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I am looking to move to Barefaced. I am currently using either a Berg NV412 or a Berg ht/ex 112 pair.

I am looking at the two10 as it is reported to give more of a sealed vintage vibe (like the NV412), but concerned one will not cut it for bigger gigs. I also went with the NV412 over the NV610 as the 412 had a better mid sound to my ears, rather than the low mid punch of the 610.

I am running mostly with a Monique/Minnie which has the ability to get a more vintage tone out of even more hi-fi cabs. That is why I am also considering a big twin 2.

Looking for some guidance from those who have used both. Will the two10 be loud enough or will the big twin 2 be vintage enough for me?
 
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speyer said:
Deposit paid for a TWO10.

Now I'm thinking I will pick up a new cab for double bass and Synth etc... basically a versatile "monitor" if you will. Pretty sure the best choice is going to be the G3 BigBaby.
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Just a thought... you could get a pole-mount tophat installed by Alex for $60. That way if you ever got two-- or just wanted to use one-- it could double as PA. Barefaced's PA enclosure is basically a BB2 with a built-in amp. I got a tophat put in my One10 and have found that to be surprisingly useful, although it couldn't act as PA, as a BB2 can. .
 
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Lowgroover2 said:
I am looking to move to Barefaced. I am currently using either a Berg NV412 or a Berg ht/ex 112 pair.

I am looking at the two10 as it is reported to give more of a sealed vintage vibe (like the NV412), but concerned one will not cut it for bigger gigs. I also went with the NV412 over the NV610 as the 412 had a better mid sound to my ears, rather than the low mid punch of the 610.

I am running mostly with a Monique/Minnie which has the ability to get a more vintage tone out of even more hi-fi cabs. That is why I am also considering a big twin 2.

Looking for some guidance from those who have used both. Will the two10 be loud enough or will the big twin 2 be vintage enough for me?
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Why not go for the Four 10? It is still very easy to move and should cover most bigger gigs without a problem.
 
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Tim1 said:
Why not go for the Four 10? It is still very easy to move and should cover most bigger gigs without a problem.
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Hey Tim, have you heard whether or not Barefaced has a cover for the Four10 yet? Last I heard, maybe 3 weeks ago, is that they didn't yet but were working with a vendor to design and manufacture one for them.


The Four10 is not quite as convenient as some cabs to move, not because it is heavy-- it isn't heavy at 49 pounds-- but because it is tall for its footprint and front-weighted due to drivers, so when loaded in the back of my SUV it wants to tip pretty easily. Fortunately, when I put my AmpWedge under it, that balances it better. I got the cloth grill for the One10 and glad I did, but maybe the metal grill for the Four10 might be better. With a 24" x 24" face-- a lot of surface area-- I am a bit concerned about the cloth grill material being vulnerable to puncture. A cover would do a LOT to alleviate that fear.

It also has two recessed side handles which are great and very sturdy, but for one person to lift, you wind up having a wide profile as you carry it-- 2 feet for the cab plus your arms/hands, so the width of doorways is not usually wide enough to just walk through carrying the Four10 wide-ways. It's also hard to open doors carrying it-- you need two hands, unlike a Big Baby or Super Compact etc that you can carry with one hand.

However, a cover would help a lot; and just using a small dolly to move it-- a nice simple collapsible one-- alleviates all those carrying issues. And of course, the AmpWedge for transit that tilts the cab back such that it doesn't want to tip forward when negotiating turns/stops/starts.

It really is a fantastic cabinet, though, and well worth any small inconvenience. It just sounds incredible, so responsive to every little nuance you put into the strings. I love it.
 
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Tim1 said:
Why not go for the Four 10? It is still very easy to move and should cover most bigger gigs without a problem.
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Well to be honest, my 'big cab' needs are currently being met. I really only need two cabs for practicing at home and small gigs and my thought was... one retro for BG and one neutral for DB. That's why I was thinking just a super midget would fit the bill... but man the BB2 looks like it could cover a lot of sonic ground while still being totally portable! tempting indeed.
 
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speyer said:
Well to be honest, my 'big cab' needs are currently being met. I really only need two cabs for practicing at home and small gigs and my thought was... one retro for BG and one neutral for DB. That's why I was thinking just a super midget would fit the bill... but man the BB2 looks like it could cover a lot of sonic ground while still being totally portable! tempting indeed.
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The BB2 is pretty light, but it's just at the line of being "bulky" for me. The SM is a great carry. The SC is pretty good, too. For me, I'll carry the BB2 short distances, but generally put it and my amp on a small folding dolly. To be clear, I'm also handicapped from an injury that makes my left-side arm and leg strength below average. The BB2 extra depth just means it's hard to pop a convenient handle location on it for a one handed carry. By contrast, the Two10 is heavier but the dimensions are slightly more compact and I find it more comfortable to walk with. However, the BB2 is a beast and will push plenty of sound. Few cabs can match it in volume per size and weight.
 
