Official Barefaced Bass Cab Club

[SLPimp]

I got to play my One10 with the band finally. Genzler MG800 head.

My band mates couldn't believe it. They thought I was playing through the 410 in the space.

Brought it back home to use for home practice but I know it can hang.

 

[monsterthompson]

I have an Orange Terror Bass 500 (2019). Thinking of going toward a quilter though.

Do you use distortion? I found I didn't like the older Quilter BB800 with distortion and the BB2. The quilter compressed/muffled the treble, even with the compression drive of the BB2. I can't speak to the newer design. Also, IMHO.

 

[HotelX]

I've been outdoor gigging my broken horn BT with a reggae band lately and I find myself wondering if the Six 10 might be a better match for my needs. Just not getting the clean massive sound I want.

I've never heard any of the Barefaced 10s at all. I've always wanted to try the Six 10.

Any thoughts? Amp is a Mesa Subway.

 

[broncobenshea]

Do you use distortion? I found I didn't like the older Quilter BB800 with distortion and the BB2. The quilter compressed/muffled the treble, even with the compression drive of the BB2. I can't speak to the newer design. Also, IMHO.

Do you use distortion? I found I didn't like the older Quilter BB800 with distortion and the BB2. The quilter compressed/muffled the treble, even with the compression drive of the BB2. I can't speak to the newer design. Also, IMHO.

i won't get rid of the orange yet. I've never heard it through a FrFR before so I can def dial it in before moving to something else if it doesn't get me the sound i want. Thanks for your feedback

 

[mcnach]

Arrrrgh! I just don't need to see posts like this.

I absolutely love my BB2's but every time I play through my One10 it just sounds sooooooo good! I can't imagine actually replacing my Big Baby's, but I do sometimes wonder what a vertical pair of Two10's would sound like behind me.

ha ha

For what it's worth, I don't think the BB2 is a bad cab at all, in an ideal universe I would have BOTH the BB2 and the Two10 pairs

I just found that I get the sound I prefer more easily with the Two10. While both are very versatile, the Two10 has been more 'plug&play' for me. The BB2 seems to have more of everything, from huge lows to amazing highs and the horn works really well in that cab, but the coloration of the Two10 just works better for me, that's all

For years I was always trying to get cabs that would give me a wide range of frequencies on the basis that I can EQ something out if I don't want it, but you can EQ it in if the speaker cannot reproduce it effectively. Then one day I found that the TKS S112 cabs sounded amazing to my ears, and they roll off the treble around 6-7 KHz I think, much like the Two10... so I gave the Two10 a try (the TKS S112 is a beautiful sounding cab, small and light, but cannot handle a lot of power)... and I found my personal nirvana.

I hesitated trying the 10 series cabs because they initially were marketed as 'Retro' and I just thought it meant thud and thump and not much in terms of clarity on the upper registers... but boy was I wrong. I play all kinds through them... Lots of overdrive 'rawk' sounds on the RATM tribute band, but also a lot of funk including slap, and my main band which is ska/reggae/funk... I never found these cabs wanting. Strong lows but with great definition, they seem to make me sound better than I am

 

[mcnach]

I've been outdoor gigging my broken horn BT with a reggae band lately and I find myself wondering if the Six 10 might be a better match for my needs. Just not getting the clean massive sound I want.

I've never heard any of the Barefaced 10s at all. I've always wanted to try the Six 10.

Any thoughts? Amp is a Mesa Subway.

Reggae? You'll love the Six10.
I use a pair of Two10 playing a lot of ska and reggae and I find them very well suited. There is clarity if you want it, you can get a very nice Precision 'clang' if you want it for that ska/punk feel sometimes, but I find it easier to control than using the BB/BT series, and you get a beautiful tight low end very easily with minimum EQ tweaking (using a Mesa D800+ usually, but I've put all sorts of amplifiers through them). If you don't need that top end, well, that's easily taken away too. The low mids are beautiful, powerful and the Two10 cabs sound great... A Six10 would be my dream but I went for a pair of Two10 as it makes it easier to transport both for size and weight.

 

[dave64o]

ha ha

For what it's worth, I don't think the BB2 is a bad cab at all, in an ideal universe I would have BOTH the BB2 and the Two10 pairs

I just found that I get the sound I prefer more easily with the Two10. While both are very versatile, the Two10 has been more 'plug&play' for me. The BB2 seems to have more of everything, from huge lows to amazing highs and the horn works really well in that cab, but the coloration of the Two10 just works better for me, that's all

For years I was always trying to get cabs that would give me a wide range of frequencies on the basis that I can EQ something out if I don't want it, but you can EQ it in if the speaker cannot reproduce it effectively. Then one day I found that the TKS S112 cabs sounded amazing to my ears, and they roll off the treble around 6-7 KHz I think, much like the Two10... so I gave the Two10 a try (the TKS S112 is a beautiful sounding cab, small and light, but cannot handle a lot of power)... and I found my personal nirvana.

