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Hey folks... I'm thinking about trying a Barefaced cab and looking here for suggestions. I'm a longtime Bergantino user and currently have a CN210 (sold my CN212 a while back.) I also have a BagEnd S15 stack that I have been using lately because my tone goals have gone a bit 'retro' and the stack was only $400. I have been really enjoying the tweeterless BE's (and the Bergs) but they do leave a few things to be desired IMO. That said, I'm very interested in the BF TWO10. I have read the BGmag review but I'm having a hard time finding any other info from folks that are using this cab. I was hoping some people here could share their experiences? :)

Any thoughts on how the TWO10 would compare to my CN210 in tone and output? I am using all-tube heads for all my playing - Mesa prodigy, Ashdown LB-30 and a CTM15. I am thinking that I could really benefit from a cab that would match up well with my tube heads with less EQing - cutting highs or turning tweeters down etc. to get a good punchy 'recorded bass' type of tone. The CN210 is a nice cab though a bit 'pretty' sounding for my needs and I am finding the BE's a bit veiled up-top and down low with my Nordy VPJ 5. o_O

Anyhow, Thanks in advance!:thumbsup:
 
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I should also mention... I am interested in a Super Twin to replace my giging rig as well. I have tried some 12-6 cabs in the past (Baer,LDS) and was not a huge fan of the overly 'hyped' midrange tone I was getting. Can anyone tell be what to expect from the Super Twin tone wise? Is it fairly mellow/neutral sounding but just slamming loud? How would it sound compared to a CN212 in terms of cabinet tone?
 
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lomo said:
tallboy -don't be afraid to spin those eq knobs. I usually add bass and cut mids with my One10.
Remember-it weighs FIFTEEN pounds.
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This x10. Okay, realistically, this x3.5.

Opinions are worth what you pay for them and here's mine:

I concur with lomo. I'd suggest being more drastic with the EQ than you might normally with a larger cab, the cab will take it, including boosted bass. Tweak until it sounds right to you. If you're using MBF800 etc, you can use the contour knob to good effect-- normally I leave contour completely off.

It does need about 2 gigs to open up fully, I'd say. IMO mostly what you lose is some of that midrange tightness/prominence, and gains some bass I think, as the excursion range increases a little as it loosens up, but I am not an acoustic engineer by any means. And yes, almost nothing like the Big Twin etc, the drivers different sized and are designed to be two different things. I can see how it would be a little bit of a shock if you were going into it expecting the One10 to sound like a ST. It is its own thing.

But, once you get used to what the One10 is/does in its own right, you might warm up to it. I think they (10's and 12's drivers by BF) both sound great (I have a One10, Four 10, and Big Baby 2). These days I typically use an MB Fusion 800 (which you are also using) with the Four10 and a MB200 or TH350 with the One10. I haven't tried the MBF800 with the One10 so I can't at this point specifically address that combo, it just seemed like overkill in ampage, I guess.

I think it's true of a lot of cabs-- a single can sound more middy than multiples before EQ. The Four10 isn't middy at all; the One10 I cut mids more than I would using the Four10 or BB2. I was just talking with someone yesterday about this phenomena regarding Aguilar SL-112 cabs-- one sounds middy until EQ'd, two sound balanced. But this is neither hear nor there.

It'll work out all right for you no matter what though. You are going to put it through its paces and see if it blossoms for you; maybe it does and maybe it doesn't. I'd guess you'll come to love it --you would not be the first person to say "I'm not sure" the first day, and " I love it" a week later. But everyone has a different taste and needs, so if it doesn't work out, you can sell it without too much trouble here on TB classifieds, or so history would suggest. Either way, good luck with the journey, tallboy.
 
