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Not sure how to feel about this...

I’m not paranoid, I’m realistic. I’ve learned that *any* band situation could spontaneously combust at *any* time. I’ve been the one lied to, and I’ve seen other people being lied to by crappy band leaders.

I don’t expect most musicians to betray my trust, but I am no longer surprised if they do. Much like politicians.
 
The band I play with will sometimes have rehearsals specifically to work on vocals and harmonies.
When we do that, we only set up the rehearsal with those required to be present.
The members that don't need to be there aren't even informed about it.

It's not that we don't like or want those members there, but we are just focusing on the one thing.
If all members turn up, it becomes a full-blown band rehearsal.
 
OK, I’ll be that guy. This doesn’t pass the smell test for me. They were “just working on vocals,” but they invited the new drummer? If my band was getting together to work on stuff without even telling me, it would be a red flag. Like you, I would expect a thorough explanation for why they thought I wouldn’t want to be involved. I would certainly bring it up at the next rehearsal and put it to bed one way or another.
 
lol... i hope for your sake your not, but i think your being niave to deny that since they originally asked you to join cause they couldn't find someone that theres no way they are looking elsewhere. If they asked you to jam or audition someone and you were busy.. or even if it was just 1 person who had a friend who just felt them out and other band members were missing id say think nothing of it.. not even asking you.. but getting the rest of the band to come out is not normal... they were intentionally excluding you.

As a few have mentioned my guess is:
1) The drummer has a bassist friend and they are a package deal (or he at least wants to be so they gave him a shot).
2) Them asking you to join cause they couldn't find anything in my mind isn't a check in the pro column... to me it could mean that they don't really get along with you and there is potentially a different option other than just last resort they are exploring.... I'm not saying your not a nice guy (i dont know you) and talented.. but its possible they aren't clicking with you and have kept you around because its either the default option of whats available or no gigs.

I know thats a poopy thought to put in your head but me being a cynical person thats where my head is going... especially if they are specifically renaming the band and looking for new members... it would be pretty convenient timing with ads being posted to look for another bass player at the same time in the restructure... especially since if your an official member shouldn't you have a say on who they are auditioning or inviting for membership either way?

Its poopy but we did this with our drummer.. hes very uncomitted and hes flakey as hell... but when we started looking for another drummer we didn't tell him because we weren't sure how hard it would be to find a replacement or if another drummer would be show ready in time... there was zero advantage to telling our Drummer that were unhappy with his commitment and were looking- We did 2 auditions, they didn't work out.. he still doesn't know they ever even happened.

1) he says screw you guys and we have no drummer - and if we cant find a replacement were shaged for our gigs.
2) he gets a fire lit under his butt(unlikely) and improves... but now hes always going to know we were almost going to kick him out and talk behind his back. Its like a relationship where they cheat... even if you forgive, its never the same.


Lastly my advice to you - which is against what other people are saying... i wouldn't bring it up. I would take a second and just reflect on your interactions with the members or disagreements youve had with them or if you think you may sometimes come off as pushy or difficult to collaborate with and perhaps change those attitudes and habits if possible. I say this because if they are looking and find someone thats a better fit your likely gone either way... if they have a problem with you and they are looking IMO, you telling them that your upset they practiced without you and all that will probbably make them more irritated or consider you high maintence or controlling if they already secretly have issues with that type of thing in their opinion of you.

Best of luck!
 
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Meh don’t worry. Either they truthfully didn’t think they needed the bass or you’re about to be poopcanned. No point in being concerned either way, you’ll find out soon enough if it was bad news so no reason marinating in possibilities in the mean time.
I’ve seen bands practice without bassists plenty, I’ve been the bass player told I wasnt needed because bass is harder to find a practice space for or they just didn’t need me and it wasn’t social.
Or they think they are the boss so their ego needed “new employee training” to be around someone who won’t make it obvious they’re not in charge of anybody.
 
