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Question for you all:

With the Two10/Four10/Six10, only the left vertical column of 10" drivers has treble, for dispersion reasons...

So here's my question: What are the frequencies covered by each of the respective types of drivers? That is, what's the frequency coverage of the non-full-range drivers (where does it top out), and where does the full-range driver top out?

Had the unpleasant sudden realization that at a recording session last night that the enginereer mic'd the wrong driver in my Two10. I'll correct that for part II tonight, but I am a bit mortified about the 3 tracks we cut last night. The little bit I heard on playback sounded okay, but obviously it's not all there spectrum-wise since the wrong driver was mic'd.. Just want to assess the damage and find out how much range I was missing.

Dammit.

TIA.
 
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Plutonium244 said:
Question for you all:

With the Two10/Four10/Six10, only the left vertical column of 10" drivers has treble, for dispersion reasons...

So here's my question: What are the frequencies covered by each of the respective types of drivers? That is, what's the frequency coverage of the non-full-range drivers (where does it top out), and where does the full-range driver top out?

Had the unpleasant sudden realization that at a recording session last night that the enginereer mic'd the wrong driver in my Two10. I'll correct that for part II tonight, but I am a bit mortified about the 3 tracks we cut last night. The little bit I heard on playback sounded okay, but obviously it's not all there spectrum-wise since the wrong driver was mic'd.. Just want to assess the damage and find out how much range I was missing.

Dammit.

TIA.
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Hmm. That's a toughie. Probably going to need @alexclaber to chime in on that.

My only reference point is my Two10.
When I got it used, one of the leads to the driver that delivers the highs had become detached somehow.
It was pretty dark sounding (and not very loud for a Two10 obviously). Alex was very helpful in sorting me with that, I would add.

But yeah, that's a bit unfortunate. Was it a single track/mic'd cab only? No DI?
 
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sears said:
Anyone using a Mesa 400+ or Prodigy with a 2x12? I've got a Super Twin and a fever for the flavor of some tubes. I am assuming they've got enough volume. How does the cab match?
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The SuperTwin Loves Tubes.
1969 Traynor YBA-1A in my case. 90 Watts and it pounds.
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Another cabinet mic'ing question, this one is in a live performance context - What's the best way to mic a BTII or BB2 so we can catch the proper amount of woofer and tweeter? Or is it best to just go DI? I realize they are FRFR cabinets, but I feel like the feeling of "air" created by micing would add to the sound.
 
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sears said:
WANT that looks terrific. Silly but I worry about some of the wider tube heads looking silly across the top of the Super Twin.
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I didn't take measurements of the two (I've had the amp for 30 years) when I picked up the ST but when I got it home and found that they were the same width (and coincidentally a tech had replaced the missing cloth on the amp with Fender cloth instead of Traynor cloth when I had it in for a check up) I was freaking ecstatic about the pairing. Then I plugged it in and lost my mind. It sounds as good as it looks. (Even if the cloth on the amp is a bit wobbly)
I used this rig in rehearsal last week with a five piece R&R band and the 90 Watts was plenty.
 
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smeet said:
Another cabinet mic'ing question, this one is in a live performance context - What's the best way to mic a BTII or BB2 so we can catch the proper amount of woofer and tweeter? Or is it best to just go DI? I realize they are FRFR cabinets, but I feel like the feeling of "air" created by micing would add to the sound.
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Somebody insisted on micing my fr800 at a festival and it didn't sound all that great. Mind you, I've had DI feeds at festivals that didn't sound all that great as well so it may not have been the mic. I'd imagine that you'd want it far enough away to capture both drivers, but that's going to have a lot of bleed. I'm interested as well for the next time.
 
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Jack said:
Somebody insisted on micing my fr800 at a festival and it didn't sound all that great. Mind you, I've had DI feeds at festivals that didn't sound all that great as well so it may not have been the mic. I'd imagine that you'd want it far enough away to capture both drivers, but that's going to have a lot of bleed. I'm interested as well for the next time.
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I've been thinking about this and am considering a dual mic rig with something like an RE-20 or D112 on a LF driver and something like an E609 on the horn. On Stage makes a mic stand for pedalboard users that would hold both mics and be low profile and tuck in close to the cabinet. ANy other thoughts on this?
 
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Lowendtech said:
Hmm. That's a toughie. Probably going to need @alexclaber to chime in on that.

My only reference point is my Two10.
When I got it used, one of the leads to the driver that delivers the highs had become detached somehow.
It was pretty dark sounding (and not very loud for a Two10 obviously). Alex was very helpful in sorting me with that, I would add.

But yeah, that's a bit unfortunate. Was it a single track/mic'd cab only? No DI?
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There was also a DI so it's not so bad. Just not optimal. I like optimal. It'll be properly mic'd tonight but now I am very interested to know about the frequency range of each driver in the sets is...

Was discussing mic'ing cabs with tweeters yesterday, the engineer really does not like separate horn and driver cabs for that reason... hard to capture. If I remember to, I'll ask him what he does in that situation. RE-20 is a great choice for the LF driver (or single driver type cabs). I have no clue about what's a good tweeter mic and how to go about that. If I were uing the BB2 or something, for simplicity I'd probably roll the crossover so that there's nothing in the tweet... but that surrenders getting that horn sound.