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monsterthompson said:
The BB2 is pretty light, but it's just at the line of being "bulky" for me. The SM is a great carry. The SC is pretty good, too. For me, I'll carry the BB2 short distances, but generally put it and my amp on a small folding dolly. To be clear, I'm also handicapped from an injury that makes my left-side arm and leg strength below average. The BB2 extra depth just means it's hard to pop a convenient handle location on it for a one handed carry. By contrast, the Two10 is heavier but the dimensions are slightly more compact and I find it more comfortable to walk with. However, the BB2 is a beast and will push plenty of sound. Few cabs can match it in volume per size and weight.
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If you don't mind re-hashing your opinion and impressions of the SM, which I know are buried back there somewhere, I'd appreciate it. I've been thinking about the SM as a companion to my BB2 and as a stand-alone neutral compact cabinet.

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Plutonium244 said:
If you don't mind re-hashing your opinion and impressions of the SM, which I know are buried back there somewhere, I'd appreciate it. I've been thinking about the SM as a companion to my BB2 and as a stand-alone neutral compact cabinet.

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It is really a mini BB2. I didn't spend much time with them side by side, but the feel and sound pretty similar. The BB2 is just bigger in the lows and gets a bunch louder. I think at lower volumes, I'd take the SM over the BB2 because it feels a bight tighter in response, and almost like it has a touch of lively compression to it (perhaps having to do with the cab volume and air flow). Perhaps that feel is just result of not having the low extension of the bigger box so the two cabs are the same but you don't have the extended lows presenting for a comparison (maybe a bit like an HPF effect). If the SM had been as loud as the SC, I'd have kept it. I mentioned above that I still consider getting silly and getting two SM cabs to replace the BB2. I actually just quit my project where I was using the BB2 the most, so who knows.
 
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monsterthompson said:
It is really a mini BB2. I didn't spend much time with them side by side, but the feel and sound pretty similar. The BB2 is just bigger in the lows and gets a bunch louder. I think at lower volumes, I'd take the SM over the BB2 because it feels a bight tighter in response, and almost like it has a touch of lively compression to it (perhaps having to do with the cab volume and air flow). Perhaps that feel is just result of not having the low extension of the bigger box so the two cabs are the same but you don't have the extended lows presenting for a comparison (maybe a bit like an HPF effect). If the SM had been as loud as the SC, I'd have kept it. I mentioned above that I still consider getting silly and getting two SM cabs to replace the BB2. I actually just quit my project where I was using the BB2 the most, so who knows.
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Thank you. Seems like it is a bit of a forgotten cab since it's kind of a BB2 Junior. The BB2, SC, (or Big/Super Twin) and Two10 are the most common choices. I don't know but somehow I bet the SM is a good DB cab as well.
 
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Plutonium244 said:
Hey Tim, have you heard whether or not Barefaced has a cover for the Four10 yet? Last I heard, maybe 3 weeks ago, is that they didn't yet but were working with a vendor to design and manufacture one for them.


The Four10 is not quite as convenient as some cabs to move, not because it is heavy-- it isn't heavy at 49 pounds-- but because it is tall for its footprint and front-weighted due to drivers, so when loaded in the back of my SUV it wants to tip pretty easily. Fortunately, when I put my AmpWedge under it, that balances it better. I got the cloth grill for the One10 and glad I did, but maybe the metal grill for the Four10 might be better. With a 24" x 24" face-- a lot of surface area-- I am a bit concerned about the cloth grill material being vulnerable to puncture. A cover would do a LOT to alleviate that fear.

It also has two recessed side handles which are great and very sturdy, but for one person to lift, you wind up having a wide profile as you carry it-- 2 feet for the cab plus your arms/hands, so the width of doorways is not usually wide enough to just walk through carrying the Four10 wide-ways. It's also hard to open doors carrying it-- you need two hands, unlike a Big Baby or Super Compact etc that you can carry with one hand.

However, a cover would help a lot; and just using a small dolly to move it-- a nice simple collapsible one-- alleviates all those carrying issues. And of course, the AmpWedge for transit that tilts the cab back such that it doesn't want to tip forward when negotiating turns/stops/starts.

It really is a fantastic cabinet, though, and well worth any small inconvenience. It just sounds incredible, so responsive to every little nuance you put into the strings. I love it.
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Hi Pluto, I had a cover made locally as soon as I received my Four 10. A kiwi company, Sundown covers, do a great job and send them all over the world. It is a simple drop over padded cover and is a perfect fit. I am very pleased I ended up with the metal grill, it does look great especially since I am not sure about the aesthetics of the white stripe and the thin sides (purely my subjective opinion, of course). One advantage of the metal grill is that it is very solid so I can lift from the front rather than the back if I wish, which seems to be a little more comfortable. I have certainly found it to be a very easy and light carry, certainly easier than any of my other cabs except the Ampeg 210AVs.
I have written to Alex asking him about the cost of an extra four ohm crossover plate with the Two 10, since I am considering getting a 12 ohm Two 10 to sit on the Four 10 should I ever need extra. However, all this talk about the BB2 is tempting, I am so impressed with the Four 10 my curiosity is piqued. Has anyone used a BB2 with an all-tube head?
 

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