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speyer said:
Hey folks... I'm thinking about trying a Barefaced cab and looking here for suggestions. I'm a longtime Bergantino user and currently have a CN210 (sold my CN212 a while back.) I also have a BagEnd S15 stack that I have been using lately because my tone goals have gone a bit 'retro' and the stack was only $400. I have been really enjoying the tweeterless BE's (and the Bergs) but they do leave a few things to be desired IMO. That said, I'm very interested in the BF TWO10. I have read the BGmag review but I'm having a hard time finding any other info from folks that are using this cab. I was hoping some people here could share their experiences? :)

Any thoughts on how the TWO10 would compare to my CN210 in tone and output? I am using all-tube heads for all my playing - Mesa prodigy, Ashdown LB-30 and a CTM15. I am thinking that I could really benefit from a cab that would match up well with my tube heads with less EQing - cutting highs or turning tweeters down etc. to get a good punchy 'recorded bass' type of tone. The CN210 is a nice cab though a bit 'pretty' sounding for my needs and I am finding the BE's a bit veiled up-top and down low with my Nordy VPJ 5. o_O

Anyhow, Thanks in advance!:thumbsup:
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I don't have a Two10 so I can't help you there, but you mentioned your tubes amps-- in case you aren't already aware, Tom Bowlus did a review of the Two10 in Bass Gear Magazine in which he said that he thought the most surprising and excellent thing about his experience reviewing the Two10 is how "the magic begins" when you power it with an all-tube amp.
 
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lomo said:
tallboy -don't be afraid to spin those eq knobs. I usually add bass and cut mids with my One10.
Remember-it weighs FIFTEEN pounds.
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I was spinning EQ knobs like crazy on this FIFTEEN POUND wonder cab!!

This was just a preliminary test and should be regarded as such. As it opens up and starts to really do what it is capable of, I'll report back.

The SuperTwin I immediately and deeply fell in love with...no doubt about it, so I'm a little surprised, that's all. It reset my expectations upward for what a speaker cab can do.

And yes, the Contour knob got a workout...I have never used it before but it was a 'must' for this cab!

I need to go weigh this thing...;)
 
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speyer said:
Hey folks... I'm thinking about trying a Barefaced cab and looking here for suggestions. I'm a longtime Bergantino user and currently have a CN210 (sold my CN212 a while back.) I also have a BagEnd S15 stack that I have been using lately because my tone goals have gone a bit 'retro' and the stack was only $400. I have been really enjoying the tweeterless BE's (and the Bergs) but they do leave a few things to be desired IMO. That said, I'm very interested in the BF TWO10. I have read the BGmag review but I'm having a hard time finding any other info from folks that are using this cab. I was hoping some people here could share their experiences? :)

Any thoughts on how the TWO10 would compare to my CN210 in tone and output? I am using all-tube heads for all my playing - Mesa prodigy, Ashdown LB-30 and a CTM15. I am thinking that I could really benefit from a cab that would match up well with my tube heads with less EQing - cutting highs or turning tweeters down etc. to get a good punchy 'recorded bass' type of tone. The CN210 is a nice cab though a bit 'pretty' sounding for my needs and I am finding the BE's a bit veiled up-top and down low with my Nordy VPJ 5. o_O

Anyhow, Thanks in advance!:thumbsup:
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The CN210 is going to be more extended up high and more open sounding, but the Two10 is going to have more focus and punch - especially with tube heads. If you are cutting highs and turning down tweeters, then you are already steering your CN210 towards Two10 territory. The CN210 is an excellent cab, and it's pretty versatile. But if you like punchy, "recorded bass" tone, and you are using all-tube heads, I think you'd be even more happy with the Two10.
 
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tombowlus said:
The CN210 is going to be more extended up high and more open sounding, but the Two10 is going to have more focus and punch - especially with tube heads. If you are cutting highs and turning down tweeters, then you are already steering your CN210 towards Two10 territory. The CN210 is an excellent cab, and it's pretty versatile. But if you like punchy, "recorded bass" tone, and you are using all-tube heads, I think you'd be even more happy with the Two10.
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Thanks for the response Tom! Your description confirms my suspicions and I think I will give the two10 a try. It sounds like it should be real winner for me!
 
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I gave my One10 some 3 hours run at my band practice today. It really opens up the longer you play through it. I noticed some progress after a couple of hours already. Amazing power for the size. My band mates were shocked after they realized that the sound comes from the tiny box from the corner of the room and not from the 410 Hartke cab I usually use At this rehearsal space! They thought it was 410 , oh really? :) amazing cab.
 
