NFL 2023-2024

[Gaolee]

Reason #1 Wilson was benched: he is not the kind of QB that Payton wants.
Russ will have to move on and find a team that likes his playing style. Carroll no longer did, and Payton never did.
No doubt the deep pockets of Walmart played into this decision to eat all that salary. However, this now means that mac'n'cheese you've been buying at Walmart for 88 cents is going to jump to $2.88.

-Mike

What coach is going to want a QB like him now? He runs around a lot, but he doesn't seem to make the perfect dime throws he once did. He hasn't adapted to his aging self. I kinda wonder if maybe his physical vision is a little messed up.

I thought he was going to be in Seattle forever, and that he would go into the HOF. Now, it's pretty obvious he's going to bounce around until he retires, and it's not a given that he will make the HOF. He blew it when he left Seattle. He had Metcalf and Locket to throw to, and tight ends who are good for checkdowns and first downs. He doesn't have the same targets in Denver and won't most places he goes. The current Seattle receiving corps can make a lot of QBs look really good.

 

[Chris Fitzgerald]

Counterpoint.

Counterpoint taken! Counter-counterpoint: RGIII had only two seasons where he played more than 9 games because of injury. He was a phenomenal talent, hailed as the second coming by many. And he was really fun to watch at first. But he got injured early and often, and his career kind of trailed off from there. How long might he have played if he didn't rely on running so much?

Also, the data shows that Jackson has been really good from the pocket. He just has to deliver in the playoffs. I think his playoff struggles are partly a result of not having enough playmakers--either the Ravens haven't gotten them, or they've been hurt.

What's interesting to me is that Lamar, along with Tua, are the two QBs everyone was sure were going to get hurt this season. Now granted, the season still isn't over, but both are unscathed. Meanwhile, scads of starting QBs are out for the season, some of them pretty pocket-oriented.

Also true. And Jackson is really good from the pocket. So is Tua. So are Allen and Mahomes and Hurts, and although all have had injuries this year, all are still playing. And in each case, if they were to go down with an injury, it would be playoff aspirations over for their teams....something that seems to be true for just about every team except Cleveland this year. Last year, the Ravens were looking great...until he got injured and Tyler H. had to come in. He's only 26. Allen is 27, Tua and Hurts are both 25. I don't want them to get hurt and cut their careers short, but I think it would be a miracle if all are still playing at a high level in 5-7 years if they keep relying on creating broken plays by running - a short term strategy - instead of taking the long view and throwing a few more balls away and living to fight another day. Or year. As always, EEMMV, and EEMWCB.

 

[Gaolee]

He's one horrendous play call from Carroll and Darrell Bevell away from having two rings. Not that that always gets you in, but I think he's had a better career than Eli.

There were a lot of reasons for that horrendous call. In my opinion, it had a lot more to do with really bad clock management by Carroll than the play itself. They had to burn a time-out because they were dinking around too long after Kearse's miracle catch. If they had gotten on with things, they could have had two time-outs left and could have run the ball on either or both of their plays leading up to a final play. Instead, they only had one and had to throw so they could preserve the option to run on third down. The play they called was a high percentage play. Butler just made the play of a lifetime, Russ threw the ball in the wrong place, and Kearse failed to run the pick quite right. Or maybe the Patriots' DBs didn't bite on the pick. There are a lot of factors that all had to go wrong, and they did. So it goes. I thought about it a lot almost ten years ago. Now, I probably don't remember all the logic quite right. It wasn't as dumb a call as it seemed at the time.

 

[Karl_in_Chicago]

Counterpoint taken! Counter-counterpoint: RGIII had only two seasons where he played more than 9 games because of injury. He was a phenomenal talent, hailed as the second coming by many. And he was really fun to watch at first. But he got injured early and often, and his career kind of trailed off from there. How long might he have played if he didn't rely on running so much?

Within the overall context of whether QB's that don't run as a major part of the game last longer vs QB's that do (all other things being equal), I concur that the non-running QB should normally have the longer career. For the specific case of RGIII, however, I think to merely mention him as a running QB with a short career is to overlook the gross mismanagement of him and his health by the Redskins (as was their name at that time). No need to go into the details here or derail the convo (or veer into how BAD the overall mgmt/ownership of Washington was), there's been more than enough written on the subject out there, but I just don't believe that including RGIII in the sample set of mobile QB's having short careers without at least mentioning that his team's (mis)management was a (significant, IMO) factor in his situation is painting a complete picture.

 

[MJ5150]

I'd agree that Russell Wilson is on the backside of his career, but he'd be fine on a team like KC or Buffalo, even Detroit. Drop him on the Rams and he'd be the Russell Wilson we remember under McVay.
Payton has made it quite obvious he has zero interest in coaching or having Wilson on his roster, which I think is contributing to his less than good performance. I look at Payton and I see shades of Tomlin, a guy stuck in his ways from years ago. Payton too will ride the wave of past success to extend his NFL coaching career when it really should be over.

-Mike

 

[Ignite]

He's one horrendous play call from Carroll and Darrell Bevell away from having two rings. Not that that always gets you in, but I think he's had a better career than Eli.

SB’s lead by the best defense of the 2010’s. I watched every game Russ played. I’m wouldn’t consider him HOF caliber. He’s been effective but I just don’t think of him up there the big dogs.

and some insight to the goal line interception- billecheck worked that play to death in practice. I don’t think anyone on the hawks staff expected butler to making a freaking capitol B-line to Lockette. If the pass had been complete for TD, would people still say they should have ran it?