I’ve been through various amounts of drama with my current band, from expecting too much input to being given too much responsibility for certain things, to fighting with the band leader to being taken off backing vocals, and more. We broke up prior to COVID but got back together after the lockdowns were over, and I decided if I was going to do it again my attitude was going to be “I just work here” since it’s the guitarist and the singer’s baby. They write everything and started out as a duo. Heck I want even originally supposed to be in the band, I just agreed to play on their first CD. And then… well, I knew all the parts so I stayed.

I just work here. Doesn’t mean I can’t be professional or excellent or help in other ways (we rehearse at my house). But I just work here. I even told the BL/guitarist that when we started recording the new EP and I said I couldn’t contribute financially since I just work here.

Anyway—that mantra really helped shape up my attitude around the band and I actually enjoy it again!
 
If I know my parts I'd be happy to not have tio rehearse.
Also.. if they want to focus on bringing new people up to speed, having fewer people there is probably a good thing.

That said... it'S better to be toldÄ you won't have to be there but come if you want to'...
 
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Which sets a new dynamic which is possibly 'unhelpful'.

The OP will need to reconcile this possible new state of the band relationships.
But if the new drummer is now on your side, maybe the threat has lessened...hopefully.
 
You were gifted not having to rehearse stuff you already know with people learning the material. Sounds ideal to me. Good on you for discussing on a forum. If your brain goes to a negative space when you think about such manners, good not to head upstairs alone. Still got a band and gigs. No worries! Take that nervous energy and jump into seeing how you might be able to help Carrie and the hubby fight that battle.
 
1. When in doubt, always assume the best of people.
2. Always be as kind as possible even if you feel someone doesn't deserve it.
3. Remember that silence speaks louder than any hurtful thing you can say.
4. Epitomize the phrase "...like water off a duck's back."
5. No matter how tempting it is to talk about your feelings, let that remain a mystery.
6. You don't owe anyone an explanation for your actions. Don't expect that from others.
7. Just play the bass and be damn good at it.

If you master these traits no one will ever dare replace you. And if they do, they are insane and you are lucky to be free.
 
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my guess is the departing members were the leaders of the group. now that they are gone, it seems like other band members are starting to take on that role and make band decisions. in this case that seems to be organizing things to get a drummer into the group and new singers up to speed. but i can't speculate why they would leave their bass player out of that process or even out of the overall communication. it does kind of sound like there was no agreement as to who is "in charge" of the band.

I think as to whether this is bad form or not depends on the overall band dynamic. if the dynamic is that you are all in this as a team to run and move the band forward, then you really should had been included IMO. if the dynamic is a bit more loose and less of a cohesive team mission, then i can see why you might not be included in all band activities.

That is really what has happened. With Carie and Albert stepping away (they were very much the band leaders), it has fallen to the keys player and his wife. I like everyone in the band and we have all talked about how close we all are and how we are like a family. A text between the original members that remain (keys, backup vocal (key's wife), guitarist and myself) acknowledged that we had something super special with Carie and Albert and now it feels like it is gone, and that what we had felt like family.

Yeah, and I didn't like it either. Bands are emotional things, like family. If I'm not at least told what's going on, it makes me feel like an outsider.

I have had a lot of times in my life where I was a part of something and then I was the one constantly being left out of things. So there is a history of that with me and while at some level I don't care, when I have worked hard to get where I am with this group, to be left out after this major blow to our group with losing Carie and Albert does make me feel like I'm not as much a part of the group as I thought I was.

lol... i hope for your sake your not, but i think your being niave to deny that since they originally asked you to join cause they couldn't find someone that theres no way they are looking elsewhere. If they asked you to jam or audition someone and you were busy.. or even if it was just 1 person who had a friend who just felt them out and other band members were missing id say think nothing of it.. not even asking you.. but getting the rest of the band to come out is not normal... they were intentionally excluding you.

As a few have mentioned my guess is:
1) The drummer has a bassist friend and they are a package deal (or he at least wants to be so they gave him a shot).
2) Them asking you to join cause they couldn't find anything in my mind isn't a check in the pro column... to me it could mean that they don't really get along with you and there is potentially a different option other than just last resort they are exploring.... I'm not saying your not a nice guy (i dont know you) and talented.. but its possible they aren't clicking with you and have kept you around because its either the default option of whats available or no gigs.

