NPD DSM Noisemaker OmniCabSim

[Dsmnoisemaker]

Daniel,

You mentioned the mid control is at 75% so there’s a little mid scoop going on. Is it reasonable to assume “no punch” would mean the punch is at 0% with its voicing? Thanks for any help.

Ps. I see you mentioned there are some increased mids as the amp gain rolls up. What frequency spectrum do those mids come in or is that too simplistic view to look at it?

Hi there Husky!!
Yes, the punch knob was taken out of the circuit, so it´s in 0

The Gain knob works by limiting the bass and treble progressively as you turn it up, counteracting the scoop, and making the clipping more mid-focused (you don´t want low frequencies clipping or it will fart like an old man after having burritos). This "mid recovery" is very wide, from 300Hz to 2khz and not peaking, more like a wide arc, while still keeping the low and high peaks.

Nice thing to know is how important is power clipping for cleaner/slightly OD tones. But for high gain, it blurs things..I often grin when a metal player say that his tone relies on power amp clipping..yeah right... all high gain amps are practically HiFi power amps and when they clip, its awful..

 

[MTN.bass72]

Just preordered the little guy. Even though I have the big boy, I can’t resist the addition of the amp gain feature.

I'm trying to resist

 

[Johno Dunn]

I'm trying to resist

I’m trying to raise the cash!

 

[Stepdice]

I’m close to pulling the trigger but I’m a bit unsure if it’ll work me. I’ve got a Noble DI that I like to run last in my chain so I’ll probably use the omnicabsim before it, and after my dirt pedals.

I usually run a DI to FOH from the Noble and then the Noble’s 1/4 inch out goes to a combo amp or bigger backline for monitoring. Since I’d be running the omnicabsim before the Noble, the omnicabsim will always be on and therefore running into a backline or combo amp as well as the DI. Would the omnicabsim sound weird going into a combo amp/backline e.g cab sim into a cab. Ideally I’d run into a flat response cab like a Barefaced but that gets a bit costly.

 

[PraiseBassing]

I’m close to pulling the trigger but I’m a bit unsure if it’ll work me. I’ve got a Noble DI that I like to run last in my chain so I’ll probably use the omnicabsim before it, and after my dirt pedals.

I usually run a DI to FOH from the Noble and then the Noble’s 1/4 inch out goes to a combo amp or bigger backline for monitoring. Since I’d be running the omnicabsim before the Noble, the omnicabsim will always be on and therefore running into a backline or combo amp as well as the DI. Would the omnicabsim sound weird going into a combo amp/backline e.g cab sim into a cab. Ideally I’d run into a flat response cab like a Barefaced but that gets a bit costly.

It won’t sound weird, but may sound different than the cabs natural response. At the same time, you could end up tweaking it to where the OCS actually sounds like the C.A.B. you are using.

 

[hbabels]

I’m close to pulling the trigger but I’m a bit unsure if it’ll work me. I’ve got a Noble DI that I like to run last in my chain so I’ll probably use the omnicabsim before it, and after my dirt pedals.

I usually run a DI to FOH from the Noble and then the Noble’s 1/4 inch out goes to a combo amp or bigger backline for monitoring. Since I’d be running the omnicabsim before the Noble, the omnicabsim will always be on and therefore running into a backline or combo amp as well as the DI. Would the omnicabsim sound weird going into a combo amp/backline e.g cab sim into a cab. Ideally I’d run into a flat response cab like a Barefaced but that gets a bit costly.

The Omnicab has a through out with no FX you could run to your amp buy then you wouldn’t get the Noble Sound. Or you could run the Omni Cab Sim last
Use a XLR to 1/4” to the input of Omni Cab sim

It has a good sounding DI

Lastly the Omni Cab Sim won’t make your cabs sound bad. In my experience trying that it could sound really good

 

[Stepdice]

It won’t sound weird, but may sound different than the cabs natural response. At the same time, you could end up tweaking it to where the OCS actually sounds like the C.A.B. you are using.