I hesitated trying the 10 series cabs because they initially were marketed as 'Retro' and I just thought it meant thud and thump and not much in terms of clarity on the upper registers... but boy was I wrong. I play all kinds through them... Lots of overdrive 'rawk' sounds on the RATM tribute band, but also a lot of funk including slap, and my main band which is ska/reggae/funk... I never found these cabs wanting. Strong lows but with great definition, they seem to make me sound better than I am

Acutally, it's more curiosity for me than anything. I'm extremely happy with my BB2s.

But I'll definfietly agree on having a pair of both!

 

[broncobenshea]

Acutally, it's more curiosity for me than anything. I'm extremely happy with my BB2s.

But I'll definfietly agree on having a pair of both!

I know that the 10's will always be solid and amazing. I'm really looking forward to hearing "my sound" though. I think it will mean a lot more practice time haha

 

[Plutonium244]

Hey all, I've not been on the Barefaced Club page in a while so I thought I'd drop by... many of the same solid citizens of bass are here, and new ones as well.

My first gig in nearly 9 months after a finger injury, then covid, will be May 21st. It almost feels like a "restart" so I find myself thinking about my gear - what do I want to use? Which bass? Amp? Cab? What am I going to trot out on the stage that first night? One thing I can say is that the cab will definitely be a Barefaced, the rest is open to discussion.

For this particular gig - which is my "regular" band's first one for me in 16 months- I am thinking Four10, b/c Two10 would be enough, but too much is how I'll roll first time out I think Nevertheless in the interest of fairness, I will drag out the Big Baby 2 and give it a fair audition! Almost all my playing at home has been through the One10 so I am attuned to that sound presently.

 

[Plutonium244]

Anyone tried the One10T?

Also, maybe I dreamed this - wasn't there some talk of a new 15" cabinet from Barefaced at some point?

 

[jazzyvee]

I've been outdoor gigging my broken horn BT with a reggae band lately and I find myself wondering if the Six 10 might be a better match for my needs. Just not getting the clean massive sound I want.

I've never heard any of the Barefaced 10s at all. I've always wanted to try the Six 10.

Any thoughts? Amp is a Mesa Subway.

I have been using my Big Twin II for about 2 1/2 years in reggae bands and both me and the band love the sound. I'm curious as to what you feel is lacking with the sound. I like the fact that the BTII just delivers whatever I put through it and sounds so clean. I have played guitar most of my music life so not had the opportunity to own any classic bass rigs and experience that sound which I think the 10" speaker based cabs are voiced for.

 

[HotelX]

I have been using my Big Twin II for about 2 1/2 years in reggae bands and both me and the band love the sound. I'm curious as to what you feel is lacking with the sound. I like the fact that the BTII just delivers whatever I put through it and sounds so clean. I have played guitar most of my music life so not had the opportunity to own any classic bass rigs and experience that sound which I think the 10" speaker based cabs are voiced for.

it is playing outside that is when I'm not getting the tone I want.

what kind of amp are you using?

EDIT: Indoors the BT absolutely slams in every situation I have so far encountered. But outside I'm just not getting the loud clean tone I want. I'm playing with no PA support at all.

Obviously this is due to the lack of boundary reinforcement. I'm not sure if any other cab would do much better in a similar situation.

 

[Peter]

I really like this Super Midget vs One 10 demo and sound comparison, especially because the Midget was done with tweeter on and off. I knew the One 10 has that vintage niche covered but was impressed how good the Midget sounded with that P-bass. I like the voicing of that 12" driver in the smaller Midget enclosure. The lows are a bit more focused and the mids are present and even; not boxy sounding. I can see how some players dig the One 10/Super Midget stack. They seem to work quite well together as long as the slightly lower power handling of the One Ten is kept in mind. This wouldn't seem to be much of a limitation though because the wide range of 800 watt heads available should be able to be driven to full power into this little stack and provide plenty of headroom - pretty impressive. The heads used do provide some nice coloration so I'd like to see Alex add this pair to his more controlled test rig which puts an uncolored signal to the drivers.


One other thing I'd like to know @alexclaber - if the 12" is a true 8 ohm driver while the 8 ohm "nominal" 10" driver is really closer to 6 ohms, what is the power distribution between these two when connected in parallel to an amp?

