, still hasn't. He was supposed to be some DB guru and master of the Tampa 2.
They finish just good enough not to be able to rebuild correctly. Think about it, Tomlin had a winning record with Mason Rudolph and Devlin Hodges, so it's clear he's always going to be just good enough not to be bad bad. That's a testament to the kind of guy Tomlin is, he's a good dude, but I think he's played out on a few different levels.
I know for some Steeler fans it's a scary world out there without Ben and Tomlin, but it has to be done. Especially Tomlin and even more so Keith Butler.
The rest of the AFC East has made the tough decisions and are headed in the right direction, getting further ahead of Pittsburgh each year.
I never thought I'd say it, but Cincy looks legit. They ripped the band-aid off so to speak, took some lumps, but look at them now.
Pittsburgh has franchise players on both sides of the ball, and they are young. Please Rooney's, don't waste these players thinking Ben and Tomlin have one more Super Bowl run in them. They don't and haven't for a few years now.
I'm not as big an NFL as I used to be, but I have my pride. I don't want to be eating dust from the Baltimore, Cleveland, AND Cincy.

-Mike
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Well said. And you really nailed it about how they always seem to finish just good enough so they can't really rebuild. Cleveland and Cincinnati sucked badly enough for long enough to build good teams. Pittsburgh never has a really high draft pick. That would be fine if they were winning Super Bowls, but they always seem to be just mediocre.

I'm old. As a kid, the Steelers were probably the worst team in the league most of the time. Then they put it all together and had those great years in the '70s. While they're not THE worst team in the league these days, they seem to be headed more in that direction than back to their glory years. And while I'm not as rabid as I was as a young man, it's still painful to see...
 
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The Seahawks are going to have to rebuild. Nothing is quite working for now. Maybe Carroll has outlived his usefulness, although it's hard to know what would be happening if Wilson was healthy. Geno Smith seems to be a great guy, but he's not Russell Wilson.
 
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It's a tough spot for many NFL teams to be in. Any good enough to play in the NFL QB wants to play, rightfully so, and not sit on the bench waiting for their chance. So they end up stuck with the Geno Smith and Mason Rudolph's of the league thrust into starting positions they likely aren't really qualified for. Relief work in a blowout, or take some snaps here and there, sure. Weekly starts? Not so much.
I've read before that many households in the USA are a missed paycheck or two from being homeless. In the NFL, many of our favorite teams are an injury away from staring down a losing season if that injury happens to the current starting QB. I don't know how you fix it.

-Mike
 
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MJ5150 said:
It's a tough spot for many NFL teams to be in. Any good enough to play in the NFL QB wants to play, rightfully so, and not sit on the bench waiting for their chance. So they end up stuck with the Geno Smith and Mason Rudolph's of the league thrust into starting positions they likely aren't really qualified for. Relief work in a blowout, or take some snaps here and there, sure. Weekly starts? Not so much.
I've read before that many households in the USA are a missed paycheck or two from being homeless. In the NFL, many of our favorite teams are an injury away from staring down a losing season if that injury happens to the current starting QB. I don't know how you fix it.

-Mike
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You don't! And them's the breaks.

A healthy Wilson can hide a lot of flaws. The lack of draft picks and lack of success with the picks they have had means they are not aging well and don't have much recourse except for a few tough years. They aren't New England with Brady, since Wilson hasn't learned to do the dink and dunk, nor have the coaches learned to do that either.
 
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I read through the lines on Tomlin's comments today about the college HC jobs as him asking some of those boosters at USC or LSU for a big payday.
His comment: "That will be the last time I address it. Not only today but moving forward. Never say never, but never. OK? Anybody else got any questions about any college jobs. There's not a booster with a big enough blank check."

-Mike
 
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MJ5150 said:
I read through the lines on Tomlin's comments today about the college HC jobs as him asking some of those boosters at USC or LSU for a big payday.
His comment: "That will be the last time I address it. Not only today but moving forward. Never say never, but never. OK? Anybody else got any questions about any college jobs. There's not a booster with a big enough blank check."

-Mike
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He's probably got the most secure coaching job in the country. Why would he give that up to coach college?
 
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I think a lot of it really has to do with his differences with team management and decisions made in terms of the draft and the vision moving forward. He was quiet publicly about internal team matters for most of his career, but that has started to unravel over the last few years. He’s frustrated and ready to move on, while still highly motivated to win and show what he can still do. He’s ready and willing to stick a finger in the eye of anybody that deserves it at this point.

Hopefully the Broncos can pick him up!:cool:
 
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