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MJ5150 said:Probably still trying to figure out why you guys dropped all that cash on a guy who never had more than 601 receiving yards in a single season?
-Mike
Nah, that one's easy... change in philosophy. Snyder usually drops mounds of cash on big names who never work out with the Skins, so maybe dropping mounds on some small names will work better
. Seems he has a need to spend his loot. He's bought 3 small radio stations in the DC area and given them rights to everything Skins-related including coverage of games and hired John Riggins to do a call-in talk show. He's kind of annoying -maybe I envy his money - but it helps that he's been a Skins fan since he was a kid.
jrthebassguy said:
It's very true... most of the problem with Sherman is that he had way too much power for too long, and he ascended to power much too early. He was handed the head coaching and GM duties and there's no way he was qualified for both... sometime in during the 2004 season, Sherman was doing a press conference after a game (I forget which game, but it was when the team was rolling into the playoffs after a few consecutive wins)... anyway, Sherman says something like, "I don't know if this is the most talented team in the league, but I doubt another teams cares about each other as much and has so much heart" or something like that... YOU DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE MOST TALENTED TEAM IN THE LEAGUE, M*%#@&F^!&$ER! You were the GM, it was your job to evaluate and bring in talent... THAT'S WHAT A GM DOES!!!!!!! AHHHHHHH!!!
So, yes, I concur... he may do very well in a limited roll for the Texans... just had to get that off my chest
mrmoonjam said:Nah, that one's easy... change in philosophy. Snyder usually drops mounds of cash on big names who never work out with the Skins, so maybe dropping mounds on some small names will work better
Dan Snyder reminds of the chick from the movie/book "Misery".
"I'm your number one fan!"
A person who is so much a fan that they actually hurt them.
mrmoonjam said:
Snyder is a doofus. His spending habits are ridiculous, and mess up the salary structure for other teams. Worst of all, he is messing with guys careers. Take Randle El.....he was a perfect fit for the Steelers, in the Steelers system. You can't just grab a guy, throw a huge wad of cash at him, and expect him to perform the same in a different system. I give Randle El maybe four weeks of regular season football before some media guy in DC calls him a bust.
-Mike
It's Snyder's money, but Joe Gibbs has control of all personnel moves now. If Gibbs is true to form, the Skins will be full of guys who put the team first...I know it sounds corny, but it's what Gibbs is about, and it started to gel toward the end of last season.
I'm not sure how Snyder's spending habits mess up the players' salary structure for other teams if everybody has the same salary cap to deal with. On the other hand, I think he's WAY out-spending other teams on coaching. That's a loophole the NFL needs to close, IMHO.
has control of all personnel moves now. If Gibbs is true to form, the Skins will be full of guys who put the team first...I know it sounds corny, but it's what Gibbs is about, and it started to gel toward the end of last season.I'm not sure how Snyder's spending habits mess up the players' salary structure for other teams if everybody has the same salary cap to deal with. On the other hand, I think he's WAY out-spending other teams on coaching. That's a loophole the NFL needs to close, IMHO.
mrmoonjam said:
I think Mike's point was that it doesn't alter the pay structure directly, rather it helps to shift lesser talent into higher pay brackets... after Randel El's deal, more good 3rd receivers will come out of FA expecting more than they're probably worth to most teams. I understand in a certain sense that you pay to keep or get the talent you want, put the team first. But it makes sense to do that with big time talent, let the utility and team players be paid accordingly even if they have to wait a little during FA to realize that no one's taking their offer and they best bring it down a bit. I'm not getting down on Randel El, though, take your payday, man. Most teams overpay role players to certain degree here and there, it's just Snyder seems to make it a fevered ritual so he's a good target.
Things aren't going well with the Pats right now (note: I HATE the Patriots).
Branch is holding out for more money. Brady is upset that Branch isn't getting the money, AND he's got no recievers to throw to. Their RB is okay at best. Their defense is falling apart (Bruschi is hurt, plus he just hasn't been the same since his stroke. All of the big names are getting old, anyways).
Looks like the dynasty is truly over.
Branch is holding out for more money. Brady is upset that Branch isn't getting the money, AND he's got no recievers to throw to. Their RB is okay at best. Their defense is falling apart (Bruschi is hurt, plus he just hasn't been the same since his stroke. All of the big names are getting old, anyways).
Looks like the dynasty is truly over.
wolfs said:
2 good points.
