You folks should hear how THIS combination sounds!
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Official Barefaced Bass Cab Club
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You folks should hear how THIS combination sounds!
Owning a BB2 and a B7K, I'll say that I've yet to find a high gain, or even moderate gain sound that doesn't generate some nasty clipping with the HF driver fully dialed in. Lighter dirt and/or lower HF settings are how you avoid that nasty clipping. Then it's lovely.
Slowly getting through thisthread - but a quick question - What sort of volume situations are you guys managing to use your two10 in successfully?
They just look and sound so damned good I'm wondering if downsizing to a 4 ohm model would serve my relatively low volume purposes well.
They just look and sound so damned good I'm wondering if downsizing to a 4 ohm model would serve my relatively low volume purposes well.
I got 4 ohm Two10 volume levels comparable to an 8 ohm Super Compact with my 800w Demeter head. It got pretty loud, like ear plug loud, with a guit/vox/key/bass indi rock group in a rehearsal space. If you aren't playing outdoor venues or trying to fill big rooms without PA support, you'd probably be fine. Depending on how low your low w volume is, you could get away with a One10 and a decent amp.
Well, if you have a One 10 please tell me more about it. Since my last posting, I've given some serious thought to getting a BF cab and the One 10 is the only one that I have any interest in. Here's why:
I already have two Mesa Subway 115's that aren't going anywhere. I've already bought them, they sound amazing, I love them. I don't need a cabinet similar to these sizewise or soundwise. Looking at the Super Midget and Super Compact, there is not enough size/weight difference for me to justify adding those. The One 10 is tiny, and the price is right. So right that I might would add a second One 10 later.
When I just need something small right now my 'small' setup is a single Subway 112. I like it, but I find I miss the basic tone of the 115 when I use the 112. The 115 is much deeper and clearer while the 112 is more boxy and low mid sounding. Basically I'd love to have the basic tone of the Mesa 115 in a tiny package like the One 10 for when I only need a small/low powered setup...like at home or a low volume practice. So what is the basic tone of the One 10? Volume wise I'm not expecting it to match either of the Subway cabs (physics, people!), it's the basic deep/clear tone that I'm after.
Plus, really, who else even makes a 1x10 cab??
I already have two Mesa Subway 115's that aren't going anywhere. I've already bought them, they sound amazing, I love them. I don't need a cabinet similar to these sizewise or soundwise. Looking at the Super Midget and Super Compact, there is not enough size/weight difference for me to justify adding those. The One 10 is tiny, and the price is right. So right that I might would add a second One 10 later.
When I just need something small right now my 'small' setup is a single Subway 112. I like it, but I find I miss the basic tone of the 115 when I use the 112. The 115 is much deeper and clearer while the 112 is more boxy and low mid sounding. Basically I'd love to have the basic tone of the Mesa 115 in a tiny package like the One 10 for when I only need a small/low powered setup...like at home or a low volume practice. So what is the basic tone of the One 10? Volume wise I'm not expecting it to match either of the Subway cabs (physics, people!), it's the basic deep/clear tone that I'm after.
Plus, really, who else even makes a 1x10 cab??
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The One10 is a wonder, but I doubt it will give you lows of your Subway 15 (a cab I have not heard).....it won't even give you lows of a Subway 12 (a cab I used to own). It will give you a ridonculously small cab that can truly handle a coupla hundred watts and will handle some low end eq pushed into it, producing an old school (paper cone distortion) mid-mid punchy sound. I can use one in a trio with "mature" rock drums in a small setting, and my pair is about as loud as an "average 310", if you know what I mean. On another note, I suspect the practical difference in weight and bulk between the SC and Subway 115 may be more than you think.
I've got a Super Midget on order, added the pole mount...loving my BB2!!!
I have the pole-mount tophat on both my One10 and SM, it's a nice option to have, to be able to elevate a small cab. BB2 rocks. BB2 + SM also a thing of beauty! Let me know what you think about the SM alone and with the BB2, when you get it.
As far as @Daniel Piper's question, I'd say "physics, people!" also. I love my One10 and use it alot... as lomo said, it can handle some bass EQ so you can certainly fatten what the "native" tone is, and scoop the low mid-mid if you like. It'll take quite a bit. It's a great cab. One10 tone is a bit more colored and has a low-mid focus (which can be easily adjusted as noted). So, it's not inherently going to sound like your 15" Subway, all by itself and un-EQ'd. (although speaker cone size does not directly determine frequency response).
The SM is a nice mid-ground to consider (though its a price is nearly twice the One10's). I can't say definitely since I don't have a Subway 115 but my guess is you can pretty much get the low end and volume of that Subway cab from a SM, at least quite close. 21 pounds, compact like a small guitar amp, and an easy carry.