Also, the website specs for max output seem to overstate the 12" Midget at 127 dB and understate the One10 at 119 dB with the figures given. If the 12XN broadband sensitivity is 97 dB 1w/m and 600 watts provides 27.7 dB gain (600=2^9.23), then 97.0 + 27.7 = 124.7 dB max output (which is a match for the best 15" full range drivers).
Likewise, if the 10CR broadband sensitivity is 95 dB 1w/m and 500 watts provides 26.9 dB gain (500=2^8.97), then 95.0 + 26.9 = 121.9 dB max output. If the 10CR max power is only 250 watts then the 119 dB rating is correct. The Four 10 max power is given as 1000 watts or 250 per driver which makes sense. It matters to properly understand the limits (in addition to using your ears) to avoid accidentally smoking a driver. A safer combination to run for this voicing at higher volumes might be a Two 10 set to 12 ohms with the Super Midget. Am I missing something?
SUPER MIDGET

Thanks so much, Tyler, for doing the One10 vs Super Midget comparison for everyone. With good 'phones on it sounded just like my experience of trying this same comparison at home.

Without wishing to annoy the many One10 lovers on this forum I personally found the depth and punch of the SM much more satisfying than the slightly nasal pinched One10 tone and I agree that it was particularly pleasing for the P-Bass. My band all agreed with that and also that both Barefaced units were way better that the Peavy in the rehearsal room.

Also the power of the SM means that I can do a rehearsal with a full band without any difficulty whereas the One10 struggled to cope. 2 SMs cope with any live gig.

I tend to use the SM with the high frequency unit about half way up.

 

[chris_b]

. . . . . . I absolutely love my BB2's but every time I play through my One10 it just sounds sooooooo good! I can't imagine actually replacing my Big Baby's, but I do sometimes wonder what a vertical pair of Two10's would sound like behind me.

I had 2 Two10's and they were loud and sounded very good to me. I only ever stacked them horizontally, they were way loud enough to hear from around waist height. I really don't need that much volume pointed directly in my ear.

I compared them with my 2 SC's for several months. I had too many cabs and had to reduce the footprint around the house. I realised I was always gigging the SC's, so I sold the Two10's. The 2 SC's then became an SC and an SM. It just gets better!!

 

[Plutonium244]

Thanks so much, Tyler, for doing the One10 vs Super Midget comparison for everyone. With good 'phones on it sounded just like my experience of trying this same comparison at home.

Without wishing to annoy the many One10 lovers on this forum I personally found the depth and punch of the SM much more satisfying than the slightly nasal pinched One10 tone and I agree that it was particularly pleasing for the P-Bass. My band all agreed with that and also that both Barefaced units were way better that the Peavy in the rehearsal room.

Also the power of the SM means that I can do a rehearsal with a full band without any difficulty whereas the One10 struggled to cope. 2 SMs cope with any live gig.

I tend to use the SM with the high frequency unit about half way up.

I am a One10 lover but take no umbrage to your remarks.

One10 only comes out as a stand-alone for the smallest quietest gigs - a One10 cannot do duty with a full volume band, great cab but physics prevents this. It is perfect when that low volume is where it's at, b/c it just sounds good. I mainly use it at home, where it's great to have a brilliant-sounding cab that sounds much like you would at a gig. Mine is always set up, with a Trace Elliot ELF or GK MB200, in my den.

I also use the One10 as an add-on to the Two10S to make a Three10. I do not find all Barefaced 10 cabs to be nasally (nor the One10 except perhaps at high volume) - the size of the box affects that, and the Two10/Four10 boxes are bigger (obviously).

SM is also a great cabinet - and usually the one I take for my smaller non-in-your-face gigs (which is the vast majority for me). Like you I also have the horn at about 50%-60% mostly- the louder the volume the more "cut" I might add by upping the tweet. Since this tweet control is a crossover and not a volume-above-6k control, you don't lose the frequencies, origin and timbre is the only question. I agree two SMs would cover just about anything.

BB2 is next in the chain based in gig size; the bigger box vs. SM gives more liquid delicious low end. I really like this cab, but due to size SM gets the nod where the SM works. Finally, the BB2-SM stack for heavy-hitting. Also, the Four10 for "vintage" heavy hitting, and very rarely, Four10+Two10 for a Six10. I just don;t play the bombastic rock rock at large venues that I used to. But it's fun to hook up once in a while, it certainly looks damn cool.

The one thing I don't do that some like is combine 10's and 12's. Nothing wrong with it-- just not what I am going for. I feel I get the most cohesive sound by keeping them separate.

I repeat myself here sometimes with this analysis so apologies (though mercifully for you it's been a while...).. but one thing I love about having too many BF cabs is that the various combinations give so many modular options.. One10, Two10, Three10, Four10, Six10, SM, BB2, SM+BB2... tweet/no tweet.. literally any situtation can be covered with a well-tailored fit. I find myself going "hm, larger than a breadbox (One10) and smaller than a steamer chest (BB2)... it's an SM night".

 

[HotelX]

I am a One10 lover but take no umbrage to your remarks.