How about it, @alexclaber? What are the respective frequency ranges of the two drivers in a Two/Four/Six10? Where does the non-treble array cut off? And whats' the top of the treble array (concentric midrange dome) range?
 
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Stu_Bass said:
I've been thinking about this and am considering a dual mic rig with something like an RE-20 or D112 on a LF driver and something like an E609 on the horn. On Stage makes a mic stand for pedalboard users that would hold both mics and be low profile and tuck in close to the cabinet. ANy other thoughts on this?
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Seems like a hell of a lot of effort to accurately mic a cab that is supposed to be colouring the sound as little as possible. I mean, it's not a sealed, middy SVT. Particularly mine which are DSP corrected to be even more flat than the passive BB2. I'd avoid at all costs, but that's just me. If I had to mic a passive BB2, I'd do what Pluto suggests above: roll the crossover all the way up and mic the woofer like it's a 1-way cabinet.

If I had to mic mine again I'd plead for a DI! :-D
 
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Jack said:
Seems like a hell of a lot of effort to accurately mic a cab that is supposed to be colouring the sound as little as possible. I mean, it's not a sealed, middy SVT. Particularly mine which are DSP corrected to be even more flat than the passive BB2. I'd avoid at all costs, but that's just me. If I had to mic a passive BB2, I'd do what Pluto suggests above: roll the crossover all the way up and mic the woofer like it's a 1-way cabinet.

If I had to mic mine again I'd plead for a DI! :-D
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I could roll the crossover up, but I do like the sound with the crossover almost all the way down (so the tweeter is taking most of the highs). Also, every "flat" cabinet sounds different, even though they are all theoretically flat. I would not use the same eq settings for a fEARful as for a BTII. So while it's a lot closer than an SVT, it still does have some personality I'd like to preserve.

If the audience and sound guy is to be believed, we actually got pretty good results this past weekend with the mic pointing straight at the cabinet, about 3 inches away, about 3/4 of the way up on the top woofer of the BTII (so it got mostly woofer, but some tweeter too).

bonin in the boneyard said:
It's been a long time since I've mic'ed a cab, but I would put my bass on a loop, throw on a pair of headphones, and move the mic around 'til I heard something I liked.
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That's a good idea, I'll do that at home and see what sounds good.
 
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Plutonium244 said:
Question for you all:

With the Two10/Four10/Six10, only the left vertical column of 10" drivers has treble, for dispersion reasons...

So here's my question: What are the frequencies covered by each of the respective types of drivers? That is, what's the frequency coverage of the non-full-range drivers (where does it top out), and where does the full-range driver top out?

Had the unpleasant sudden realization that at a recording session last night that the enginereer mic'd the wrong driver in my Two10. I'll correct that for part II tonight, but I am a bit mortified about the 3 tracks we cut last night. The little bit I heard on playback sounded okay, but obviously it's not all there spectrum-wise since the wrong driver was mic'd.. Just want to assess the damage and find out how much range I was missing.

Dammit.

TIA.
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It'll probably still sound good... but best mic the other driver, yes.
I had a sound engineer mic the 'wrong' speaker at a festival gig once, and I didn't notice until afterwards. I asked and people I trusted said it sounded good (with Mesa D800+ & Stingray). Of course, you can get away with a lot more live than in a recording situation.
 
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Regarding micing, either live, or in the studio - trust your ears! And if you don't trust your ears, find someone whose ears you trust. If it sounds good (in context), then it is good. Remember, we're playing an instrument, not trying to precisely reproduce a pre-recorded sound.

I agree that cabs with tweeters/midrange drivers/HF drivers are more difficult to mic if you want the mic to give you the full range sound and aren't also using a DI in parallel. Live, I wouldn't bother micing the SM/BB2/BT2, you're just going to end up hearing the sound of the mic more than the sound of the cab, and a DI will be much closer to the sound of the cab. In the studio, have fun with it - again, if it sounds good, it is good! If you have enough mics and channels I'd consider DIing, micing one woofer and one tweeter. And if you're isolated, try a room mic. A large diaphragm condenser at the player listening position in a good sounding room can be great with a tight precise accurate cab like a BB2.
 
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alexclaber said:
Regarding micing, either live, or in the studio - trust your ears! And if you don't trust your ears, find someone whose ears you trust. If it sounds good (in context), then it is good. Remember, we're playing an instrument, not trying to precisely reproduce a pre-recorded sound.

I agree that cabs with tweeters/midrange drivers/HF drivers are more difficult to mic if you want the mic to give you the full range sound and aren't also using a DI in parallel. Live, I wouldn't bother micing the SM/BB2/BT2, you're just going to end up hearing the sound of the mic more than the sound of the cab, and a DI will be much closer to the sound of the cab. In the studio, have fun with it - again, if it sounds good, it is good! If you have enough mics and channels I'd consider DIing, micing one woofer and one tweeter. And if you're isolated, try a room mic. A large diaphragm condenser at the player listening position in a good sounding room can be great with a tight precise accurate cab like a BB2.
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What's the frequency response of the 10" w/o the concentric dome mid, vs the driver WITH the concentric dome mid? Just curious.

As far as having mic'd the "wrong" 10" driver in my Two10 the first night of a 2-night session, but mic'ing the full range driver the 2nd night, I listened to playback of some tracks from both nights and there really isn't much difference. If, upon closer examination, there is a discernable difference, the DI blended will take care of that. There'll be a blend for most of the tracks anyway.
 

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