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Looks like I'll be ordering another One10 in a while. If one can make that big sound as I proved yesterday at my band practice than two of them will settle all my needs of a portable modular rig. My band is a singer guitarist, a drummer and a percussionist so the guys can make some noise but even in this setup a single One10 was quite enough for a rehearsal, nobody complained about the bass volume. Wow, just wow. The tone character is a different story, it is rough and aggressive, quite "simple" compared to what I used before, but the low end is there and this is all I need for now.
 
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anton72 said:
Looks like I'll be ordering another One10 in a while. If one can make that big sound as I proved yesterday at my band practice than two of them will settle all my needs of a portable modular rig. My band is a singer guitarist, a drummer and a percussionist so the guys can make some noise but even in this setup a single One10 was quite enough for a rehearsal, nobody complained about the bass volume. Wow, just wow. The tone character is a different story, it is rough and aggressive, quite "simple" compared to what I used before, but the low end is there and this is all I need for now.
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You may have said in an earlier post, but out of curiosity, what did you use before that was less simple-sounding?
 
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anton72 said:
Looks like I'll be ordering another One10 in a while. If one can make that big sound as I proved yesterday at my band practice than two of them will settle all my needs of a portable modular rig. My band is a singer guitarist, a drummer and a percussionist so the guys can make some noise but even in this setup a single One10 was quite enough for a rehearsal, nobody complained about the bass volume. Wow, just wow. The tone character is a different story, it is rough and aggressive, quite "simple" compared to what I used before, but the low end is there and this is all I need for now.
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That's a impressive review...how are the mids? And top end? (will it allow you to EQ some 3-5Khz in?)
 
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boristhespider7 said:
That's a impressive review...how are the mids? And top end? (will it allow you to EQ some 3-5Khz in?)
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The mids needs tweaking your amp or bass EQ and the results may be very different. I cut mids on my TH350 to make One10 sound rounder. The lows are more or less stable but the mids is what actually color your tone. I can't see much happening above 5Khz with One10 so it's more low and mid-heavy speaker. It definately colors your tone, not a hi-fi flat response speaker. I hope it will sound a bit smoother after it breaks in.
 
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smeet said:
My Four10 is supposed to arrive tomorrow morning, really looking forward to checking it out.

@anton72, by "simple-sounding", do you mean you don't really like the mids of the cab?
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I think Tom Bowlus nailed it earlier when describing the tone of the Two Ten as "punchy, "recorded" bass tone", as this could just as easily describe the Four 10. It is simple inasmuch as it is simple to set up and get a good tone from with minimal amp fiddling. It does have a character as Barefaced states and this character is well suited to sitting easily in a mix and driving a band with good old-fashioned bottom end. It does not lack in overtones, is clear and easy to hear onstage without other band members asking you to turn down. I can imagine someone who does a lot of slapping preferring other cabs in the Barefaced range, but this has all the top end I need for a solid groove and it still retains plenty of definition. I can imagine it being stronger in the bass than a One 10, simply because of the larger cabinet - but then Alex does work wonders with all his designs.
So......give me simple, stupid :thumbsup:
 
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smeet said:
by "simple-sounding", do you mean you don't really like the mids of the cab?
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smeet said:
My Four10 is supposed to arrive tomorrow morning, really looking forward to checking it out.

@anton72, by "simple-sounding", do you mean you don't really like the mids of the cab?
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By simple-sounding I mean that compared to One10 my NY604 cabinet that I am used to sounds like audiophile-grade system with four 6" speakers, compression driver with attenuator and a crossover. It is really "too good" for some situations when you don't need that sort of detail in your tone.
 
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Tim1 said:
describing the tone of the Two Ten as "punchy, "recorded" bass tone",
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I believe that regardless of using the same 10" drivers the Two10 and One10 are different animals. Note that Two10 has two differently voiced drivers, as described in a demo video. I would not describe One10 as "recorded" bass tone but the opposite, rather a "live setting" bass tone. It is robust, a bit overdriven in the mids and with tamed highs. I listened to Two10 demo and to my ears it sounds more mid-scooped than One10, I think the difference is the enclosure size.
 
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