Oh cool, that’s good to hear that it won’t sound weird and I could definitely try tweaking it to sound like the cab I’m using as you suggested. I guess it could also improve the sound of the cab too?
Any other people running a similar setup?

I’m looking at buying a bigger amp atm, possibly a fender rumble 500 but I’m open to a few options with this cabsim in mind, and what will sound best.

 

[Stepdice]

The Omnicab has a through out with no FX you could run to your amp buy then you wouldn’t get the Noble Sound. Or you could run the Omni Cab Sim last
Use a XLR to 1/4” to the input of Omni Cab sim

It has a good sounding DI

Lastly the Omni Cab Sim won’t make your cabs sound bad. In my experience trying that it could sound really good

Thanks for the input, would I be losing much in DI quality using the omnicabsim as last in the chain compared to the noble?

 

[PraiseBassing]

Oh cool, that’s good to hear that it won’t sound weird and I could definitely try tweaking it to sound like the cab I’m using as you suggested. I guess it could also improve the sound of the cab too?
Any other people running a similar setup?

I’m looking at buying a bigger amp atm, possibly a fender rumble 500 but I’m open to a few options with this cabsim in mind, and what will sound best.

It’s all relative and can only change so much. It won’t take a small cab have a lot of lows, the cab will keep that from happening. It can only change how the cab produces what it already produces, if that makes sense.

I do run it through my GK MB-210 sometimes, and I enjoy it.

 

[Stepdice]

It’s all relative and can only change so much. It won’t take a small cab have a lot of lows, the cab will keep that from happening. It can only change how the cab produces what it already produces, if that makes sense.

I do run it through my GK MB-210 sometimes, and I enjoy it.

Thanks, that makes sense!

I was actually looking at the MB-210 as an amp option but I couldn’t see a way of bypassing the preamp e.g effects return.

 

[PraiseBassing]

Thanks, that makes sense!

I was actually looking at the MB-210 as an amp option but I couldn’t see a way of bypassing the preamp e.g effects return.

Yup, no effects loop. I think that is my only issue with it.

 

[Dsmnoisemaker]

Derek Frank uses a Noble into an Omnicabsim, and it works really well for him. Don´t worry about it ruining the magic of the noble.

 

[MTN.bass72]

Oh cool, that’s good to hear that it won’t sound weird and I could definitely try tweaking it to sound like the cab I’m using as you suggested. I guess it could also improve the sound of the cab too?
Any other people running a similar setup?

I’m looking at buying a bigger amp atm, possibly a fender rumble 500 but I’m open to a few options with this cabsim in mind, and what will sound best.

I used to have a Noble, two actually, and the OCSD.. never ran them together though... as for cabs, I'm running the OCSD through a Carvin DCML1000L to a Fearless F112... it's a wonderful thing my friend

 

[ExaltBass]

I’m close to pulling the trigger but I’m a bit unsure if it’ll work me. I’ve got a Noble DI that I like to run last in my chain so I’ll probably use the omnicabsim before it, and after my dirt pedals.

I usually run a DI to FOH from the Noble and then the Noble’s 1/4 inch out goes to a combo amp or bigger backline for monitoring. Since I’d be running the omnicabsim before the Noble, the omnicabsim will always be on and therefore running into a backline or combo amp as well as the DI. Would the omnicabsim sound weird going into a combo amp/backline e.g cab sim into a cab. Ideally I’d run into a flat response cab like a Barefaced but that gets a bit costly.

I run my OCSD before my Noble, and direct to FOH or amp from the Noble, depending on circumstances. Occasionally both DI and amp. I also will sometimes only engage the OCSD for certain songs, or run it always-on. All good.

 

[Stepdice]

Thanks for the helpful replies! Looks like I can’t go wrong with the Cab Sim before or after the Noble. I feel like a pre order for the mini is almost inevitable.