No 1x10 cab is going to sound like a 1x15. But, the One10ounds great, and I use it a lot for not-super-loud gigs; but I tend to bring the SM when I am unsure about whether the gig will get loud or if I don't know if the room is large/small, because it's small, can stay quiet like a One10, or get pretty loud like a BB2. Taking the SM and a GK MB200 to a 2-hour happy hour gig this evening. I think the SM better fills a room than a single One10.
Honestly, no one can tell you if any cab will satisfy your particular desires... you have to try it. I CAN tell you, it's a great cabinet with multiple uses. Fortunately, the BF's are popular and you can flip them for close to your paid price if it isn't what you were looking for. And at about $500 it's easily the most affordable BF cab.
I have one and love it for certain applications. I am in two mostly acoustic groups and it is great for carrying to rehearsals or jams. Especially if there are stairs involved. About the size of my old Fender practice combo and probably less weight. Fairly easy to get a good tone, it will take some power and some eq. I usually use my Tonehammer 500 but have also used an older Rumble 150 v2 with good results. I've gigged with it a few times at really small venues but usually tend towards my Berg CN112. I bought it because my Fender combo died and then I got tired of carrying the CN112 up and down stairs to rehearsals. Am glad I did because after ordering it I joined a second band so twice as many lug ins/outs. Tonewise it needs a tad of eq to get solid lows and is not as clear as the CN112 but overall really good. Foe a gig I'll usually pick up the CN112 but for rehearsal at night after along day at the office I really appreciate carrying the One 10! And don't feel like I am sacrificing anything in the process. I don't have any experience with Mesa (shops here are terrible) and I've never used it with drums and a loud guitarist but it fits my needs well. Would love to demo a SC next to my CN.
I recently recruted a guitarist for a new project, and a while later he asked me if I wanted to try out for his new project as well. I did, and found out he asked me for two reasons: he liked my rhythmic feel (always a plus) and he loves my bass tone :-o
I play a Barefaced Super Twin paired with an Orange Terror Bass 500 and a MIA Fender Jazz (Marcus Miller model). I quite like my tone, too, but I never would have dreamed that a guitarist would pay attention
I play a Barefaced Super Twin paired with an Orange Terror Bass 500 and a MIA Fender Jazz (Marcus Miller model). I quite like my tone, too, but I never would have dreamed that a guitarist would pay attention
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New Cab Day! My SM arrived today. It definitely needs some break in but even now I can say it's a beast regarding volume per size. Unbelievable. Someone mentioned that it is kinda not so deep in lows. WHAT?!!! I will definitely need no lower than this. As for the tone I still think I prefer 10" drivers, they are so fat and ballsy. I will try it in a band setting in a while and see how it works. And it stacks really good with One10, both in size and tone.
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I love how the SM makes the One10 look deceptively large.
That's a nice looking micro stack!
That's a nice looking micro stack!
Great info, thanks! Sounds like the One 10 is not going to be able to replace my Subway 12, as it just does a different thing.
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Long story short...I had a chance to A/B my One10 vs Mesa Subway 15 in a local mesa dealer's shop. The head was my Mesa D-800. Mesa Subway 15 can run lower and louder than One10. Full stop. And it's easy, physics of bigger cone and larger box. But the shop owner who was watching my test run told me from these two he'd leave One10 for himself because of the tone. He characterized One10 tone as bold and aggressive regardless of how loud it is.
But the most funny thing was watching his face when I asked him to lift One10 off the floor. He turned to his friend and told him "this can NOT be possible" LOL. Mesa 15 is an excellent big sounding cab for sure. It is very clean and "fast" for 15" driver. One10 is quite mid-forward, very fat (not necessarily low but fat), old school tone. It can take enormous load and EQ, I proved it myself. It easily takes my D800 load (400 Watt @ 4 Ohm) with both gain and master set at 12 which is a LOT for this amp. And One10 is a tonal bliss paired with D800. The only thing I regret now is that I stupidly sold my other one10 to fund SM, which is differrent story.
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I'm running a D-800 with my Super Twin. Love that amp. I've only had one chance to run it at full volume since I got it 3 weeks ago, but I'm very happy. The "true" response of the BF lets me hear how functional the EQ of the Mesa amp really is.
Marty Forrer down here in Hawkes Bay runs a pair of One 10s with great success, Daniel, so you could always contact him if you want to pop down and hear them. I have a Four 10 which is so light and easy to move that I can use it comfortably for just about any gig and still sounds great at low volumes. You are welcome to visit and sample if you are down this way to look at his.