Snyder earned his status as a target. When Snyder bought the team we started the annual cycle of megabucks to former superstars (eg. B.Smith, Neon Deion)--raised expectations--mediocre performances by them--poor team
performance--coaching changes--megabucks to former superstars. The constant coaching 
changes may have been the worst part. It was an emotional/expectational [not a word?] roller coaster for us fans, and it had to be hell for the players and chemistry. I can see what you mean about shifting players' expectations about their value. But when it comes to Randle El, I think he was a good deal financially. He virtually won a couple Steelers' games last year with good returns, add to that his ability to catch, run, and pass and give those abilities to an offensive mind like Al Saunders.... Shoot, I think I'm getting my hopes up again
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Kibuddy said:Things aren't going well with the Pats right now (note: I HATE the Patriots).
Branch is holding out for more money. Brady is upset that Branch isn't getting the money, AND he's got no recievers to throw to. Their RB is okay at best. Their defense is falling apart (Bruschi is hurt, plus he just hasn't been the same since his stroke. All of the big names are getting old, anyways).
Looks like the dynasty is truly over.
Corey Dillon... Bengals fans watched this guy for years. He's not the kind of guy who'll kill himself w/o proper motivation. If he decides to start being whiney, (and he will, its only a matter of time) look for his numbers to drop off or "injuries" to start appearing out of thin air.
But, in the same breath, I was at the game where he set the single game rushing record against the Broncos... he was completely untouchable. He CAN be ssooooooooooo good. If the dynasty is fading, he'll quit trying.
mrmoonjam said:
Take Randel El as an example. Snyder signs him to a big money deal. It is seven years for $31 million. The next best offer he had was six years $18 million. The kind of money Snyder threw at Randle El is #2 WR money. At best, Randle El is a very good #3 WR. Maybe I am wrong, and Randle El blossoms into a major offensive threat. If so, then I'll admit I am incorrect on my views. I've watched Randle El since day one in Pittsburgh, and I don't see it.
So when Snyder hands out that kind of money to a guy like Randle El, every other player equal to Randle El is going to go looking for the same kind of deal. Then, you have #3 WR's wanting #2 money. See what I mean?
-Mike
Yep, I see what you mean, but I see that as messing up players' expectations and/or egos, not messing up the cap structure. BTW, my wife and a very close friend are both lifelong Steelers' fans, so I've already caught my share of crap about El going to the Skins . Steelers are my #2 team, too.
And please don't interpret anything from me as defending the way Snyder does business. He comes off smug and arrogant, which I find really annoying. His big-dollar multi-year contracts are notorious for big signing bonus, then escalating HUGELY in the last few years. If a player isn't worth 5M in the fourth year of his contract [arbitrary figues], he gets cut, e.g. Stephen Davis and Lavar Arrington. I think that's how he appears to be spending more than other owners.
. Steelers are my #2 team, too.And please don't interpret anything from me as defending the way Snyder does business. He comes off smug and arrogant, which I find really annoying. His big-dollar multi-year contracts are notorious for big signing bonus, then escalating HUGELY in the last few years. If a player isn't worth 5M in the fourth year of his contract [arbitrary figues], he gets cut, e.g. Stephen Davis and Lavar Arrington. I think that's how he appears to be spending more than other owners.
Any AFC South fans other than Kelly Lee and I?
The last football thread turned into a "Who sucks less"-fest from the guys who like the Norris division.
The last football thread turned into a "Who sucks less"-fest from the guys who like the Norris division.
abark000 said:Any AFC South fans other than Kelly Lee and I?
The last football thread turned into a "Who sucks less"-fest from the guys who like the Norris division.
I'll be an AFC South fan when the Texans give me a reason to pay attention.
But it's nice to see Peyton Manning come to town once a year
jrthebassguy said:I'll be an AFC South fan when the Texans give me a reason to pay attention.
But it's nice to see Peyton Manning come to town once a year
My favorite thing about watching a Texans game is the fans with grocery bags on their heads with "Texan fan, you don't know me" written on it.
abark000 said:The last football thread turned into a "Who sucks less"-fest from the guys who like the Norris division.
Listen, I can't help it if we have cleverness to spare (except for the Vikings' fans, of course)...
mrmoonjam said:
I'm not talking about the actual salary cap. I'm talking about the structure of salaries. As usual, I'll go back to the example of Randle El. A player at his level is a $1-3 million a year guy. When an owner decides to up that to $5-6 million per year, it messes up the pay scale all across the board. Now the guy making $6 million looks across and sees this average guy making the same as him, so he now wants $8 million. The guy below him making $2 million now feels he should be getting the same or more, and now wants $5 million. In the end, the entire pay scale, or structure, has been raised. What you used to get for $3 million now costs you $6 million with no increase in quality or performance.
Sure, I understand part of it is inflation and salaries are bound to go up as salary caps increase with increased revenues. At the same time, careless spending throws the salaries all out of proportion.
-Mike
