Official Barefaced Bass Cab Club

[smeet]

Thanks for the knowledge!

That said, at quieter volumes, I found a quickness/punch/feel in the SM that isn't there in the BB2. It was more of a response/feel thing than anything particularly different in the tone; almost like adding a transparent compressor. It is a subtle difference, not night and day. I do prefer the SM.

I can see that. I actually cut my lows a lot when using the BT2, and I probably will with the BB2 also. Since they go so low, the lows are still there, just attenuated. I find it makes the cabinet sound much more "alive". Are you able to get that quickness and punchiness in the BB2 using eq or HPF?

Obviously, the BB2 compression driver is superior to the SM tweeter, so if you play clean and bright, you'll get better quality and dispersion from the BB2, and the crossover will behave a little differently. Again, not night and day.

I like the clean and bright speaker to properly reproduce the fat tubeish sound from the amp. It seems to work in the mix.

 

[monsterthompson]

Thanks for the knowledge!


I can see that. I actually cut my lows a lot when using the BT2, and I probably will with the BB2 also. Since they go so low, the lows are still there, just attenuated. I find it makes the cabinet sound much more "alive". Are you able to get that quickness and punchiness in the BB2 using eq or HPF?

No problem. Just my experiences. YMMV.

I don't find I can get the same thing by pass filtering. I generally do that via a cab sim. I find a bit of resonance helps, but it never feels identical. Not a huge difference. Again, it is a feel thing that I prefer at lower practice volume. For anything loud, that is going to disappear and the BB2 is the way to go.

... I have my own home-brew ideas about why this difference is, but I'm sure it isn't anything meaningful to throw in the discussion, and I'll probably word it poorly, and it isn't really that consequential.

 

[grimmchaos]

I don't know how some of you guys do it.

I don't think of myself as a loud player, but I can't imagine a One10 (and probably not even a Two10) handling all my gigs. I often find out that there is no FOH support for bass, after I get to the venue. Sometimes I'm playing with a group where the BL wants the bass to be very dominant and keeps telling me to turn up. The Four10 can handle it, but with the big band, I don't know that the One10 would even be audible. And trumpets can't just turn down.

I have hopes that the BBII will handle almost any gig I have, but I much prefer to have too much firepower and not use it, to the alternative.

What are the differences between the SM and BBII? It looks like the BBII goes a bit deeper and has a nicer tweeter, but the weight difference is only 5 pounds. They use the same speaker, but the BBII can handle 200 more watts. What's the subjective difference when playing one vs the other?

Ya know, normally I'd agree with you on a Two10 not being enough, but I'm regularly surprised at how much volume that little cab can throw out. I mean, I shouldn't be since I have the Four10 as well and it is half of the Four10 and I know how loud that thing can get. It all depends on the room you are playing in and the context of the band. It would probably struggle competing with a pair of cranked 4x12s, but if they are at reasonable levels the Two10 would definitely hold its own. The Four10 kicks ass though and I'm still very thankful I decided to spend the money on the cab.

 

[Green1]

I don't know how some of you guys do it.

I don't think of myself as a loud player, but I can't imagine a One10 (and probably not even a Two10) handling all my gigs. I often find out that there is no FOH support for bass, after I get to the venue. Sometimes I'm playing with a group where the BL wants the bass to be very dominant and keeps telling me to turn up. The Four10 can handle it, but with the big band, I don't know that the One10 would even be audible. And trumpets can't just turn down.

I have hopes that the BBII will handle almost any gig I have, but I much prefer to have too much firepower and not use it, to the alternative.

What are the differences between the SM and BBII? It looks like the BBII goes a bit deeper and has a nicer tweeter, but the weight difference is only 5 pounds. They use the same speaker, but the BBII can handle 200 more watts. What's the subjective difference when playing one vs the other?

I'm with you. I could never imagine playing with anything less than a 410. I have a Big Twin coming soon that I am hoping covers the same ground and cuts the weight in half.

 

[friskinator]

Of course everyone's experience can vary, but I don't think you'll regret it (easy for me to say as I still have both). I find the Two10, so far, to be a great blend of portability and power. I can take it to any gig large or small and know it'll handle my business. The Two10 and SM are really a sweet spot.

The Two10's capability of handling any gig is exactly why I wanted it. I gigged my One10 alone with great success for a while, but I wanted something that would provide a little more when I needed it. And so far, it sounds great with my MB200.

 

[blastoff]

is there an option for removable casters on a four10?? or has anybody added them? not necessarily for moving the cab itself, more like the SVT i would like to put on it.

 

[grimmchaos]

is there an option for removable casters on a four10?? or has anybody added them? not necessarily for moving the cab itself, more like the SVT i would like to put on it.

@alexclaber has mentioned in the past that the wood is not thick enough to install casters on - if I remember correctly the 10's have ceramic magnets so the weight savings is in the cabinet itself. I ended up getting a Rock N Roller cart on sale to move all my stuff in one trip.

 

[ahc]

@blastoff You could build a dolly from a piece of scrap wood and the casters of your choice. As simple or as fancy as you want.

 

[Tim1]

is there an option for removable casters on a four10?? or has anybody added them? not necessarily for moving the cab itself, more like the SVT i would like to put on it.