I know thats a poopy thought to put in your head but me being a cynical person thats where my head is going... especially if they are specifically renaming the band and looking for new members... it would be pretty convenient timing with ads being posted to look for another bass player at the same time in the restructure... especially since if your an official member shouldn't you have a say on who they are auditioning or inviting for membership either way?

Its poopy but we did this with our drummer.. hes very uncomitted and hes flakey as hell... but when we started looking for another drummer we didn't tell him because we weren't sure how hard it would be to find a replacement or if another drummer would be show ready in time... there was zero advantage to telling our Drummer that were unhappy with his commitment and were looking- We did 2 auditions, they didn't work out.. he still doesn't know they ever even happened.

1) he says screw you guys and we have no drummer - and if we cant find a replacement were shaged for our gigs.
2) he gets a fire lit under his butt(unlikely) and improves... but now hes always going to know we were almost going to kick him out and talk behind his back. Its like a relationship where they cheat... even if you forgive, its never the same.


Lastly my advice to you - which is against what other people are saying... i wouldn't bring it up. I would take a second and just reflect on your interactions with the members or disagreements youve had with them or if you think you may sometimes come off as pushy or difficult to collaborate with and perhaps change those attitudes and habits if possible. I say this because if they are looking and find someone thats a better fit your likely gone either way... if they have a problem with you and they are looking IMO, you telling them that your upset they practiced without you and all that will probbably make them more irritated or consider you high maintence or controlling if they already secretly have issues with that type of thing in their opinion of you.

Best of luck!

It's a long story of how I came into the group. I don't know how many other bassists they auditioned, but I know that there was one guy before me that was a lot younger than the rest of us and he left because he wanted to have more time with his family as he had young kids. I do know that they have never seemed to have an issue with me or my playing. I got the position after my audition, on the spot. There was no discussion amongst them, they all just kind of looked at me and said it was mine if I wanted it.

As I said above, I have a history of being left out of things and it always rankles with me. When I was 16 I made a conscious decision to not care what anyone thinks of me and that was one of the most liberating decisions of my life. I really don't care what they think of me. What I DO care about is being strung along and toyed with. That really ticks me off, so if that is what is happening, I'm not above walking away, as I have done that before with a previous group.

I have always held that a band is a lot harder to maintain than a marriage. A good marriage has great communication between the two spouses, and to be honest, that is why my marriage is so freaking spectacular. We don't fight. We might have some discussions with a little heat, but no shouting, not knock down drag out fights. I pride myself on my communications skills, but as you know, it only works if both sides are committed to being that way.

We have a gig tonight and I do plan to ask what the future of this group is and whether or not they plan to keep me as a part of it. I plan to acknowledge that they know a lot of people in the music scene in this area and may know bassists that are technically 'better' than me, but that I am still fully committed to being a part of this group and taking it to the next incarnation, whatever that incarnation looks like. They've never, in the past, given me a reason to doubt them, but this whole thing of leaving me out has not exactly made me feel like I'm part of their plans for the future, and I plan to tell them that.

For those who have said something about how they'd be fine with not having to hash through breaking in new members, please understand that music is therapy for me. I wouldn't care if I had to play the verse of a song 50 times over just for one member to 'get' their part down. The music is how I destress from a crappy week at work (and there have been more and more of those here lately).

The being left out of the practices and the fact that there was a communication blackout since our last gig in February just makes me feel like I'm not as important as their words have said in the past. It may just be me. Maybe I'm just being neurotic and paranoid. I don't know. What I do know is that I love playing this music with THESE people.

Guess I will find out tonight.
 
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Interesting. I'd be sus. :cautious:


Here's My Opinion, hopefully not too harsh:

1. If they were trying out a potential new drummer, it would be best if EVERYONE was there. (especially the bassist). (don't YOU get a say in whether or not they hire this guy/Gal?)

2. WHATEVER they were doing (if they "didn't require you to show up"), You should have been told that,
a). there was a practice/tryout.
b). you didn't need to be there.

