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Nobody cares about your tone....

This thread has given me an existential crisis, I mean, if they don't care, why should I care, or even bother? Forget the last 30 years of my life trying to make the best sounding music I can for people to listen to and do the best I can at executing my chosen skill, passion, and profession, I'm just gonna quit! Thanks dude, you really cleared this one up for me!

buuut seriously...People who listen to music care what it sounds like, that's a major point of hearing/experiencing music, and it's a sum of it's parts. I've been to shows (Flecktones, Mike Watt, Rush) many times with non musicians who didn't know why something technically sounded good, but they commented on it as being something that moved them and sounded beautiful.
 
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RE: Billy and Scientology, I know Scientologists and they're alternately as decent and lousy as any other bunch of people. Got no interest in being one ever, but if it makes them happy, que sera sera.
Yup. Just don't push that crap on me and we'll get along just fine.

Him being a scientologist won't stop me from overplaying the Winery Dogs CD (which is killer BTW).
 
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Stereotypical lazy slob bass player here...

If the audience doesn't care at all I usually just stop playing. 9 times outta 10 they don't notice that either. I think I'm probably just going to give up playing. I mean, if the audience at a bar doesn't want to hear me play covers then why do I even bother playing music at all. Playing in a bar cover band is literally the ONLY musical venture that I'm aware of. There is no other kind of music that I could possibly play because I'm a lazy slob bass player who failed at guitar. No sense in trying to craft my own tone or music.

/rant
 
When wife is looking for a negative reaction
I usually give her a
glass of WINE and a piece of CHEESE
Then I leave for my studio.
 
I just had a conversation yesterday with a fellow bassist about this very topic. It centered more on the insane amounts of money we spend buying and selling all kinds of gear in search of the best tone. I have come to the realization that if I have an amp that people can hear (Hell, a Sansamp works) and its mixed well with the rest of the band. People will dig it. They don't give a hoot about my gear, besides the other bass player that may show up.
I guess I will save my money from now on and not shoot for 2000 amps to play some bar. I will use my Fender Rumble gear that sounds absolutely fine to me and everyone else and just get out there and play.
 
Amps are easy on a minimum 3 year replacement cycle. When they are hauled on trucks and in trailers in humid to dry weather. They become unreliable. You hear horror story's of people losing amps while on the road. It's true.

Also when you think about it. If your doing it for a living, the amp is a tool. I know construction workers that use made in China tools that are just as good as the American named tools at twice the price. It isn't worth the brand name and they can use the money saved on something else.

I can buy your argument that you should settle for an SVT3 instead of a DB751 if you're going to be replacing them a lot, but that's not at all the same thing as saying that "tone doesn't matter to a working professional."
 
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You're right. Nobody cares about my tone but me.

But, I used to make weatherstripping for the automotive industry. Nobody cares about weatherstripping in their car either... until it doesn't work. Bass tone, unfortunately is the same thing. Nobody even thinks about it, but if it doesn't work (in the song) it ruins the whole thing. Now I am guilty of going a bit over-the-top in my effort to make my tone as good as I can. But eh, everyone needs a hobby right?
 
I just had a conversation yesterday with a fellow bassist about this very topic. It centered more on the insane amounts of money we spend buying and selling all kinds of gear in search of the best tone. I have come to the realization that if I have an amp that people can hear (Hell, a Sansamp works) and its mixed well with the rest of the band. People will dig it. They don't give a hoot about my gear, besides the other bass player that may show up.
I guess I will save my money from now on and not shoot for 2000 amps to play some bar. I will use my Fender Rumble gear that sounds absolutely fine to me and everyone else and just get out there and play.

Hear, hear., Well spoken.

I don't think it's a matter of the audience not caring, it's more about not noticing. I posted this mini-rant
on another thread but am gonna copy it here just because I think it's relevant to the discussion:

1. 99% of an audience doesn't know or care what kind of bass you are playing or what you are playing it through.