One10 only comes out as a stand-alone for the smallest quietest gigs - a One10 cannot do duty with a full volume band, great cab but physics prevents this. It is perfect when that low volume is where it's at, b/c it just sounds good. I mainly use it at home, where it's great to have a brilliant-sounding cab that sounds much like you would at a gig. Mine is always set up, with a Trace Elliot ELF or GK MB200, in my den.

I also use the One10 as an add-on to the Two10S to make a Three10. I do not find all Barefaced 10 cabs to be nasally (nor the One10 except perhaps at high volume) - the size of the box affects that, and the Two10/Four10 boxes are bigger (obviously).

SM is also a great cabinet - and usually the one I take for my smaller non-in-your-face gigs (which is the vast majority for me). Like you I also have the horn at about 50%-60% mostly- the louder the volume the more "cut" I might add by upping the tweet. Since this tweet control is a crossover and not a volume-above-6k control, you don't lose the frequencies, origin and timbre is the only question. I agree two SMs would cover just about anything.

BB2 is next in the chain based in gig size; the bigger box vs. SM gives more liquid delicious low end. I really like this cab, but due to size SM gets the nod where the SM works. Finally, the BB2-SM stack for heavy-hitting. Also, the Four10 for "vintage" heavy hitting, and very rarely, Four10+Two10 for a Six10. I just don;t play the bombastic rock rock at large venues that I used to. But it's fun to hook up once in a while, it certainly looks damn cool.

The one thing I don't do that some like is combine 10's and 12's. Nothing wrong with it-- just not what I am going for. I feel I get the most cohesive sound by keeping them separate.

I repeat myself here sometimes with this analysis so apologies (though mercifully for you it's been a while...).. but one thing I love about having too many BF cabs is that the various combinations give so many modular options.. One10, Two10, Three10, Four10, Six10, SM, BB2, SM+BB2... tweet/no tweet.. literally any situtation can be covered with a well-tailored fit. I find myself going "hm, larger than a breadbox (One10) and smaller than a steamer chest (BB2)... it's an SM night".

This makes me wonder if just simply adding my SC to my BT might be the solution to my outdoor gig problem.

 

[Plutonium244]

This makes me wonder if just simply adding my SC to my BT might be the solution to my outdoor gig problem.

Have you computed the combined ohm load? Does your amp go low, 2.7 etc? I haven't tried combining a two-driver cab with a one-driver cab (except Two10+ One10 which I can do with one amp I have that goes down to 2.7) but likely doable. I think you said you run a Mesa Subway amp, which IIRC goes down to 2.7... so run the numbers! In my humble experience, just additional cone surface is the only way to make up for the open-air flyaway... I was gong t (half) jokingly reply to your earlier post by facetiously suggesting you just need a second Big Twin

 

[HotelX]

Have you computed the combined ohm load? Does your amp go low, 2.7 etc? I haven't tried combining a two-driver cab with a one-driver cab (except Two10+ One10 which I can do with one amp I have that goes down to 2.7) but likely doable. I think you said you run a Mesa Subway amp, which IIRC goes down to 2.7... so run the numbers! In my humble experience, just additional cone surface is the only way to make up for the open-air flyaway... I was gong t (half) jokingly reply to your earlier post by facetiously suggesting you just need a second Big Twin

I just read the amp owners manual and it seems like 2.7 is ok.

Yeah I was thinking about another BT but I already have the SC and that might be the little extra I want.

The other option would be a Fender Rumble 410 and 115 that I already have but very rarely use anymore. I'd much rather stick to my Barefaced cabs if at all possible.

EDIT: The other thing that would be awesome is 3 two10s in red, gold, and green. I bet that would be a beautiful stack!

 

[Plutonium244]

I just read the amp owners manual and it seems like 2.7 is ok.

Yeah I was thinking about another BT but I already have the SC and that might be the little extra I want.

The other option would be a Fender Rumble 410 and 115 that I already have but very rarely use anymore. I'd much rather stick to my Barefaced cabs if at all possible.

EDIT: The other thing that would be awesome is 3 two10s in red, gold, and green. I bet that would be a beautiful stack!

I love the idea of the red gold and green set of Two10's for reggae and ska!

 

[mmbass21]

This makes me wonder if just simply adding my SC to my BT might be the solution to my outdoor gig problem.

From my experience with a BB2 it wasn't what I liked for outdoors. Indoors is where mine was at its best when I had it. The dispersion is something to behold in an indoor setting, I just couldn't get the sound I wanted with my WD800.

The Two10s for me has been perfect indoors or outdoors. Outdoors I add the One10 for a little more juice if I need it depending on PA support. IMO barefaced 12s being close to FRFR cabs needs the lower frequencies boosted outdoors depending on your playing style and music.