3. The only times that I've EVER seen/heard of a band get together to practice WITHOUT TELLING a "Particular Member", is when the band is trying out/auditioning someone to REPLACE said "Particular Member".

This is just my opinion, but is based on some actual experiences, with a lil "logic" sprinkled in.

OR, maybe I'm paranoid?:wideyed:


Good luck, please let us know how it unfolds.

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Then the news dropped: she has stage 4 renal cancer. So her and her husband (our drummer) stepped out just before the 2nd show in February so that they could gear up for the fight ahead.

Ugh, that’s awful. I had renal cancer but it was caught early and handled with a single surgery. Recovery from that surgery was certainly no fun, but at least it was all I had to endure. Stage 4 is going to be a pretty awful thing to deal with. I wish her the best.
 
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Our band got started in August of 2022 and we had our first gig that November. In 2023 we hit our goal of at least one gig per month (13 total). In December, we took the whole month off for holidays and then at the end of the month, our lead vocalist got sick and was unable to do our shows in January and February (3 total). So we had two subs come in to do her lead parts.

Then the news dropped: she has stage 4 renal cancer. So her and her husband (our drummer) stepped out just before the 2nd show in February so that they could gear up for the fight ahead.

The 2nd show in February was kind of scary for me as we had a drummer come in that had not rehearsed with us and just sat down to play a kit that wasn't even his. It was actually a wonderfully pleasant surprise and he even complimented my playing and that I kept him where he was supposed to be.

After the show, the main members of the band discussed the future and agreed that we would continue on but would likely change the name of the band (current band name is Carie's Revenge...and Carie was our lead vocalist.)

We have two gigs this month and we are still going in as Carie's Revenge, but will change after that.

So here's where I'm at a loss. We haven't played together since the gig on February 23rd and we had a practice last night to run through stuff for our gig this Friday. However, when I showed up, it didn't take long to find out that the rest of the band has been meeting without me with a new drummer. They played it off like it was no big deal and that they were working to get the two vocalists up to where we need them and to learn the proper parts. (During a break, though, the lead guitarist praised me saying, "Man, you didn't lose ANYTHING during the extended time off!" I thanked him and said that even though I wasn't at any of their rehearsals, I was still practicing my parts at home.)

I am not a drama person. But I am kind of hurt that they left me out of those practices, especially since I am the one that has to lock in with the drummer. I will say, though, that this drummer (not the same one from the gig on 2/23) and I locked in pretty well all night last night, so I'm not worried about that, now. It just really bugs me deep down that they excluded me for those practices.

I feel like I'm completely left out on a lot of things going on right now with this group. I love the music we are doing and they continually act like they definitely want me to stick around, but I feel like I'm getting mixed messages.

Anyone else ever experienced anything like this?

I had a similar experience happen to me long ago, 2nd band I was ever in playing bass. That band booked a gig on a day that I had blocked off as not available. I wasn't told about the gig until it was over, in the same voicemail message that told me I was out and they were keeping all the equipment. It was pretty devastating news since I was pretty good friends with a couple of those guys. A couple of them had stood up in our wedding. I lost a lot of equipment in the deal too, but no paperwork around to prove it.

Anyway, I completely understand why you would be bothered by being left out like that. Based on the rest of your description of the band I'd say there needs to be some heartfelt conversations on how things are handled going forward.

Good luck :thumbsup:
 
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As I have gotten older, I've learned don't worry about the drama in your head until it's actually drama in real life. The human mind tends to go to the negative for whatever reason, and in my life, pretty much without fail, whatever eventually occurred was way less, if at all, what my mind conjured up.
 
Honestly I see it as a big red flag. To exclude someone from a rehearsal with no explanation in advance is sneaky.

Are you not “close” to any of them? Are you just a hired gun or are you part of the band?

You said after Feb show the “main members” discussed the future. How many other members are there that aren’t “main members”?

Not letting you know what was going on and excluding you is treating you like an outsider. If anything the bass player is linked to drummer and any rehearsal you can get in with a new drummer is of great benefit.

My guess is they are either ignorant or trying out a new bass player.
 

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