2. You are playing (usually) in a band mix, as a member of a band, in what is usually a pretty loud venue with untold extraneous background noise going on.

3. A large percentage of the audience is there to knock back a few beers, hit on cuties and hang with friends.

4. The people who ARE there primarily for the music are there to have a good time and listen to the band play songs. They aren't wrapped up in your "awesome bass tone, duuude."

5. 99% of most any audience doesn't know or care whether you are playing a $200 plywood Chinese cheapo or a $4000 boutique bass made of unobtanium, unicorn horn and rare, ancient magical wood from the tone-tone tree. And they still wouldn't know or care if you tried to point it out to them.

All that said, having an instrument that YOU like and playing it through YOUR rig can definitely help with comfort and confidence, etc. in playing live. You should play what you like and enjoy.

But today, with really nuanced EQ, modelers, all manner of effects pedals, not to mention good ol' amp and onboard vol/tone knobs, and also not to mention your own style of playing--the way you attack, fingers vs. picks, etc., etc. you really can make the $200 plywood Chinese cheapo sound like pretty much anything you want it to.

Yes, I am from the "Indian not the arrow" school of thought.

IMO, the actual instrument you are playing--including the name on the headstock, the country of manufacture, the price tag and even the component parts--type of wood, composition of hardware, etc. is the LEAST important thing about playing.

It's one thing if we are talking about playing solo acoustic concerts of Bach transcriptions in famous halls and cathedrals around the globe. In that case, I'd say wood, composition, etc. definitely CAN impact "tone."

But with (generally mass produced) electrified chunks of wood and wires being played through amps with bob-knows-what in the signal chain? Not so much.

I believe a person playing multiple instruments of this kind in multiple styles through different equipment can, yes, detect differences in tone. But in a live band situation? Meh.
 
Norm Stockton once told the audience at a workshop that you will be hired, on a recording gig, because of your tone.
...or not hired because of your tone.

Back in the day, in almost every Will Lee magazine interview, he recounts the time (although he was a member of Billy Cobham's "band") he was not hired for the now-seminal '70s Fusion album Spectrum because of his poor tone.
At this time, Lee was playing a modified P-bass with about 8 pickups.

Can you imagine Stanley Clarke playing a Gibson bass on those RTF & solo albums?
Thankfully, the guys from Alembic came to the rescue.

FME, good tone/sound/mix always = a better performance.
YMMV...
 
You still wear a tie?! :D

I have a career in radiology to support my bass habit and meaningless, endless futzing with my gear; I wear a tie on most days at the office. In my experience, when brandishing a needle destined for somewhere deep inside someone, that person usually feels a tad less anxious if it's apparent I have left no detail unattended:D.
 
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Ties...blech. I'll wear a tie to a job interview. That is IT.
The job I'm at now is the first time in my career in IT that I did not wear a tie to the interview.

When I travelled the country doing sales and training about a decade ago (out of Seattle) I had a rule: The farther east I'm going, the more ties I pack.

Now it's business casual but with jeans every day. The young guys in the attorney's office next door wear suits. You can see them sizing me up by my clothes when we meet in the elevator or in the hall. I just sorta grin and chuckle inside.
 
If someone is critical of my tone, I turn up. Actually turning up the bass volume usually sorts most band mix issues IMO.

More volume is the answer. You can't have more tone - it doesn't make sense.

Davo
 
This is obviously a troll's invite down the rabbit hole- and I applaud the many fine bassists who have explained their beliefs without taking the bait.

People might not applaud your tone when it is warm/consonant and appropriate to the style of music- but they can certainly notice when it is jive.

Much like not noticing the bass until we miss a note or drop the bomb late/early....

I'm definitely coming to grips with the difference between what sounds great in my living room vs. the stage and learning to focus more on the creative/physical factors that make me a better player.

My tone is in my heart and hands- my instruments and amplification and simply a "necessary evil" and potential point of failure that I will do my very best to make reliable and robust until we figure a means by which I can get on stage and make people wiggle and bump with the powers of my Soul's intention.
 
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