I asked Alex and he advised strongly against installing castors on my Four 10, exactly as grimmchaos posted. As suggested above, I made a base with a similar footprint to the Four 10 and added castors to it. Works a treat for trucking in and out my Four 10 with a heavy tube amp sitting on top of it. I think I posted pics of it earlier in this thread.

 

[Tim1]

is there an option for removable casters on a four10?? or has anybody added them? not necessarily for moving the cab itself, more like the SVT i would like to put on it.

Here you are:

 

[edsand]

so I pretty much just use the pair of Two10s now

With what are you driving the pair of two10's?
Are they fixed or switchable (4 or 12 ohm) impedance?
I'm curious because I recently received a two10, but haven't committed to a head for it yet, and would like to plan ahead.
TY!

 

[Tim1]

With what are you driving the pair of two10's?
Are they fixed or switchable (4 or 12 ohm) impedance?
I'm curious because I recently received a two10, but haven't committed to a head for it yet, and would like to plan ahead.
TY!

I use my two x One 10 combo (+Tw0 10) and Four 10 with a Mesa Subway 800+ and couldn't be happier. It is only bettered by an all tube head which is a match in heaven IMO.

 

[mcnach]

With what are you driving the pair of two10's?
Are they fixed or switchable (4 or 12 ohm) impedance?
I'm curious because I recently received a two10, but haven't committed to a head for it yet, and would like to plan ahead.
TY!

I'm using the Mesa D800+, fixed 4ohm each.
I have used a MarkBass LMIII, wiring them in series so 8ohm. That sounded good but I much prefer the D800+.

 

[Mark Hughes]

I use my two x One 10 combo (+Tw0 10) and Four 10 with a Mesa Subway 800+ and couldn't be happier. It is only bettered by an all tube head which is a match in heaven IMO.

Hi Tim, how loud and versatile is the Four10? I have two One10s and love them, and they have covered my indoor gigs easily volume and tone-wise so far. I'm looking at a bigger cab for bigger gigs, a Six10 is probably over the top. Interested to know if a Four10 could cover a pretty large stage, festival type gig.

 

[monsterthompson]

Rehearsing today, using a PA that isn't my BB2 pair. I'm spoiled. I want my cabs.

 

[Tim1]

Hi Tim, how loud and versatile is the Four10? I have two One10s and love them, and they have covered my indoor gigs easily volume and tone-wise so far. I'm looking at a bigger cab for bigger gigs, a Six10 is probably over the top. Interested to know if a Four10 could cover a pretty large stage, festival type gig.

I have yet to feel that I have reached the Four 10s maximum output level, and we do play fairly loud. I tried it in our rehearsal space with my two One 10s linked together in series on top and I could not get loud enough to notice any real difference. I think a Four 10 would happily do large stages, with or without monitor support. Probably at a large outdoor gig without side fill the Six 10 would have the advantage of moving more air but honestly the Four 10 just seems to be like a bottomless glass - the gift that keeps on giving. The only downside is that it is so small and light that it is sometimes hard to get your head around the fact that it can do the same job for which I used to use an Ampeg 810. I do use the Four 10 with all tube heads 90% of the time. Those little ten inch drivers are just magic!

 

[Mark Hughes]

I have yet to feel that I have reached the Four 10s maximum output level, and we do play fairly loud. I tried it in our rehearsal space with my two One 10s linked together in series on top and I could not get loud enough to notice any real difference. I think a Four 10 would happily do large stages, with or without monitor support. Probably at a large outdoor gig without side fill the Six 10 would have the advantage of moving more air but honestly the Four 10 just seems to be like a bottomless glass - the gift that keeps on giving. The only downside is that it is so small and light that it is sometimes hard to get your head around the fact that it can do the same job for which I used to use an Ampeg 810. I do use the Four 10 with all tube heads 90% of the time. Those little ten inch drivers are just magic!

Thanks Tim.

 

[friskinator]

Thankfully my outdoor gig didn't get rained out last night, so I was able to try out my new Two10. We had PA for vocals/acoustic, but nothing else. Outdoor gigs can be notoriously tricky for sound, but I had no problem hearing myself! Volume on the MB200 never even made it halfway up. I did miss the one-hand carry of the One10 since load in was a bit tricky, but it's still super light for a 2x10. I'm happy.

 

[mmbongo]

I'm in the market for a good and light 1x10 and one of the things I've noticed on the Bareface is how much smaller the voice coil is compared to the TE Elf, apparently it has no impact on the sound, does it have a 300 watt rating ?

I think you're mistaking the voice coil for the dustcap. The driver that Peavey uses in the Trace Elf cab just has a big dustcap on the front.

 

[dave64o]

It's kind of mind boggling that an MB200 and a Two10 cna co

Thankfully my outdoor gig didn't get rained out last night, so I was able to try out my new Two10. We had PA for vocals/acoustic, but nothing else. Outdoor gigs can be notoriously tricky for sound, but I had no problem hearing myself! Volume on the MB200 never even made it halfway up. I did miss the one-hand carry of the One10 since load in was a bit tricky, but it's still super light for a 2x10. I'm happy.

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Based on their dimensions alone (well, and compared to my BB2's), I never thought the Two10's were that large of a cabinet. But, with an MB200 on top of it, I have to admit that it looks HUGE!