 

[SoonerBill]

This Sunday I'll decide if there's hope for my Dolphins in the post season. A win or even really close game OK. A bad loss and it's time to figure out what to fix for next year. Hint (defense)!

 

[MJ5150]

Ahahaha, is Flacco really falling asleep in this clip?



-Mike

 

[GregC]

There were a lot of reasons for that horrendous call. In my opinion, it had a lot more to do with really bad clock management by Carroll than the play itself. They had to burn a time-out because they were dinking around too long after Kearse's miracle catch. If they had gotten on with things, they could have had two time-outs left and could have run the ball on either or both of their plays leading up to a final play. Instead, they only had one and had to throw so they could preserve the option to run on third down. The play they called was a high percentage play. Butler just made the play of a lifetime, Russ threw the ball in the wrong place, and Kearse failed to run the pick quite right. Or maybe the Patriots' DBs didn't bite on the pick. There are a lot of factors that all had to go wrong, and they did. So it goes. I thought about it a lot almost ten years ago. Now, I probably don't remember all the logic quite right. It wasn't as dumb a call as it seemed at the time.

All good points. But for perspective, Lynch averaged 5 yards per carry that postseason, had 120 more rushing yards than anyone else and had 102 in the game. Looking at the play that was called, the pass has to be thrown in the middle of the field from the 1-yard-line. Seemed risky, IMO.

 

[GregC]

SB’s lead by the best defense of the 2010’s. I watched every game Russ played. I’m wouldn’t consider him HOF caliber. He’s been effective but I just don’t think of him up there the big dogs.

and some insight to the goal line interception- billecheck worked that play to death in practice. I don’t think anyone on the hawks staff expected butler to making a freaking capitol B-line to Lockette. If the pass had been complete for TD, would people still say they should have ran it?

Seattle had a great defense, no doubt. And I didn't see many of their games. That said, Russ was top 8 in QBR in 2013 and #6 in 2014, while also rushing for a combined 1400 yards those two years. It's almost impossible to win an SB without both a very good defense and offense.

 

[Gaolee]

SB’s lead by the best defense of the 2010’s. I watched every game Russ played. I’m wouldn’t consider him HOF caliber. He’s been effective but I just don’t think of him up there the big dogs.

and some insight to the goal line interception- billecheck worked that play to death in practice. I don’t think anyone on the hawks staff expected butler to making a freaking capitol B-line to Lockette. If the pass had been complete for TD, would people still say they should have ran it?

I had not thought about Bellecheck prepping for it like that and sniffing it out. Butler still made a play for the ages and won the game.

 

[Gaolee]

Ahahaha, is Flacco really falling asleep in this clip?



-Mike

He earned it.

 

[Gaolee]

All good points. But for perspective, Lynch averaged 5 yards per carry that postseason, had 120 more rushing yards than anyone else and had 102 in the game. Looking at the play that was called, the pass has to be thrown in the middle of the field from the 1-yard-line. Seemed risky, IMO.

No argument from me on that. Or at least a play action and fake the handoff to him. The whole world expected a Lynch run. Maybe except Butler. A read option to Lynch or a bootleg after faking it to Lynch probably would have been better than what they did, even if they didn't just hand it to him.

Richard Sherman sure gets wound about it sometimes when he is a commentator.

 

[PolkaHero]

I'd agree that Russell Wilson is on the backside of his career, but he'd be fine on a team like KC or Buffalo, even Detroit. Drop him on the Rams and he'd be the Russell Wilson we remember under McVay.
Payton has made it quite obvious he has zero interest in coaching or having Wilson on his roster, which I think is contributing to his less than good performance. I look at Payton and I see shades of Tomlin, a guy stuck in his ways from years ago. Payton too will ride the wave of past success to extend his NFL coaching career when it really should be over.

-Mike

Lions fan here and we don't want him, we're good with Goff for now.

 

[Chris Fitzgerald]

 

[GregC]

Ahahaha, is Flacco really falling asleep in this clip?



-Mike

 

[Jeff K]

I felt really bad for the Lions last night. Number 68 was certainly TRYING to declare his eligibility to the ref, but the ref wasn't paying any attention to him. Although after that unfortunate penalty, I'd have probably kicked the extra point to tie it.

 

[PolkaHero]

All I'm going to say is that the Lions got robbed last night. They WILL be a force in the playoffs, this team has serious grit.

 

[GregC]

Miami can clinch the division with a win over the Ravens, and the #1 seed by also beating the Bills next week.

That's an extremely tall order. And it's going to be extra difficult because Miami will be without #2 WR Jaylen Waddle and starting RB Raheem Mostert today. Ugh.

 

[GregC]

I felt really bad for the Lions last night. Number 68 was certainly TRYING to declare his eligibility to the ref, but the ref wasn't paying any attention to him. Although after that unfortunate penalty, I'd have probably kicked the extra point to tie it.

All I'm going to say is that the Lions got robbed last night. They WILL be a force in the playoffs, this team has serious grit.

As much as I dislike the Cowboys, I have to point out that the refs incorrectly called tripping on the Cowboys instead of the Lions' Hutchinson. Without that call, Dallas likely could have run out the clock.