 

[Stepdice]

I used to have a Noble, two actually, and the OCSD.. never ran them together though... as for cabs, I'm running the OCSD through a Carvin DCML1000L to a Fearless F112... it's a wonderful thing my friend

Damn, that sounds like a nice rig. Any reason why you never ran the Noble and OCSD together?

 

[MTN.bass72]

Damn, that sounds like a nice rig. Any reason why you never ran the Noble and OCSD together?

It absolutely without a doubt was an amazing rig... the first Noble was sold to help fund eye surgery... the second was sold just recently to fund transmission work for my work vehicle.. I won't lie I LOVE a Noble, maybe I'll get another one day...BUT, my Cali76 cb, mThumpinator and OCSD is giving me everything that I need in spades... and I'm ok with that ..

At one point I had two.. one for bass, one for electric guitar.. the OCSD is outstanding with both... next week I'm gonna run acoustic guitar through it

 

[Rayjay]

I’m close to pulling the trigger but I’m a bit unsure if it’ll work me. I’ve got a Noble DI that I like to run last in my chain so I’ll probably use the omnicabsim before it, and after my dirt pedals.

I usually run a DI to FOH from the Noble and then the Noble’s 1/4 inch out goes to a combo amp or bigger backline for monitoring. Since I’d be running the omnicabsim before the Noble, the omnicabsim will always be on and therefore running into a backline or combo amp as well as the DI. Would the omnicabsim sound weird going into a combo amp/backline e.g cab sim into a cab. Ideally I’d run into a flat response cab like a Barefaced but that gets a bit costly.

I run my OCSD into Noble, but I only use the Noble XLR out since we have a silent stage.

You could go OCSD AFTER the Noble - run the 1/4" out of the Noble to your amp and get that EQed independently, then you and the soundguy can adjust the OCSD (always on) as needed, using the OCSD DI out. If you're really, really picky, run the 1/4" out of the OCSD to a JDI.

I've never tried this myself - I've often though "if the OCSD is tone magic, imagine that magic applied to a Noble!" but the other side always wins - "use the quality Jensen transformer equipped DI on the Noble!"

 

[Stepdice]

I run my OCSD into Noble, but I only use the Noble XLR out since we have a silent stage.

You could go OCSD AFTER the Noble - run the 1/4" out of the Noble to your amp and get that EQed independently, then you and the soundguy can adjust the OCSD (always on) as needed, using the OCSD DI out. If you're really, really picky, run the 1/4" out of the OCSD to a JDI.

I've never tried this myself - I've often though "if the OCSD is tone magic, imagine that magic applied to a Noble!" but the other side always wins - "use the quality Jensen transformer equipped DI on the Noble!"

Thankfully a second hand Barefaced Super Midget just came up for sale here in NZ so I snapped that up - couldn’t believe my luck. That should hopefully solve my dilemma as an omnicabsim mini running into the noble and then into that cab should sound great since it’s FRFR. Just need to get an amp head or power amp now.

Are you powering the OCSD with your Noble? Any noise issues?

 

[Rayjay]

IMHO the Noble power supply is good for light duty, but ideally I'd have a separate power supply. It's just that I haven't been able to justify the cost and the weight, because it gets the job done just fine. I have a little bit of "chop" in my signal (sounds like a helicopter - goes away when the signal dies - gets faster the louder the signal is), and I suspect the Noble power supply doesn't like at least one of my pedals (or vice versa). Amazing tone, just need to work out those kinks. Also, I only regularly use the Noble and OCSD in one location, and the electric could be the culprit as it's a converted old barn. And, I have an 80s MIT Boss OC-2 in my chain, another suspect.

I used to have an Ictineo in my chain too (clone of the Submarine preamp) and it sounded amazing as well, but it just couldn't make friends with the Noble as there was a light distortion that drove me progressively more nuts as the weeks went on.

(@stephen wright )